GhostBox Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 (edited) Honestly there’s no use in putting forth bills to be voted on that aren’t going to pass. Everyone here would just complain they didn’t pass it (knowing it needs 60 votes to pass). But also wanna complain he isn’t bring them up to fail anyway ? We need more pro gun restriction senators to win. And thankfully we have a lot of potential senators running this year that would be just that. best way to make Manchin irrelevant is to make his opinion not carry any weight anymore. Edited May 25, 2022 by GhostBox
GhostBox Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 9 minutes ago, ELT said: Um- did yall just see Beto go off at Abbott It was great! It’s a exactly what the Dems need to start doing. No more we go high when they go low.
ELT Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, GhostBox said: It was great! It’s a exactly what the Dems need to start doing. No more we go high when they go low. I agree, no more playing nice.
yourfaveisaflop Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 This is so sad it hit close to home. The fact that I’m studying to become a teacher makes me emotional.
GhostBox Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, ELT said: I agree, no more playing nice. Yup. It’s why the republicans are so good at messaging. They hold no punches.
BeenTheShit Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 39 minutes ago, ELT said: Um- did yall just see Beto go off at Abbott Just watched and I couldn't believe that law enforcement officer who started screaming at him and calling him "a sick son of a *****" and saying he was "nothing." Can you say unhinged? Fire that POS Officer immediately. You can tell he's a dirty cop for sure.
BeenTheShit Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 Conservatives like Rep. Paul Gosar and Candance Owens are putting out a narrative now that the shooter was "transsexual" and that is what drove him to do this.
Vermillion Posted May 25, 2022 Author Posted May 25, 2022 1 minute ago, BeenTheShit said: Conservatives like Rep. Paul Gosar and Candance Owens are putting out a narrative now that the shooter was "transsexual" and that is what drove him to do this.
BeenTheShit Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 1 minute ago, Espresso said: I know it's false but you know conservatives and Fox News are still going to run with it to push anti LGBTQ+ legislation.
EriKills Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 This is so devastating, rip to these poor innocent lives. The fact it’s only a matter of time before yet another mass shooting and we go through this again. Like wtf why are politicians so goddamn USELESS.
gagacasanova Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 This honestly breaks my heart to see and hear about this. These parents will never get to see their child grow up, graduate and start a life of their own. These kids were just babies, just starting out. Politicians will just give us lip service but will never do anything about it.
BlackStar_93 Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 My heart aches so much for these innocent people that needlessly lost their lives, as well as their bereaved families and friends. I can't even begin to imagine the pain of those parents/caregivers who lost innocent little children in this tragedy; children who were yet to live their lives and do amazing things. It makes me physically sick to the pit of my stomach that despite this tragedy and the many that came before it, many republicans simply turn a blind eye to gun control and refuse to believe there's a correlation between their "right to bear arms" and gun violence.
Vermillion Posted May 25, 2022 Author Posted May 25, 2022 ///Cross U.S. politics post/// The press conference crashing is getting all the attention as opposed to the comments immediately outside of it to the awaiting press. They were going to accuse him of being a diva and political regardless of this Hail Mary (even with the gall to still go to their NRA convention) and he's going to lose the statewide race anyways so I'm not against this. Worth a watch, imho.
Hallad173 Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 20 hours ago, Chris said: Does it really matter what race the shooter is? Innocent children have been killed and you guys care what the Conservatives think. This is a foolish take.
Beyonnaise Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 The smartest thing Trump ever said was when he called them the “Do Nothing Dems”
ClashAndBurn Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 Beto's grandstanding really only makes sense if you believe he knows and accepts that he's going to lose to Abbott and that it won't even be close. So might as well go all-out with what you believe. Any other explanation seems foolish, considering he's running for governor. Between Beto "Hell yes we're taking your guns" O'Rourke and Stacey "Georgia is the worst state to live in" Abrams, it's pretty ghastly that these are supposedly the best politicians the Democratic Party has to offer in a Red Tsunami year.
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted May 25, 2022 ATRL Moderator Posted May 25, 2022 18 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: Beto's grandstanding really only makes sense if you believe he knows and accepts that he's going to lose to Abbott and that it won't even be close. So might as well go all-out with what you believe. Any other explanation seems foolish, considering he's running for governor. Between Beto "Hell yes we're taking your guns" O'Rourke and Stacey "Georgia is the worst state to live in" Abrams, it's pretty ghastly that these are supposedly the best politicians the Democratic Party has to offer in a Red Tsunami year. Ehh I disagree about Beto. You're not going to win in Texas as a Democrat running as Republican-lite. The Republican is right there. I'm not an expert to the pulse of Texan culture at the moment. But I think children being murdered again after the countless shootings that have happened, let alone all the shootings that have happened in Texas, can draw in voters that usually feel like it's not worth going to the polls out of pessimism. Beto is making the right play. If he were coy on the issue and stood still, it would hurt his chances even worse. Don't get me wrong, his chances are slim. But, he wouldn't be helped by being a lightweight on a shooting that happened in his own state. People are angry and he's doing a good job of making people feel seen. His chances are slim still (which is all the more reason to go all out). But I don't think this hurts him per se.
ClashAndBurn Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, Bloo said: Ehh I disagree about Beto. You're not going to win in Texas as a Democrat running as Republican-lite. The Republican is right there. I'm not an expert to the pulse of Texan culture at the moment. But I think children being murdered again after the countless shootings that have happened, let alone all the shootings that have happened in Texas, can draw in voters that usually feel like it's not worth going to the polls out of pessimism. Beto is making the right play. If he were coy on the issue and stood still, it would hurt his chances even worse. Don't get me wrong, his chances are slim. But, he wouldn't be helped by being a lightweight on a shooting that happened in his own state. People are angry and he's doing a good job of making people feel seen. His chances are slim still (which is all the more reason to go all out). But I don't think this hurts him per se. You don't have to be Republican-lite, but gun control is one of those issues in Texas, like many Deep South states, that voters are pretty intransigent on. There are too many 2A single Issue voters that will get turned off by this. They were never going to vote Democrat anyway, but this certainly galvanizes their turnout. Children getting murdered didn't move any needles in 2012. This won't be any different.
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted May 25, 2022 ATRL Moderator Posted May 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: You don't have to be Republican-lite, but gun control is one of those issues in Texas, like many Deep South states, that voters are pretty intransigent on. There are too many 2A single Issue voters that will get turned off by this. They were never going to vote Democrat anyway, but this certainly galvanizes their turnout. Children getting murdered didn't move any needles in 2012. This won't be any different. I'm of the mindset that those voters were already committed to voting. The pro-gun right-wing is always animated because the "Dems are coming to take your guns" trope has been alive and well for countless years. They're showing up to the polls regardless of what Beto says. So if he can net a few votes of non-traditional voters who knew are tired of shootings killing children, then great. Again, still a long shot. But I don't think Beto loses much on this issue. The pro-gun stance is already a galvanizing force even if Beto ignored the issue completely. Not to bring her up, but Amy McGrath had countless ads run against coming to take your guns and she literally said she supports gun rights on her website and had no mention of gun control (along with no mention of abortion rights). We know how disastrous that turned out. So that's my perspective on this.
Bears01 Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 5 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: You don't have to be Republican-lite, but gun control is one of those issues in Texas, like many Deep South states, that voters are pretty intransigent on. There are too many 2A single Issue voters that will get turned off by this. They were never going to vote Democrat anyway, but this certainly galvanizes their turnout. Children getting murdered didn't move any needles in 2012. This won't be any different. I agree with almost all of this, by November, this incident will be mostly forgotten in Texas (sadly), and the 2a nuts will be out in force to make sure Beto stays out of the governorship (and Texas is swarming with them). But, @Bloo did make a good point: people right now are angry, heartbroken, and searching for any kind of action, and it doesn’t help that Abott literally did this, hours after the shooting:
GhostBox Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 14 minutes ago, Bears01 said: I agree with almost all of this, by November, this incident will be mostly forgotten in Texas (sadly), and the 2a nuts will be out in force to make sure Beto stays out of the governorship (and Texas is swarming with them). But, @Bloo did make a good point: people right now are angry, heartbroken, and searching for any kind of action, and it doesn’t help that Abott literally did this, hours after the shooting: This man is disgusting.? and I can’t ain’t some criticizing betos actions as grandstanding and him being horrible yet are constantly bitching about democrats not putting up a fight and backing down on important issues ?
Chemist Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 17 hours ago, Subzero said: Ive been following updates on some of the students still "missing" and one young girl still not found yet, Elijah Cruz Torres, who most believe she is deceased but not identified as of yet. She kept saying she didn't want to go to school today and her parents told her that she had to go and now these poor parents are going to be filled with guilt and blame themselves if she did not make it. This is all so devistatingly heartbreaking. Update: she's been found and was a victim ugh god this is just so horrible. The pain and guilt that those poor parents will have for their reist of their lives
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