celeb news Summer Walker's bf drags Billboard for giving Doja R&B awards

[professor2000]

2 hours ago, Squall said:

I mean, he didn't lie, I smile everytime I see "she's the first female rapper to...", I mean, yeah, not saying she isn't a rapper but she is releasing pop music so I don't get the point.

Then what are you saying? 
 

So Left Eye, Missy Elliot, and Nicki not rappers because they rapped on Pop production? 

[Zylo]

I mean yeah these awards are based on numbers so…and this guy sounds like a douche. Streets ruled the charts for a bit. 

 

Still, it doesn’t sit right that pure rnb acts can be overshadowed and lose awards like this. Even doja knows so I’m happy she gave everyone a shout out. These execs see black artist and immediately say “Oh, RnB”.  

[Squall]

5 minutes ago, professor2000 said:

Then what are you saying? 
 

So Left Eye, Missy Elliot, and Nicki not rappers because they rapped on Pop production? 

Except her album is pop, I'm not sure why you'd make achievements about her being a rapper when everything she is achieving is with pop music. They just want to make the achievement impressive because they know they can't simply use "female".

[makeme]

The way we stay fighting over what to label her 

 

Maybe just accept that she can do it all ? 
 

And the faux outrage when the award would of gone to The Weekend if not Doja. I doubt he would be calling out Abel right now.

 

Furthermore aren’t these the same categories Rihanna won during Loud. At least Doja has RnB hits from the past year. 
 

[dabunique]

2 minutes ago, makeme said:

The way we stay fighting over what to label her 

 

Maybe just accept that she can do it all ? 
 

And the faux outrage when the award would of gone to The Weekend if not Doja. I doubt he would be calling out Abel right now.

 

Furthermore aren’t these the same categories Rihanna won during Loud. At least Doja has RnB hits from the past year. 
 

exactly where was this energy when Abel was winning it all

[professor2000]

12 minutes ago, Squall said:

Except her album is pop, I'm not sure why you'd make achievements about her being a rapper when everything she is achieving is with pop music. They just want to make the achievement impressive because they know they can't simply use "female".

Is she not rapping on her songs though?
 

She is a female rapper, regardless of the genre.  No one is stopping the other rappers from doing crossover records.  In fact, many of them have tried (and few have succeeded).  
 

I can see the “R&B artist” accolade argument (BBMA situation), but I don’t see it for “first rapper to…” accolade argument.  She’s still a rapper (who also happens to sing well too).  
 

Also, Doja is as stomping on most girls this era, except Olivia.  So, she really don’t “have to make it seem” any kind of way.    She’s doing well compared to Pop girls too.  

[professor2000]

6 minutes ago, makeme said:

The way we stay fighting over what to label her 

 

Maybe just accept that she can do it all ? 
 

And the faux outrage when the award would of gone to The Weekend if not Doja. I doubt he would be calling out Abel right now.

 

Furthermore aren’t these the same categories Rihanna won during Loud. At least Doja has RnB hits from the past year. 
 

Exactly.  People have no issue with Rihanna winning R&B awards.  Hell, she started out Pop in her early career too, imo.  Yet there was nooooooo outrage.  Interesting.  
 

 

[professor2000]

28 minutes ago, Zylo said:

I mean yeah these awards are based on numbers so…and this guy sounds like a douche. Streets ruled the charts for a bit. 

 

Still, it doesn’t sit right that pure rnb acts can be overshadowed and lose awards like this. Even doja knows so I’m happy she gave everyone a shout out. These execs see black artist and immediately say “Oh, RnB”.  

I mean it’s not even label execs…it’s Billboard.  Those the people everyone should be getting mad with.  

 

Doja charts on Billboard R&B charts all year long, yet no one has anything to say until it’s award season.  Like…what?
 

Do you really care about “the culture” or do you care your fav didn’t get the award?    

 

 

[professor2000]

43 minutes ago, sasashite said:

If Beyoncé, Rihanna and The Weeknd are considered Rnb, why not Doja?

They're just mad because Doja is way bigger than Summer Walker and deservedly won.

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[Ryan]

3 hours ago, Luckitty said:

aren't nicknames against atrl's rules? 

 

3 hours ago, R.E.M. said:

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[Rev8]

 

[Not Like The Movies]

He's got a point, terrible approach but the point is valid, these award shows need to stop nominating black pop artists in r&b categories, it really makes no room for actual r&b acts to have a chance to win and it's very racist to call any artist 'urban' simply because they're black. Planet H.E.R has ONE r&b song.  I love Doja and she is the most successful nominee and these awards are given to the most successful so she deserves based on that but she should be in pop. 

[LastGreatBloodline]

his response is messy and she shouldn't blame Doja but she has a point. Doja deserves a lot of awards but in Rap/Pop categories, her being boxed into R&B makes no sense. Still Over It deserved

[Azulito]

1 hour ago, makeme said:

The way we stay fighting over what to label her 

 

Maybe just accept that she can do it all ? 
 

And the faux outrage when the award would of gone to The Weekend if not Doja. I doubt he would be calling out Abel right now.

 

Furthermore aren’t these the same categories Rihanna won during Loud. At least Doja has RnB hits from the past year. 
 

 

1 hour ago, dabunique said:

exactly where was this energy when Abel was winning it all

 

1 hour ago, professor2000 said:

Exactly.  People have no issue with Rihanna winning R&B awards.  Hell, she started out Pop in her early career too, imo.  Yet there was nooooooo outrage.  Interesting.  

People were definitely complaining when they won R&B awards that they shouldn't have won either. Take off the stan glasses for a minute

[Not Like The Movies]

1 hour ago, Marvin said:

 

 

People were definitely complaining when they won R&B awards that they shouldn't have won either. Take off the stan glasses for a minute

Exactly

[WinterRun]

2 hours ago, professor2000 said:

Exactly.  People have no issue with Rihanna winning R&B awards.  Hell, she started out Pop in her early career too, imo.  Yet there was nooooooo outrage.  Interesting.  
 

 

Non-R&B artists encroaching on R&B categories (on Billboard charts, with award nominations, etc.) has been a longstanding issue that many people have had a problem with. It overshadows artists that make actual R&B albums and limits black artists who make pop music to a category they don't belong in. 

 

I've long believed being an R&B artists is more difficult than other genres because you're "stuck" in the category, while pop and rap artists alike can dip into, chart, and be awarded in the category, then return to their usual genre whenever they feel like it. It's extremely hard for R&B artists to do the same.

 

I don't agree with people saying Doja isn't a rapper. I'm not even sure where the logic in that argument lies (or whatever Summer's boyfriend said). However, I agree that labels and Billboard need to start applying genres to artists based on the actual music they make and not how they look.

[Ferret]

4 hours ago, SimpleKindofLife said:

This is not even true at all she’s as much pop as she is hip hop but regardless she won and y’all can stay mad.

Based on the songs that the gp know, she’s a pop artist. Say so and Kiss me are both pop songs 

[professor2000]

2 hours ago, Marvin said:

 

 

People were definitely complaining when they won R&B awards that they shouldn't have won either. Take off the stan glasses for a minute

I do not recall any uproar.  Do you have links/receipts? I feel like I would’ve remembered.  

[lovely88]

He’s right billboard stays regulating black artists to the r&b category’s even when they are not making r&b music. 

[professor2000]

24 minutes ago, WinterRun said:

Non-R&B artists encroaching on R&B categories (on Billboard charts, with award nominations, etc.) has been a longstanding issue that many people have had a problem with. It overshadows artists that make actual R&B albums and limits black artists who make pop music to a category they don't belong in. 

 

I've long believed being an R&B artists is more difficult than other genres because you're "stuck" in the category, while pop and rap artists alike can dip into, chart, and be awarded in the category, then return to their usual genre whenever they feel like it. It's extremely hard for R&B artists to do the same.

 

I don't agree with people saying Doja isn't a rapper. I'm not even sure where the logic in that argument lies (or whatever Summer's boyfriend said). However, I agree that labels and Billboard need to start applying genres to artists based on the actual music they make and not how they look.

Yeah, I feel you.  
 

I just think it’s still murky waters because genres are so enmeshed these days.  Billboard gonna get **** either way, lol…especially if they’re dictating who’s what genre.  Especially for artists like Doja, Rihanna, old Beyonce, etc…who can do any genre at any given moment.  
 

We sure Billboard not placing them there based on airplay though?  Doja is pretty huge on Rhythmic radio.  Same went for Rihanna, Beyonce.  That’s the problematic radio format.  It’s not clean cut…can sometimes lean Pop, sometimes lean R&B/Hip-Hop.  

[WinterRun]

1 hour ago, professor2000 said:

Yeah, I feel you.  
 

I just think it’s still murky waters because genres are so enmeshed these days.  Billboard gonna get **** either way, lol…especially if they’re dictating who’s what genre.  Especially for artists like Doja, Rihanna, old Beyonce, etc…who can do any genre at any given moment.  
 

We sure Billboard not placing them there based on airplay though?  Doja is pretty huge on Rhythmic radio.  Same went for Rihanna, Beyonce.  That’s the problematic radio format.  It’s not clean cut…can sometimes lean Pop, sometimes lean R&B/Hip-Hop.  

Radio airplay is part of the nomination and winner criteria, but not all of it. It also includes streaming, album and digital song sales, touring, and social engagement. So if airplay isn't the only thing that matters, that means Billboard is possibly placing artists into these categories, then using its criteria to decide the winner. 

 

Even if airplay was the deciding factor for genre placement, why would Rhythmic, versus Urban, radio be used for R&B categories? Any way you cut it, actual R&B artists don't stand a chance winning their own categories when pop or rap artists are added into the mix.

[Ricardo1993]

He's right. 

[BnPac]

6 hours ago, sasashite said:

If Beyoncé, Rihanna and The Weeknd are considered Rnb, why not Doja?

They're just mad because Doja is way bigger than Summer Walker and deservedly won.

Beyoncé is a RnB artist, she has one pop album so far which is a double disc with rnb/urban songs on one side and pop on the other. 

 

And the problem with this is two-fold :

- Deserving RnB artists do not get rewarded. 

- Black pop artists are not recognized in the category related to the music they actually make. 

 

At the end black artists lose anyway. 

Doja is a pop/Hip-hop artist, she should have won a pop trophy. 

Edited May 16, 2022 by BnPac

[slw84]

5 hours ago, Ryan BTE said:

 

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and that's how you clear a ...

 

That said, why are people up in here bringing up Rihanna and the weeknd winning R&b awards for songs and music that isn't r&b as if that helps their argument.

 

Multiple female r&b artists have brought up Rihanna before saying they love her but she is not R&B she is pop.

 

That being said, Summer is a top r&b girl but it's nothing new to get knocked out by a popstar. Rihanna, Beyonce and others have won awards artists releasing R&b artists deserved. That's just the game of the industry.

 

The grammy's typically are more spot on with categorizing songs/artists right.

 

BBMAs is a numbers game. Calling Doja a R&B artists or Rap artists is off base. She's a female rapper who does pop, rhythmic and occasional hip hop.

 

There's a reason why her big hits of this cycle were put in R&B though. The next best option would have been to put her in pop. 

 

I think Summer can get her awards at the BET awards, Soul train etc. But unless a crossover artists is on a break usually they will get the top spot over people more central in the genre.

 

Not the first time and won't be the last but she's giving me Sza on when she got snubbed so I get why she feels a way about it.

 

And yes tons of people consider the Weeknd POP not r&b and him winning r&b song for Blinding lights is a hearty laugh for some.

 

Note: this was not an issue with the likes of Lauryn Hill, Missy and others who were nominated in pop, r&b, hip hop and other categories but it didn't feel like...a choice.

 

 
 

 

 

Edited May 16, 2022 by slw84

[Billionaire]

He's somewhat right but he should've directed the energy towards Billboard not Doja herself. Still Over It is what an actual R&B album sounds like & if I can remember correctly, was the best performing R&B album of last year so it absolutely deserved to win. Planet Her is not an R&B album and it's quite frankly very offensive & pretty disrespectful to consider it one. It has like one song that can be considered R&B. The rest of it is pure pop\rap. 

 

It's sad that this is still a problem in 2022. 

 

Anyway...it's just a BBMA award but I understand his frustration. Summer has been getting snubbed left & right kinda weird