discussion Buffy the Vampire Slayer + Angel (aka Buffyverse)

[SinnerCity]

If anyone here is a tarot reader like myself and a Buffy fan, well, look what I came across

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Based on the Rider Waite tarot, we've got our very own Buffy tarot deck.

[Kevin2803]

17 hours ago, fridayteenage said:

some people argue this was done via character assassination of her best friends in order to feed the spuffy ship...

Buffy's friends had problematic moments way before Spike's character development, especially Xander.

[fridayteenage]

people generally agree they cliffdived during season 6 when spike became buffy's obsession - willow with her whole magic addiction + murder, xander with the wedding dump.

[rcksluke]

Angelus is so mean. 
My poor baby Buffy! (Watching 2x14 rn)

[sunbathinganimal]

just finished S2 

[livelikemusic]

1 hour ago, sunbathinganimal said:

just finished S2 

Once again, are you okay?

[Buffy]

It’s really a shame Eliza Dushku turned down the Faith the Vampire Slayer series. It would’ve been so awesome….

[Josh]

7 minutes ago, Buffy said:

It’s really a shame Eliza Dushku turned down the Faith the Vampire Slayer series. It would’ve been so awesome….

according to her at a convention she was never spoken to about the spin-off

 

 

 

[Gorjesspazze9]

A Faith series could have been even better than Angel. Whereas Buffy was mainly about Highschool Metaphors with Demons. Angel for the workforce & Supernatural. Faith Could have been a more humane series about Faith’s redemption. Like start season 1 with her in prison during the Angel timeline, and have a her post season 7 Buffy self traveling around L.A slaying Vamps and Demons as a form of redemption. Similar to Angel I guess, but not as boring since she is actually badass and fun

[Buffy]

3 minutes ago, Josh said:

according to her at a convention she was never spoken to about the spin-off

 

 

 

Hmm. It seems like she didn’t have much faith in a spin off to begin with. 
 

I can see her hesitation but her character was very beloved by many fans, if not the entire fandom. She would’ve amassed a huge following. Tru Calling was a disaster. Her character in Buffy was already well known. She wouldn’t have needed to start from scratch. She followed the Wrong Calling. 

[Josh]

28 minutes ago, Buffy said:

Hmm. It seems like she didn’t have much faith in a spin off to begin with. 
 

I can see her hesitation but her character was very beloved by many fans, if not the entire fandom. She would’ve amassed a huge following. Tru Calling was a disaster. Her character in Buffy was already well known. She wouldn’t have needed to start from scratch. She followed the Wrong Calling. 

but she chose that god awful show Tru Calling? I think she was afraid of always being compared to Buffy and Angel. Like we already had a spin-off show about redemption "ANGEL" what would Faith's spin-off be about? She should have joined Angel s5

Edited December 7, 2022 by Josh

[fridayteenage]

5 hours ago, sunbathinganimal said:

just finished S2 

sarah mclachlan destroys me in that last scene

 

[sunbathinganimal]

very curious to see what happens with Angel since I know he gets his own show 

[sunbathinganimal]

Even if Buffy hadn't had to kill him to save the world too much had happened for them to go back to the way things were 

Edited December 7, 2022 by sunbathinganimal

[sunbathinganimal]

just started S3 and did they up the budget? looks different. more cinematic or something 

[sunbathinganimal]

ok that episode was rough

[StarsAllAligned]

On 12/6/2022 at 9:27 PM, Buffy said:

It’s really a shame Eliza Dushku turned down the Faith the Vampire Slayer series. It would’ve been so awesome….

Was just watching her and miss Glory’s Bring It On earlier, she really was that girl  if only

[Godly]

On 11/26/2022 at 7:51 AM, rcksluke said:

What's the best season in y'alls opinion?

S2 has the best arc in the whole show (Angelus)

S3 is the most consistent (least amount of fillers/bad episodes)

S5 is the most epic and feels like the peak of the show in every way + it has 3 episodes that would probably be in my overall Top 5

S6 is flawed and very polarizing but the handling of depression and self-loathing is so well done and emotionally resonating that it makes up for it

 

So overall I'd go with S5 but you could make arguments for all of these IMO. And I'll also say S4 is underrated and a lot of fun on rewatches since it's a lighter, transitional season with several great standalone episodes

[Buffy]

2 hours ago, Godly said:

S2 has the best arc in the whole show (Angelus)

S3 is the most consistent (least amount of fillers/bad episodes)

S5 is the most epic and feels like the peak of the show in every way + it has 3 episodes that would probably be in my overall Top 5

S6 is flawed and very polarizing but the handling of depression and self-loathing is so well done and emotionally resonating that it makes up for it

 

So overall I'd go with S5 but you could make arguments for all of these IMO. And I'll also say S4 is underrated and a lot of fun on rewatches since it's a lighter, transitional season with several great standalone episodes

Your analysis is pretty spot on. I don’t really have any disagreements with your post. Season 5 is probably my favorite arc though. I just love how spiritual it is…. The key, Glory, etc. Very cool to see Buffy take on a deity. I never realized how strong she was until she went up against a god.

[Godly]

5 hours ago, Buffy said:

Your analysis is pretty spot on. I don’t really have any disagreements with your post. Season 5 is probably my favorite arc though. I just love how spiritual it is…. The key, Glory, etc. Very cool to see Buffy take on a deity. I never realized how strong she was until she went up against a god.

Yeah even as I was watching for the first time I remember thinking no way they could've topped that in terms of scope, which retrospectively made me like S6 even more since the writers proved they were aware of it and essentially made a U-turn by going from the most to the least threatening villain(s) in the show and from the most whimsical to the most grounded season

[sunbathinganimal]

just watched the first episode with Faith 

[fridayteenage]

i like following along with this blog as i do another rewatch. it keeps track of what % of lines is given to every main character in every episode:

https://gabrielleabelle.livejournal.com/308415.html

most dominant episodes for each character:

 

buffy freshman 39%

how to kill a boy on the first date 36

no place like home 35

as you were 35

welcome to the hellmouth 34

something blue 34 [hmm, feels random. these aren't really her best acting showcases.] 

 

willow doppelgangland 40%

wild at heart 26

wrecked 26

killer in me 26

tough love 24

grave 24 [not surprisingly, both willow and xander's top eps are the ones where there's two of them running around. Willow's actually beats Buffy's top episode. 5 different seasons represented.]

 

xander replacement 36%

zeppo 32

bewitched bothered bewildered 28

beer bad 23

bargaining ii 22 [5 different seasons.]

 

spike fool for love 33%

crush 29

sleeper 24

lies my parents told me 23

beneath you 22 [very season 7 centric.] 

 

dawn forever 24%

blood ties 22

potential 22

him 22

lessons 19 [very s7 first half centric, before they forgot about her in favor of kennedy.]

 

giles a new man 25%

dark age 24

lies my parents told me 19

how to kill a boy on the first date 18

i robot you jane 18

helpless 18 [Show could've used a few more Giles heavy eps imo. A New Man is...fine. Fewer 20+%s than spike/dawn/riley/faith/anya.]

 

riley initiative 24

as you were 22

doomed 21

into the woods 20

goodbye iowa 18

 

faith who are you 27

consequences 23

enemies 20

dirty girls 20

bad girls 17

touched 17 [s3-heavy given that was her only regular season. When she did get focus she got a lot of it.] 

 

anya selfless 23%

entropy 22

triangle 21

hell's bells 16

same time same place 16 [well, selfless is her best episode.] 

 

angel amends 19%

enemies 19

becoming one 18

prom 16

angel 15

surprise 15 [very s3-heavy. Not a single 20%, surprisingly, not even his flashback eps.]

 

cordelia out of mind out of sight 21%

homecoming 17

the wish 15

bewitched bothered bewildered 13

killed by death 12 [Out of Mind was probably when the show first started towards humanizing her.]

 

tara family 16%

after life 14

once more with feeling 13

bargaining ii 12

new moon rising 11

bargaining i 11 [Willow's partners having the fewest eps at double digit %s. Mostly S6 here.]

 

oz wild at heart 29%

new moon rising 14

fear itself 11

phases 11

beauty and the beasts 10 [Only two particularly substantial eps; his sendoff and his quick return. Mostly S4 here.] 

[livelikemusic]

10 hours ago, sunbathinganimal said:

just watched the first episode with Faith 

Haha. Surprise!

[Guest]

On 5/29/2022 at 9:47 PM, Power love said:

 

And the WB for canceling Angel when the rating was begging for a 6th season.

SPILLLLLL

[sunbathinganimal]

ugh Xander sucks