State of Grace. Posted May 31, 2022 Posted May 31, 2022 Just now, Chris said: Then who is then? Nicki and Camila, rightfully
Chris Posted May 31, 2022 Posted May 31, 2022 2 hours ago, Planet Mars said: Enviable work ethic, master marketer and self promoter, bold and pioneering, calculated. She's also a try-hard Not you dragging her in the end of these statements.
Chris Posted May 31, 2022 Posted May 31, 2022 1 hour ago, State of Grace. said: Plus, several M stans here make it hard to root for ha so I guess that's why As if the Swifties or Monsters are better when they do the same things.
State of Grace. Posted May 31, 2022 Posted May 31, 2022 40 minutes ago, Chris said: As if the Swifties or Monsters are better when they do the same things. Did I say otherwise
Chris Posted May 31, 2022 Posted May 31, 2022 1 minute ago, State of Grace. said: Did I say otherwise Yeah you did.
Shady Posted May 31, 2022 Posted May 31, 2022 If I had been a teen in the 80s, I would have loved her. She’s an okay artist as a whole but so many artists since her debut have done what she’s done but way better. She hasn’t released a good album since the 00s. She’s also one of the cringiest arrists ever ever since 2008.
RihFenty20 Posted May 31, 2022 Posted May 31, 2022 Rihanna's Mother. The Queen. I love and respect her for breaking down so many barriers and taking the bullets so newer acts don't have to fit into a mold. Without her I wouldn't have my fav, so I'll always show her love and stream her amazing discography. Gen Z needs to wake up and get into the legend while she's still here.
Oktober Knight Posted May 31, 2022 Author Posted May 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Shady said: If I had been a teen in the 80s, I would have loved her. She’s an okay artist as a whole but so many artists since her debut have done what she’s done but way better. She hasn’t released a good album since the 00s. She’s also one of the cringiest arrists ever ever since 2008. But how many artists have been as successful as her 25 years after their debut? Cause in 2008 Madonna was still on top 25 years later. No need to point out the mess afterwards (even thought she had hot 100 hit in her 50s and several dance #1s since).
tiagol88 Posted June 1, 2022 Posted June 1, 2022 12 minutes ago, Oktober Knight said: But how many artists have been as successful as her 25 years after their debut? Cause in 2008 Madonna was still on top 25 years later. No need to point out the mess afterwards (even thought she had hot 100 hit in her 50s and several dance #1s since). No need to bring down her career after 50 honestly. I am not really seeing Jlo, Gwen, Cher, Tina Turner etc having all of the next: multiple #1 albums, grossing 300M with stadium tours, having top 10 hits, being creative instead of playing it safe during that decade in their lives. No, Madonna isn't "on top" since she turned 50 but no other woman managed be more successful than her during their 50s in history so far.
Jay07 Posted June 1, 2022 Posted June 1, 2022 It's not really about being on top, everyone falls off eventually, even Madonna. The thing is that she always seemed so confident and so smart and knew exactly what the next step should be and she's seemed a bit... lost for the past decade or so. It's weird to see her act a fool on socials when she always seemed above that in the past. OT: she's the blueprint. The first female pop superstar and she's yet to be surpassed. Her legacy will always remain no matter what.
OreGuy Posted June 1, 2022 Posted June 1, 2022 a pop staple that ruins her legacy every time she gets
Rican Posted June 1, 2022 Posted June 1, 2022 A former pioneer of pop music. Society today views her as a has been, a joke, not a living legend and an embarrassment. Can she turn it around? Absolutely!
dabunique Posted June 1, 2022 Posted June 1, 2022 22 minutes ago, Rican said: A former pioneer of pop music. Society today views her as a has been, a joke, not a living legend and an embarrassment. Can she turn it around? Absolutely! i think u have ATRL and Twitter confused with society
spree Posted June 1, 2022 Posted June 1, 2022 7 hours ago, nsst said: I only know one song of hers Don't Cry For Me Argentina?
EnigmaticAndroid Posted June 1, 2022 Posted June 1, 2022 2 hours ago, Oktober Knight said: But how many artists have been as successful as her 25 years after their debut? Cause in 2008 Madonna was still on top 25 years later. No need to point out the mess afterwards (even thought she had hot 100 hit in her 50s and several dance #1s since). That's nice, but two things can be true at once. The longevity Madge has had is commendable AND she has released many less than stellar albums on the back portion of her career.
Oktober Knight Posted June 1, 2022 Author Posted June 1, 2022 1 hour ago, EnigmaticAndroid said: That's nice, but two things can be true at once. The longevity Madge has had is commendable AND she has released many less than stellar albums on the back portion of her career. Not necessarily. Some may argue that Erotica and Bedtime Stories were a decline but it's a fact that they still sold well and had several hits and she came back stronger than ever in 1998 after the world thought she was over. Not sure what you tried to do there.
EnigmaticAndroid Posted June 1, 2022 Posted June 1, 2022 10 minutes ago, Oktober Knight said: Not necessarily. Some may argue that Erotica and Bedtime Stories were a decline but it's a fact that they still sold well and had several hits and she came back stronger than ever in 1998 after the world thought she was over. Not sure what you tried to do there. Not much It's no secret that a lot of her recent albums (Hard Candy, Rebel Heart, Madame X, etc.) are seen as less than stellar. I'm talking about them purely from an artistic/critical standpoint.
Oktober Knight Posted June 1, 2022 Author Posted June 1, 2022 Just now, EnigmaticAndroid said: Not much It's no secret that a lot of her recent albums (Hard Candy, Rebel Heart, Madame X, etc.) are seen as less than stellar. I'm talking about them purely from an artistic/critical standpoint. I guess you forgot the part where I said 25 years into her career. Nobody said anything about her last 3 albums.
bestfiction Posted June 1, 2022 Posted June 1, 2022 (edited) Notice how no one ever talks about fillers and duds in other legends' discographies. Almost as if the argument "Madonna hasn't had a good album since [insert data here]" is used to invalidate her artistic accomplishments prior to that Edited June 1, 2022 by bestfiction
wanderlust Posted June 1, 2022 Posted June 1, 2022 9 hours ago, Shady said: If I had been a teen in the 80s, I would have loved her. She’s an okay artist as a whole but so many artists since her debut have done what she’s done but way better. She hasn’t released a good album since the 00s. She’s also one of the cringiest arrists ever ever since 2008. like who? the only ones in her league are artists like bowie, elton, michael (and even that's stretching it). no way any of the pop artists today are creating anything even close to the brilliance of live to tell, like a prayer, frozen, ray of light, .. and that's not just the music, it's the videos and interviews, albums, tours altogether.
sugarysunflower Posted June 1, 2022 Posted June 1, 2022 13 hours ago, Lady Claire said: She's very good at marketing. She's not a great singer, dancer or songwriter (she does these things decently though), however, she knew how to work on her brand and knew exactly what would sell and what wouldn't. She had charisma and a unique personality, an X-Factor that lacks on many other singers that were/are more talented than her. Madonna is also very creative but seems to have lost her touch since 2008 when instead of creating trends, started to chasing them. I don't blame her due to ageism and how the market have changed. Things weren't the same as years/decades ago. And of course, her latest attempts at "controversies" were cringy and messy, she doesn't know how to do it anymore and ends up looking like a fool... but i don't think that's enough to ruin her legacy though. She's just not respected as her other peers due to that, but everyone is aware of her impact on the industry and when she's gone she'll always be remembered as a legend. I would disagree on these points. She was a professional dancer prior to gaining her contract with Sire Records, and has eclectic performances/music videos on physical movement art over the years - it's not on a MJ/JJ level, but it was still entertaining and contains some challenging elements to the untrained eye. It's a bit more stiff naturally due to aging now. Plus numerous producers over the years have praised her on her lyrics and arrangement skills. That ties into the last point. She would tend to work with 1 or 2 major producers an album, but Hard Candy she dropped the ball and the rest thereafter Interscope didn't let her have anywhere as much creative freedom as Warner/Sire. It's a bit obvious that at the point the label starts being more controlling of her, the quality dimmed.
Jay07 Posted June 1, 2022 Posted June 1, 2022 People do too much on Hard Candy, it's a cute album. The real decline started with MDNA
Solaria Posted June 1, 2022 Posted June 1, 2022 (edited) There is no woman like Madonna. What I love most about her is that she spent most of her life rebelling against things people deemed normal. She always asked questions, didn’t take things for face value, and it reflects in her art. She has always been ahead of her time and I wish more people would realize that instead of contiously focusing on the sometimes odd choices she makes in her present day life. She did more for the culture than any male artist ever did. She has inspired countless artists and all of the MPGs owe some aspect of their career, whether its the art of business, the art of touring, visual aspect, etc. to her. Even in the far future when she is not around anymore, every single trace of pop culture can be traced back to her somehow. A legend with undeniable impact on pop culture Edited June 1, 2022 by pieceofgök
OnlyRealMusic. Posted June 1, 2022 Posted June 1, 2022 (edited) Her work ethic, vision and relentlessness are unmatched. One of the templates for all the pop girls that followed. And she knows how to make a good album (it's not so easy) Edited June 1, 2022 by OnlyRealMusic.
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