discussion SIX countries poised for blackouts after Russia's ruble deadline passes

[Bosque]

On 6/29/2022 at 2:45 AM, ProudLBS said:

the reactors are old af cause they were planning on closing a lot of them (before Putin and the rampant inflation changed their mind)

 

also they tend to shut down the ones far from the coast during summer cause it’s hard to cool them (they do maintenance during summer as well cause the demand for electricity is lower)

 

Germany is risking blackouts in the winter.

Wait until it's winter and everyone in France turns on their nuclear-powered heaters

Edited July 1, 2022 by Dephira

[ProudLBS]

21 minutes ago, Dephira said:

Wait until it's winter and everyone in France turns on their nuclear-powered heaters

Like they do every year?

Don’t worry, they’ll keep exporting electricity to Germany as usual.

[Bosque]

10 minutes ago, ProudLBS said:

Like they do every year?

Don’t worry, they’ll keep exporting electricity to Germany as usual.

In the first half of this year [2021], Germany was a net exporter of electricity to:

 

• France, with 2.21 TWh

 

SMARD | The first half - Electricity generation and electricity trading in 2021

 

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it is unsurprising that electricity trade between Germany and its two selected neighbors during the winter 2021-2022 proceeded as follows: daily, Germany was almost continuously a net importer of power from Poland and a net exporter of power to France. It may also be noted that the volume of Germany’s exports to France was much larger than the volume of Germany’s imports from Poland. 

[ProudLBS]

23 minutes ago, Dephira said:

In the first half of this year [2021], Germany was a net exporter of electricity to:

 

• France, with 2.21 TWh

 

SMARD | The first half - Electricity generation and electricity trading in 2021

 

2021 and now Germany doesn’t have Russian gas to fall back on.

 

And btw Poland’s electricity comes from coal.

 

That same document states that renewables produce less than 50% of Germany’s electricity and that production from renewables was down by 12%. Not a good look for a country that supposedly cares so much about the environment.

Edited July 1, 2022 by ProudLBS

[Bosque]

11 minutes ago, ProudLBS said:

2021 and now Germany doesn’t have Russian gas to fall back on.

 

And btw Poland’s electricity comes from coal.

 

That same document states that renewables produce less than 50% of Germany’s electricity and that production from renewables was down by 12%. Not a good look for a country that supposedly cares so much about the environment.

So when did Germany import electricity from France? You said France would keep exporting electricity to Germany “as usual”. 
 

the chart I posted extends beyond the Russian invasion btw 

Edited July 1, 2022 by Dephira

[stevyy]

On 6/29/2022 at 2:45 AM, ProudLBS said:

 

 

Germany is risking blackouts in the winter.

lol and no. 

[frenchyisback]

Sadly, European leaders only have themselves to blame. They served their innocent citizens on a silver platter to Vladimir Putin.

This is what happens when you have pacifist leftist run your foreign policy for 2 generations.

Edited July 3, 2022 by frenchyisback

[John Slayne]

Britney's impact 

[John Slayne]

9 minutes ago, frenchyisback said:

Sadly, European leaders only have themselves to blame. They served their innocent citizens on a silver platter to Vladimir Putin.

This is what happens when you have pacifist leftist run your foreign policy for 2 generations.

most of Europe is not run by leftists 

[Communion]

17 minutes ago, frenchyisback said:

pacifist leftist

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Germany, Austria, Czechia, Hungary, Poland, and Slovakia

Edited July 3, 2022 by Communion

[John Slayne]

On 6/29/2022 at 8:57 AM, ProudLBS said:

What would they do when there’s no sun or wind?

baby how can you run out of sun or wind?  

 

y'all just type out anything in these political threads 

[ProudLBS]

1 minute ago, John Slayne said:

baby how can you run out of sun or wind?  

cloudy weather + no wind?

[John Slayne]

2 minutes ago, Communion said:

Austria, Czechia, and Slovakia don't have 'pacifist leftist' governments either

 

Germany has the Social Democratic Party in government now, but before that they had CDU for what, 16 years or so? which is a moderate right-wing party so that user just lied

[John Slayne]

1 minute ago, ProudLBS said:

cloudy weather + no wind?

solar panels and wind turbines generate electricity even when the weather conditions are not ideal

 

anyway there are areas where you can predict weather conditions reasonably well, European coasts and plains will never be without wind just like Mediterranean region will never be permanently cloudy 

[frenchyisback]

2 minutes ago, John Slayne said:

most of Europe is not run by leftists 

When compared to the rest of the countries/continents (Turkey, US, China, Saudi Arabia, South Korea...), Europe is run by pacifist vegan unicorns.

They consistently spend the less  per GDP of any country in the world on defense save maybe Latin American countries & thought wars were a thing of the past.

 

Even leaders from "right wing" parties like Merkel are infused by leftist pacifism with her delusional idea that trading with Russia would automatically make Putin more democratic.

 

The pacifist left had won the argument in Europe after WW2 ... until this year.  I am glad they are finally realizing the world has changed since WW2.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Communion]

5 minutes ago, John Slayne said:

Austria, Czechia, and Slovakia don't have 'pacifist leftist' governments either

 

Germany has the Social Democratic Party in government now, but before that they had CDU for what, 16 years or so? which is a moderate right-wing party so that user just lied

dddd I was lowkey too lazy to google those while at least Poland/Hungary can claim relevancy as far-right bigots

 

Sounds like the far-right's refusal to acknowledge climate change is happening has backfired 

I imagine his own views on climate change and clean energy is why he wants to divert away from that. 

Edited July 3, 2022 by Communion

[John Slayne]

3 minutes ago, frenchyisback said:

When compared to the rest of the countries/continents (Turkey, US, China, Saudi Arabia, South Korea...), Europe is run by pacifist vegan unicorns.

They consistently spend the less  per GDP of any country in the world on defense save maybe Latin American countries & thought wars were a thing of the past.

 

Even leaders from "right wing" parties like Merkel are infused by leftist pacifism with her delusional idea that trading with Russia would automatically make Putin more democratic.

 

The pacifist left had won the argument in Europe after WW2 ... until this year.  I am glad they are finally realizing the world has changed since WW2.

 

This fanfiction. European countries may be spending less % of GDP on defense, but in real numbers their spending it's higher than most of the world. The UK, Germany, and France spend collectively more money on defense than any country except for China and US while being significantly smaller in population. Individually, those three countries have similar military spending to Russia, so your point doesn't make sense. 

 

 

 

4 out of the top 8 countries who spend the most on military are European... so how exactly has the 'pacifist left' won in Europe? 

 

The idea that Merkel is infused with 'leftist pacifism' is laughable as well. EU wasn't trading with Russia because they thought it will make Putin more democratic, they did it because it was economically convenient. 

 

If anything, wasn't it the US pushing for closer political ties with Russia? Madeleine Albright famously had an ambition to include Russia in NATO... Leftists haven't been in power in most of Europe for over 30 years. So no, this situation is not their fault. This falls squarely on conservatives, liberals, and fascists who have been running most of the continent for the last three decades.

[ProudLBS]

Just now, John Slayne said:

solar panels and wind turbines generate electricity even when the weather conditions are not ideal

 

anyway there are areas where you can predict weather conditions reasonably well, European coasts and plains will never be without wind just like Mediterranean region will never be permanently cloudy 

in ideal conditions solar panels are only ~20% efficient   

 

if weather conditions are so predictable, I wonder why Germany was so willing to throw Ukraine under the bus for Russian gas?

[John Slayne]

2 minutes ago, ProudLBS said:

in ideal conditions solar panels are only ~20% efficient   

compared to what? 

 

3 minutes ago, ProudLBS said:

if weather conditions are so predictable, I wonder why Germany was so willing to throw Ukraine under the bus for Russian gas?

because short-term it's cheaper and more convenient to keep buying Russian gas than to invest in renewables and completely overhaul your energy policy.

[Bosque]

4 minutes ago, ProudLBS said:

in ideal conditions solar panels are only ~20% efficient   

 

if weather conditions are so predictable, I wonder why Germany was so willing to throw Ukraine under the bus for Russian gas?

Yes, Germany, and only Germany

 

[beautiful player]

This is good news. Should they rather be unpoised?

[frenchyisback]

44 minutes ago, John Slayne said:

This fanfiction. European countries may be spending less % of GDP on defense, but in real numbers their spending it's higher than most of the world. The UK, Germany, and France spend collectively more money on defense than any country except for China and US while being significantly smaller in population. Individually, those three countries have similar military spending to Russia, so your point doesn't make sense. 

 

 

 

4 out of the top 8 countries who spend the most on military are European... so how exactly has the 'pacifist left' won in Europe? 

 

The idea that Merkel is infused with 'leftist pacifism' is laughable as well. EU wasn't trading with Russia because they thought it will make Putin more democratic, they did it because it was economically convenient. 

 

If anything, wasn't it the US pushing for closer political ties with Russia? Madeleine Albright famously had an ambition to include Russia in NATO... Leftists haven't been in power in most of Europe for over 30 years. So no, this situation is not their fault. This falls squarely on conservatives, liberals, and fascists who have been running most of the continent for the last three decades.

How is what you're saying different from what I said.

I said they spend less per GDP ratio which is the benchmark everybody else use to measure appropriate defense spending including NATO 

 

Imagine bragging about countries with European economies' 3* the size of Russia's spending less than Russia on defense 

 

Fan fiction when European leaders themselves admit having been naïve and calling for a stop to it?

They  have suddenly discovered the need to re-arm and rushing to raise their defense budgets. #BetterLateThanNever

 

 

 

Edited July 3, 2022 by frenchyisback

[ProudLBS]

30 minutes ago, John Slayne said:

compared to what? 

With the sun shinning and not a single cloud in sight solar panels are ~20% efficient.

 

With cloudy weather (like most days in northern Europe) their efficiency is down to 5% or less.

 

If for every panel you need 3 extra just in case 

 

29 minutes ago, Dephira said:

Yes, Germany, and only Germany

Not only Germany, but they were appeasing to Putin while tiny Estonia with Russia at their doorstep was running GoFundMe campaigns to buy drones for Ukraine.

 

Also, Germany was the one lecturing the entire world on the wonders of spending half a trillion on renewables while back home they were closing nuclear power plants and re-opening coal power plants which is like the dirtiest source of energy ever, even the Chinese of all people want to close theirs.

Edited July 3, 2022 by ProudLBS

[John Slayne]

12 minutes ago, frenchyisback said:

How is what you're saying different from what I said.

I said they spend less per GDP ratio which is the benchmark everybody else use to measure appropriate defense spending including NATO 

 

Fan fiction when European leaders themselves admit having been naïve and calling for a stop to it?

They  have suddenly discovered the need to re-arm and rushing to raise their defense budgets. #BetterLateThanNever

 

 

 

It's absolutely not the benchmark 'everybody uses', it's just one way of measuring spending, that's it. What NATO considers 'appropriate' is not objectively correct or objectively 'appropriate', it's what NATO considers as such. The EU has collectively easily one of the strongest armies, Putin is struggling to take over Ukraine and couldn't even get Kyiv, there's no way he could challenge the entire EU.

 

Increasing military spending is something right-wing politicians always do, maybe they were hesitant because it's unpopular amongst their people but the war gave them a convenient excuse to go through with it. The real naivety was not investing in sustainable energy and having to rely on Putin's gas, which is something that military spending can't fix.

 

Anyway your original point was that this situation is the result of 'leftist pacifist' governments, which is factually incorrect. European leaders admitting they need to increase military spending is exactly proof that they are right-wing, actual leftist don't consider that necessary at the moment. It's far more important to invest into energy to make Europe energetically self-sufficient, like what are they gonna do with all those weapons, invade Russia for gas? As if.

[John Slayne]

14 minutes ago, ProudLBS said:

With the sun shinning and not a single cloud in sight solar panels are ~20% efficient.

 

With cloudy weather (like most days in northern Europe) their efficiency is down to 5% or less.

 

If for every panel you need 3 extra just in case 

but what are you measuring that efficiency against? 20% efficient to do what? i don't understand