KatyPrismSpirit Posted July 7, 2022 Posted July 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: This is simply not true. You are being extremely reductive and only viewing Muslim people as Muslim and nothing else. because... thats literally what a muslim is. A muslim is someone that accepts Islam as their religion. That means you accept every part of Islam. You cant call yourself a muslim and think secularism is better than Islam cause this would make you a "kuffar" and insincere. And what I said is actually the truth. Polls show that over 90% of muslims in muslim majority countries like Iraq, Morocco and Afghanistan want to live in an Islamic Caliphate, which is a nation that implements Sharia'ah law from within the government and juridical system. lol
GraceRandolph Posted July 7, 2022 Posted July 7, 2022 1 minute ago, KatyPrismSpirit said: because... thats literally what a muslim is. A muslim is someone that accepts Islam as their religion. That means you accept every part of Islam. You cant call yourself a muslim and think secularism is better than Islam cause this would make you a "kuffar" and insincere. And what I said is actually the truth. Polls show that over 90% of muslims in muslim majority countries like Iraq, Morocco and Afghanistan want to live in an Islamic Caliphate, which is a nation that implements Sharia'ah law from within the government and juridical system. lol This is a no true Scotsman fallacy.
Cutthroat Posted July 7, 2022 Posted July 7, 2022 17 hours ago, Sazare said: She’s worse than Alyssa Milano At least Alyssa gave us Charmed first. What legacy has Bette left behind?
GraceRandolph Posted July 7, 2022 Posted July 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, Cutthroat said: At least Alyssa gave us Charmed first. What legacy has Bette left behind? Bette Midler has a much more impressive career than Alyssa Milano. Let’s not.
Cutthroat Posted July 7, 2022 Posted July 7, 2022 Just now, GraceRandolph said: Bette Midler has a much more impressive career than Alyssa Milano. Let’s not. The Power of Three outsold I fear.
KatyPrismSpirit Posted July 7, 2022 Posted July 7, 2022 1 minute ago, GraceRandolph said: This is a no true Scotsman fallacy. Its really not. Generally speaking most muslims do not seek a reform of Islam, most of those who pledge for a Islamic reform are a small minority group of muslims in the West. And what do you even seek from this conversation. I have explained to you many times that Islamically its false to believe that there is room for secularism in Islam. Islam encompasses every aspect of life and is a socio political concept. Secular law inherently contradict islamic law so the terminology "progressive muslim" doesnt exist. you are either muslim or not. The only divide that exists within Islam and muslims that is of scale are Shia muslims and Sunni muslims and they only have a few minor differences of opinion. They dont include secularism into their Islamic beliefs lol
Underdogs Posted July 7, 2022 Posted July 7, 2022 ATRL supporting Islamophobia, pretends to be shocked.
Communion Posted July 7, 2022 Posted July 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, KatyPrismSpirit said: because... thats literally what a muslim is. A muslim is someone that accepts Islam as their religion. That means you accept every part of Islam. You cant call yourself a muslim and think secularism is better than Islam cause this would make you a "kuffar" and insincere. And what I said is actually the truth. Polls show that over 90% of muslims in muslim majority countries like Iraq, Morocco and Afghanistan want to live in an Islamic Caliphate, which is a nation that implements Sharia'ah law from within the government and juridical system. lol Non-Muslims and Ex-Muslims in Islamic countries: *constantly make comparisons to Christianity and Judaism to highlight what they perceive as backwards and regressive contradictions within the tenets of Islam* People who suffer under Christofascism: *mind their business* vs Non-Christians and Ex-Christians in Christian countries: *make comparisons to Islam and Judaism to highlight what they perceive as backwards and regressive contradictions within the tenets of Christianity* People in this thread disingenuously leveraging their trauma: The idea that Muslims living in America can't discuss with other Americans how their religion is practiced in America and how Christofascism impacts their American lives because y'all see it as "a liberal defense of Islam" WHILE at the same time inherently defending Christianity by making the argument that Islam is a unique religious evil and no other religion, in your eyes, could ever be as regressive is so funny.
KatyPrismSpirit Posted July 7, 2022 Posted July 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, Communion said: The idea that Muslims living in America can't discuss with other Americans how their religion is practiced in America and how Christofascism impacts their American lives because y'all see it as "a liberal defense of Islam" WHILE at the same time inherently defending Christianity by making the argument that Islam is a unique religious evil and no other religion, in your eyes, could ever be as regressive is so funny. This is literally the worst argument i have ever read in my life. First of all: I have never called Islam a religious "evil" you perceiving it as evil is your problem i just stated some simple factual information about Islam that you could literally show a sheikh or Islamic imam for validation. Theres actually aspects of Islam i think are very great like Islamic Economics but that aside. Secondly: I just think its plausible liberals continuously defend Islam but attack christianity like it's nothing. You see protestors playing soccer with Bibles in front of the white house (which is infuriating btw) but no one would ever have the tendency to do this with a Quran. I guess the level of respect liberals have for Islam is just higher for some reason? maybe because muslims are more dedicated in their faith than any other religious group but that aside. I also never called Islam "regressive", nor did i defend Christianity... I really dont care about Christianity at all lol. Like you are literally putting words in my mouth.
Gorgeous Posted July 7, 2022 Posted July 7, 2022 Hey there pro-islam wokies Quote In Islam, and most religions, abortion is forbidden. Islam is considerably liberal concerning abortion, which is dependent on (i) the threat of harm to mothers, (ii) the status of the pregnancy before or after ensoulment (on the 120th day of gestation), and (iii) the presence of foetal anomalies that are incompatible with life So its not a ''my body my choice'' sort of decision that women get to make. It still baffles me when people try to paint islam as progressive and accepting. Also people shouting out islamophobia, when religions, specially this one, are the root of most homophobic believes around the world Islam is known to systematically take away women's freedoms, just bc they allow women to abort under determinate circumstances it doesn't mean that they are pro-choice. Her tweet is dumb, bc actually its christianity the religion that basically set the precedent for conservatism in western countries. But its also not nice that islamics get to promote their religion like this
Communion Posted July 7, 2022 Posted July 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, KatyPrismSpirit said: I just think its plausible liberals continuously defend Islam but attack christianity like it's nothing Is the US a Caliphate or a Christofascist theocracy? Quickly.
Gorgeous Posted July 7, 2022 Posted July 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, KatyPrismSpirit said: Secondly: I just think its plausible liberals continuously defend Islam but attack christianity like it's nothing. You see protestors playing soccer with Bibles in front of the white house (which is infuriating btw) but no one would ever have the tendency to do this with a Quran. I guess the level of respect liberals have for Islam is just higher for some reason? maybe because muslims are more dedicated in their faith than any other religious group but that aside. There's a wide branch of liberals who only believe that white people can be evil or toxic. They think that Islam is cool and exotic and that there is no way that it can be as bad as christian faith... when the truth is that religion as a whole is a vessel for conservatism, right wing values and fascism.
GraceRandolph Posted July 7, 2022 Posted July 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, Gorgeous said: Hey there pro-islam wokies So its not a ''my body my choice'' sort of decision that women get to make. It still baffles me when people try to paint islam as progressive and accepting. Also people shouting out islamophobia, when religions, specially this one, are the root of most homophobic believes around the world Islam is known to systematically take away women's freedoms, just bc they allow women to abort under determinate circumstances it doesn't mean that they are pro-choice. Her tweet is dumb, bc actually its christianity the religion that basically set the precedent for conservatism in western countries. But its also not nice that islamics get to promote their religion like this I don’t agree with Islam at all, and wouldn’t want to live under Sharia Law, but this panic over Islam is just whataboutism from people who can’t accept that their country is sliding into a Christofascist Theocracy, so they have to say Islam is worse.
KatyPrismSpirit Posted July 7, 2022 Posted July 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Communion said: Is the US a Caliphate or a Christofascist theocracy? Quickly. Liberals (especially in the age of social media) should feel open to having criticism on Islam is what im saying. Bette Midler is allowed to draw comparisons between Biblical Shari'ah law and Quranic Shari'ah law because some laws are in fact similar. However we constantly see liberals not speaking up against Islam and only attacking and cherry picking Christianity when thats not fair either. It doesnt make you racist or a bigot to have criticism on Islam or pointing them out when you are a liberal. But yes i agree, the context in this case was kind of far fetched in bette's case. although there are similarities
GraceRandolph Posted July 7, 2022 Posted July 7, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, Gorgeous said: There's a wide branch of liberals who only believe that white people can be evil or toxic. They think that Islam is cool and exotic and that there is no way that it can be as bad as christian faith... when the truth is that religion as a whole is a vessel for conservatism, right wing values and fascism. So you are just saying that you think Muslims are uniquely evil because they are brown now. Edited July 7, 2022 by GraceRandolph
Gorgeous Posted July 7, 2022 Posted July 7, 2022 Just now, GraceRandolph said: So you are just saying that you think Islam’s are uniquely evil because they are brown now. WHERE IN THE HELL DID I SAY THAT
KatyPrismSpirit Posted July 7, 2022 Posted July 7, 2022 1 minute ago, GraceRandolph said: So you are just saying that you think Muslims are uniquely evil because they are brown now. You literally just saying **** at this point
GraceRandolph Posted July 7, 2022 Posted July 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Gorgeous said: WHERE IN THE HELL DID I SAY THAT Go re-read your post. It’s exactly why people think Islamophobia is tied with racism.
Communion Posted July 7, 2022 Posted July 7, 2022 1 minute ago, KatyPrismSpirit said: Liberals (especially in the age of social media) should feel open to having criticism on Islam is what im saying. You're being obtuse, which only tells me as an atheist that your intentions in this is to run defense for Christianity. Answer the question - is the US an Islamic empire or a Christian theocracy? If Islam does not negatively impact anyone in the US, why are you then confused that there is little ire drawn towards it or anger aimed at it within the American context? You're pushing to frame the situation as though Americans are negatively impacted by Islam yet "don't feel open" to criticizing it, despite that premise being fundamentally false. "Muslim Americans' views do not represent the vast majority of Muslims in the world" is a nonsense statement because Muslim Americans are the only muslims relevant to the question of living within America and under US law because US law can - I thought this would be obvious - only be applied to those who live within the US. Why are you and others centering your feelings re: Islam into a conversation about Christianity's tyranny? I was told when this is done in reverse, it's a defense of Islam and apologia. Is this all Christian apologia?
Gorgeous Posted July 7, 2022 Posted July 7, 2022 7 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: Go re-read your post. It’s exactly why people think Islamophobia is tied with racism. You are the one who thinks that exotic equals to brown... I've never said that in my post. You should be banned for accusing people of racist and disrupting conversations like that.
GraceRandolph Posted July 7, 2022 Posted July 7, 2022 Just now, Gorgeous said: You are the one who thinks that exotic equals to brown... I've never said that in my post. You should be banned for accusing people of racist and disrupting conversations like that. Nah, you said liberals think only white people can be evil, implying Islam is a race, and made a fool out of yourself. It’s not racist to point out racism.
KatyPrismSpirit Posted July 7, 2022 Posted July 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, Communion said: 1) Answer the question - is the US an Islamic empire or a Christian theocracy? 2) If Islam does not negatively impact anyone in the US, why are you then confused that there is little ire drawn towards it or anger aimed at it within the American context? 1) its neither sis. its a liberal and capitalist democracy, and yes in a democracy there is room for religious law so this first question makes zero sense 2) Islam might not have a negative impact (in your pov lol) but people should be allowed to criticize it openly without being fearful or coming across "racist" or "islamophobic" is what im saying. For the rest i have no clue what you are talking about tbh. All i did was explain how abortion is unislamic, how liberals look hypocritical for only criticizing christianity and not islam and how secularism and Islam do not co-incide. where did i speak on American Muslims or US laws impacting American muslims..
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