celeb news Bob Mackie slams Kim K for wearing Marilyn's dress

[bliaz]

4 minutes ago, yonsé said:

???? if someone ripped up the mona lisa no one would say "its just a piece of canvas, get over it" 

 

art is art. and this dress is a historical piece of art that was worn to an assassinated president's birthday. it's not a costume. 

[Smarticle]

i feel like Kim knew this was going to cause controversy and just decided to do it for more publicity

[Luckitty]

I agree, kim is a disgusting person

[Blankspace2010]

[ArtForFreedom]

[discosean]

2 hours ago, Miss Show Business said:

Exactly what I was thinking. That dress is so iconic, taking it out of its preservation wasn't the best idea.

It would also be beneficial for whichever designer did the re-creation because it would help to elevate them further. Paying homage to designs of the past when done right is good. 

[Kingpin]

24 minutes ago, yonsé said:

???? if someone ripped up the mona lisa no one would say "its just a piece of canvas, get over it" 

 

art is art. and this dress is a historical piece of art that was worn to an assassinated president's birthday. it's not a costume. 

??? Except the dress wasn’t ripped up it is still in tact and will presumably go back to whatever laser protected glass cabinet it was taken from to never see the light of day again and, plus, from what I’ve seen they made sure to treat it as carefully as possible.

 

Tldr Bob there’s people that are dying

[Mean Trees]

Commodity fetishism is a funny thing. Who cares? It's a dress.

[brenda-walsh]

30 minutes ago, Kingpin said:

??? Except the dress wasn’t ripped up it is still in tact and will presumably go back to whatever laser protected glass cabinet it was taken from to never see the light of day again and, plus, from what I’ve seen they made sure to treat it as carefully as possible.

 

Tldr Bob there’s people that are dying

the point is, the dress was sheltered in its exhibit for a reason. you wouldn't take the Mona Lisa out of its protected glass cabinet, would you? By being removed from its special casing that was specifically designed to preserve the dress, you are automatically ruining it by removing it and wearing it. not that difficult to understand. 

 

OT: it looked ugly on her anyway and didn't even fit the theme 

[brenda-walsh]

31 minutes ago, Mean Trees said:

Commodity fetishism is a funny thing. Who cares? It's a dress.

its a piece of art, a lot of people care

[luckythisway]

I understand where he’s coming from. I think it was a little weird but what was even more weird is that she received locks of her hair & was holding her Golden Globe award the entire night at the after party 

Edited May 18, 2022 by luckythisway

[Gesamtkunstwerk]

Imo, since the dress has so much historical value, why would who ever owns it allow it outside and worn like that? What if some looney Kardashian hater threw paint at her or someone dropped something on it somehow? 

 

Just put it in a museum if it means that much and don't let some rando wear it. 

[lostcause]

1 hour ago, Mean Trees said:

Commodity fetishism is a funny thing. Who cares? It's a dress.

Rosetta Stone, Who cares? It’s a rock

Magna Carta, who cares? It’s paper

Michelangelo’s David, who cares? It’s also just a rock

Mona Lisa?  Dead Sea scrolls? King tuts sarcophagus? 

No. Don’t be flippant on a forum that is dedicated to honoring an art form. 
 

Art is valuable. It’s our only communication with the past and future. It helps tell the story of human life on earth. Fashion is art, and this dress is meaningful in modern American history. It is not comparable to a defaced Hermes, because Marilyn’s dress holds a layered significance. 
 

Kim is no Ai Weiwei. She wore the piece for the very fact of its myth, so to her it is far more than “just a dress”.

Ai Weiwei broke ancient Han pottery as a commentary on the inherent value of “consumer culture”, and as a critique of the fact that the mao regime purposefully destroyed millennia of artifacts in an attempt to rewrite Chinese culture in his totalitarian image. Historical art is powerful enough to terrify histories most powerful people. That’s because art holds within it a unique and irreplaceable heritage. 
 

Kim wore the dress to fulfill her own monstrous narcissism. She doesn’t care to understand the historical or personal meaning that the garment symbolizes. She doesn’t care that Marilyn is said to have asked nobody else wear the dress because it was the only thing in her life that was hers and hers alone. The souffle used to form the dress was fitted to her exact measurements. To Marilyn, this dress symbolized reclamation. The world felt  ownership of her body, her image, her life. So she had a dress made to hug that body, a dress she alone could wear, proof her body was hers. 
 

Souffle is a fabric that degrades quickly. The garment Kim struggled to fit in is 60 year old textile. No more than a touch will forever alter its integrity, someone ill fitted to it sweating, walking, wearing layers of makeup and tanner, and stepping on the hem decades after it has been preserved is going to damage it. Kim is aloof, self obsessed, careless and stupid enough to think this piece of art was no different from a custom catsuit or a graffitied Hermes. Kim is ignorant and entitled, but worst of all she is callously unable to empathize with the woman she claims to idolize. She excitedly accepted a lock of Marilyn’s hair that was robbed from the film stars fresh corpse. Beyond the inherent creepiness, possessing the hair of a dead Jewish woman is extremely offensive to the faith Marilyn converted to. 
 

I’m tired of people insinuating commodity heritage items, art, and artifacts are shallow or lack value. Art is history, art is culture, art is universal. This dress is more valuable than the ego of a sad hollow rich woman who stands for nothing. Art is more valuable than Kim’s existence.
 

Marilyns Happy birthday dress symbolizes a layered and fraught moment in history, it symbolizes an aspect of society we struggle with to this day. It is a symbol of the civilization James Baldwin once dreamed would lead to something better after collapse. 
Kim Kardashian is a billboard. She is a false idol selling insecurity, faux authenticity, and capitalism. She has created nothing, she has never shared an original thought, she is as faceless and toxic as the dollar she worships.

Edited May 18, 2022 by lostcause

[P.O.P]

Wow he designed that too? He must be the most iconic fashion designer ever tbh.

[noonbob]

6 hours ago, yonsé said:

???? if someone ripped up the mona lisa no one would say "its just a piece of canvas, get over it" 

 

art is art. and this dress is a historical piece of art that was worn to an assassinated president's birthday. it's not a costume. 

Exactly.

[*-ChriZ-*]

4 hours ago, lostcause said:

Rosetta Stone, Who cares? It’s a rock

Magna Carta, who cares? It’s paper

Michelangelo’s David, who cares? It’s also just a rock

Mona Lisa?  Dead Sea scrolls? King tuts sarcophagus? 

No. Don’t be flippant on a forum that is dedicated to honoring an art form. 
 

Art is valuable. It’s our only communication with the past and future. It helps tell the story of human life on earth. Fashion is art, and this dress is meaningful in modern American history. It is not comparable to a defaced Hermes, because Marilyn’s dress holds a layered significance. 
 

Kim is no Ai Weiwei. She wore the piece for the very fact of its myth, so to her it is far more than “just a dress”.

Ai Weiwei broke ancient Han pottery as a commentary on the inherent value of “consumer culture”, and as a critique of the fact that the mao regime purposefully destroyed millennia of artifacts in an attempt to rewrite Chinese culture in his totalitarian image. Historical art is powerful enough to terrify histories most powerful people. That’s because art holds within it a unique and irreplaceable heritage. 
 

Kim wore the dress to fulfill her own monstrous narcissism. She doesn’t care to understand the historical or personal meaning that the garment symbolizes. She doesn’t care that Marilyn is said to have asked nobody else wear the dress because it was the only thing in her life that was hers and hers alone. The souffle used to form the dress was fitted to her exact measurements. To Marilyn, this dress symbolized reclamation. The world felt  ownership of her body, her image, her life. So she had a dress made to hug that body, a dress she alone could wear, proof her body was hers. 
 

Souffle is a fabric that degrades quickly. The garment Kim struggled to fit in is 60 year old textile. No more than a touch will forever alter its integrity, someone ill fitted to it sweating, walking, wearing layers of makeup and tanner, and stepping on the hem decades after it has been preserved is going to damage it. Kim is aloof, self obsessed, careless and stupid enough to think this piece of art was no different from a custom catsuit or a graffitied Hermes. Kim is ignorant and entitled, but worst of all she is callously unable to empathize with the woman she claims to idolize. She excitedly accepted a lock of Marilyn’s hair that was robbed from the film stars fresh corpse. Beyond the inherent creepiness, possessing the hair of a dead Jewish woman is extremely offensive to the faith Marilyn converted to. 
 

I’m tired of people insinuating commodity heritage items, art, and artifacts are shallow or lack value. Art is history, art is culture, art is universal. This dress is more valuable than the ego of a sad hollow rich woman who stands for nothing. Art is more valuable than Kim’s existence.
 

Marilyns Happy birthday dress symbolizes a layered and fraught moment in history, it symbolizes an aspect of society we struggle with to this day. It is a symbol of the civilization James Baldwin once dreamed would lead to something better after collapse. 
Kim Kardashian is a billboard. She is a false idol selling insecurity, faux authenticity, and capitalism. She has created nothing, she has never shared an original thought, she is as faceless and toxic as the dollar she worships.

My God, that was a drag and then some

 

[Askeroff]

Drag ha 

[perfect blue]

she couldn’t even fit her fat fake ass in it… 

[Daddy]

All that talk over that ugly looking nude illusion with some stones on it. A drag queen staple

[yonsé]

12 hours ago, Gesamtkunstwerk said:

Imo, since the dress has so much historical value, why would who ever owns it allow it outside and worn like that? What if some looney Kardashian hater threw paint at her or someone dropped something on it somehow? 

 

Just put it in a museum if it means that much and don't let some rando wear it. 

Marilyn Monroe didn’t have an estate, so all of her belongings were sold. If she did, the dress would probably be in the Smithsonian, and not at a Ripley’s Believe it or Not. It’s clear that the people who own her dress did not care *that* much about preservation because it shouldn’t have been worn.

[yonsé]

14 hours ago, Kingpin said:

??? Except the dress wasn’t ripped up it is still in tact and will presumably go back to whatever laser protected glass cabinet it was taken from to never see the light of day again and, plus, from what I’ve seen they made sure to treat it as carefully as possible.

 

Tldr Bob there’s people that are dying

You referred to it as “a piece of fabric” and I told you why it was more than that. The way they were scraping their hands along the dress to put it on Kim certainly didn’t seem like they were treating it carefully. It didn’t need to be worn. You wouldn’t wear the Hope Diamond out of the Smithsonian. This is no different. It’s not Cher’s dress, this is the dress of someone who is synonymous with Hollywood and who’s life ended tragically and her things were not treated with respect. This is further disrespect to her and her legacy. 
 

13 hours ago, brenda-walsh said:

the point is, the dress was sheltered in its exhibit for a reason. you wouldn't take the Mona Lisa out of its protected glass cabinet, would you? By being removed from its special casing that was specifically designed to preserve the dress, you are automatically ruining it by removing it and wearing it. not that difficult to understand. 

 

OT: it looked ugly on her anyway and didn't even fit the theme 

exactly. Thank u.
 

12 hours ago, lostcause said:

Rosetta Stone, Who cares? It’s a rock

Magna Carta, who cares? It’s paper

Michelangelo’s David, who cares? It’s also just a rock

Mona Lisa?  Dead Sea scrolls? King tuts sarcophagus? 

No. Don’t be flippant on a forum that is dedicated to honoring an art form. 
 

Art is valuable. It’s our only communication with the past and future. It helps tell the story of human life on earth. Fashion is art, and this dress is meaningful in modern American history. It is not comparable to a defaced Hermes, because Marilyn’s dress holds a layered significance. 
 

Kim is no Ai Weiwei. She wore the piece for the very fact of its myth, so to her it is far more than “just a dress”.

Ai Weiwei broke ancient Han pottery as a commentary on the inherent value of “consumer culture”, and as a critique of the fact that the mao regime purposefully destroyed millennia of artifacts in an attempt to rewrite Chinese culture in his totalitarian image. Historical art is powerful enough to terrify histories most powerful people. That’s because art holds within it a unique and irreplaceable heritage. 
 

Kim wore the dress to fulfill her own monstrous narcissism. She doesn’t care to understand the historical or personal meaning that the garment symbolizes. She doesn’t care that Marilyn is said to have asked nobody else wear the dress because it was the only thing in her life that was hers and hers alone. The souffle used to form the dress was fitted to her exact measurements. To Marilyn, this dress symbolized reclamation. The world felt  ownership of her body, her image, her life. So she had a dress made to hug that body, a dress she alone could wear, proof her body was hers. 
 

Souffle is a fabric that degrades quickly. The garment Kim struggled to fit in is 60 year old textile. No more than a touch will forever alter its integrity, someone ill fitted to it sweating, walking, wearing layers of makeup and tanner, and stepping on the hem decades after it has been preserved is going to damage it. Kim is aloof, self obsessed, careless and stupid enough to think this piece of art was no different from a custom catsuit or a graffitied Hermes. Kim is ignorant and entitled, but worst of all she is callously unable to empathize with the woman she claims to idolize. She excitedly accepted a lock of Marilyn’s hair that was robbed from the film stars fresh corpse. Beyond the inherent creepiness, possessing the hair of a dead Jewish woman is extremely offensive to the faith Marilyn converted to. 
 

I’m tired of people insinuating commodity heritage items, art, and artifacts are shallow or lack value. Art is history, art is culture, art is universal. This dress is more valuable than the ego of a sad hollow rich woman who stands for nothing. Art is more valuable than Kim’s existence.
 

Marilyns Happy birthday dress symbolizes a layered and fraught moment in history, it symbolizes an aspect of society we struggle with to this day. It is a symbol of the civilization James Baldwin once dreamed would lead to something better after collapse. 
Kim Kardashian is a billboard. She is a false idol selling insecurity, faux authenticity, and capitalism. She has created nothing, she has never shared an original thought, she is as faceless and toxic as the dollar she worships.

[Cheers]

It's a dress that was worn by a woman that died 60 years ago. Stop the overreactions. 

[G.U.Y. Gaga]

I honestly though he died  and not even being shady 

[yonsé]

9 minutes ago, Cheers said:

It's a dress that was worn by a woman that died 60 years ago. Stop the overreactions. 

Weird thing to say. The fact that she’s dead is more reason to *not* wear it…

[brenda-walsh]

14 hours ago, lostcause said:

Rosetta Stone, Who cares? It’s a rock

Magna Carta, who cares? It’s paper

Michelangelo’s David, who cares? It’s also just a rock

Mona Lisa?  Dead Sea scrolls? King tuts sarcophagus? 

No. Don’t be flippant on a forum that is dedicated to honoring an art form. 
 

Art is valuable. It’s our only communication with the past and future. It helps tell the story of human life on earth. Fashion is art, and this dress is meaningful in modern American history. It is not comparable to a defaced Hermes, because Marilyn’s dress holds a layered significance. 
 

Kim is no Ai Weiwei. She wore the piece for the very fact of its myth, so to her it is far more than “just a dress”.

Ai Weiwei broke ancient Han pottery as a commentary on the inherent value of “consumer culture”, and as a critique of the fact that the mao regime purposefully destroyed millennia of artifacts in an attempt to rewrite Chinese culture in his totalitarian image. Historical art is powerful enough to terrify histories most powerful people. That’s because art holds within it a unique and irreplaceable heritage. 
 

Kim wore the dress to fulfill her own monstrous narcissism. She doesn’t care to understand the historical or personal meaning that the garment symbolizes. She doesn’t care that Marilyn is said to have asked nobody else wear the dress because it was the only thing in her life that was hers and hers alone. The souffle used to form the dress was fitted to her exact measurements. To Marilyn, this dress symbolized reclamation. The world felt  ownership of her body, her image, her life. So she had a dress made to hug that body, a dress she alone could wear, proof her body was hers. 
 

Souffle is a fabric that degrades quickly. The garment Kim struggled to fit in is 60 year old textile. No more than a touch will forever alter its integrity, someone ill fitted to it sweating, walking, wearing layers of makeup and tanner, and stepping on the hem decades after it has been preserved is going to damage it. Kim is aloof, self obsessed, careless and stupid enough to think this piece of art was no different from a custom catsuit or a graffitied Hermes. Kim is ignorant and entitled, but worst of all she is callously unable to empathize with the woman she claims to idolize. She excitedly accepted a lock of Marilyn’s hair that was robbed from the film stars fresh corpse. Beyond the inherent creepiness, possessing the hair of a dead Jewish woman is extremely offensive to the faith Marilyn converted to. 
 

I’m tired of people insinuating commodity heritage items, art, and artifacts are shallow or lack value. Art is history, art is culture, art is universal. This dress is more valuable than the ego of a sad hollow rich woman who stands for nothing. Art is more valuable than Kim’s existence.
 

Marilyns Happy birthday dress symbolizes a layered and fraught moment in history, it symbolizes an aspect of society we struggle with to this day. It is a symbol of the civilization James Baldwin once dreamed would lead to something better after collapse. 
Kim Kardashian is a billboard. She is a false idol selling insecurity, faux authenticity, and capitalism. She has created nothing, she has never shared an original thought, she is as faceless and toxic as the dollar she worships.