celeb news J.K. Rowling argues that no cis women actually believe "trans women are women"

[Communion]

1 minute ago, Kamil24 said:

what does TWAW mean?

"Trans women are women" 

[Isaiah]

30 minutes ago, Kylizzle said:

I do think the slogan trans women are women is a bit misleading and overused. Trans women and biological women ARE different and ignoring that seems to minimize the trans struggle a bit. 

Yup yup yup

 

but this woman really does just spend all her time hating trans women, it’s alarming 

[Velvet Night]

Why won’t she curl up and disappear in some gods forgotten hole

 

[Karla Cabello]

5 minutes ago, Smarticle said:

she's obsessed

this. is worrying truly. why does she care so much about THIS particular subject

[Zack]

There is a way to get your message across and this isn't it. 

 

Yes, there are some concerns to be worked on when choosing not to distinguish between cis and trans women and doing so does minimize the struggles that both cis and trans women uniquely face. 

 

But sadly, JKR has transformed into someone who sounds radicalized and dogmatic. Even if she means well, the way she expresses herself is quite damaging and gives bigots easy opportunities to add more poison to the conversation, when it should be about equality and understanding.

 

I'm so disappointed with what she has become. 

[Kylizzle]

6 minutes ago, CaptainMusic said:

Most people who support this slogan do not think trans and biological women are the same, it’s literally just saying that trans women are…women, which you agree with.  

trans women are trans women  Were different and that's ok. I thought that was the whole point 

[Kylizzle]

Just now, Zack said:

There is a way to get your message across and this isn't it. 

 

Yes, there are some concerns to be worked on when choosing not to distinguish between cis and trans women and doing so does minimize the struggles that both cis and trans women uniquely face. 

 

But sadly, JKR has transformed into someone who sounds radicalized and dogmatic. Even if she means well, the way she expresses herself is quite damaging and gives bigots easy opportunities to add more poison to the conversation, when it should be about equality and understanding.

 

I'm so disappointed with what she has become. 

Perfect summation  

[X~MoviePoP]

Trans women are not "women", in the biological sense. They are trans women. Not biological women. 

 

Now, i wonder if jk is trying to say that or if shes saying they are flat out just not women period no matter what.

[suneclipse121]

3 hours ago, jqnetto said:

the way you managed to be even more sexist with the edit.

 

like... a woman can't have valid reasons without it being related to an emotional link with a man? Let alone JK who is loud at making her points very clear. 

I never said she couldn’t have valid reasons(she doesn’t have any anyways). Her obsession on this topic specifically is weird it’s almost like when someone is really homophobic and it turns out their gay. Her focus on trans women almost seems personal and where there’s  smoke there’s fire. 
 

Anyways is J.K Rowling someone you really want to defend on the grounds of sexism? When she’s literally coming for a bunch of women. Please? 
 

Edited April 22, 2022 by suneclipse121

[Jack!]

28 minutes ago, Kamil24 said:

where does she say that "no cis woman actually believes trans women are women?" I don't see any mention of anything to do with trans in those tweets?

Maybe not explicitly, but the whole thread/quote is a metaphor about how the greengrocer is putting a sign up in his shop window to conform to what people think is right when in reality the expectation is he, and presumably a lot of others, don't actually agree with the sentiment and only say they do so people will leave them alone. The quote was said in relation to a tweet about Trans Women and Women. So she's essentially using the metaphor to say cis women (or at least some) supporting the trans movement are doing so falsely so that people will leave them alone.

[Communion]

22 minutes ago, X~MoviePoP said:

Trans women are not "women", in the biological sense.

Not all women are biologically female, is the point, and that you can't define a woman as an "adult human female". There are men, for example, who are adult human females.

 

Even someone like Blair White says this, as she explained to Ben Shapiro how if he was to have meet her at a restaurant for dinner and ask the attendant that he sees his friend, "that man over there", and to be seated "wit him", the waitress would likely have no clue what he meant, meaning he'd have to tell the waitress "she" and "woman". Because "woman" as a noun isn't about biological utility, but social utility.

 

People only say "trans women are women" because people like Rowling are explicitly saying "trans women are not women" - and not just "different from cis women" but not women at all, which is the implicit tactic to claim trans women are actually men.

 

The issue with Rowling's tweet thread is her going full force and comparing people believing that trans women are women as something totalitarian and arguing through the referenced quote that to agree with "trans women are women" is compelled speech and state ideology, akin to like the emperor's new clothing, where all cis women apparently ~inherently know~ trans women are really men, but if any brave cis woman says this out-loud, they'll be crushed by "pro-trans totalitarianism". 

 

She's quite literally making the argument that any men who believe trans women are women are actually doing so to enable oppression of cis women, and any cis woman who says so knows deep down that they're lying and are only being forced to say such to not go against "the state ideology". 

Edited April 22, 2022 by Communion

[Achilles.]

One of the replies to a tweet in the OP says that there’s a right wing Christian publication that frequently uses this exact same “Havel’s greengrocer” thing in relation to trans people. This goes beyond her being a lone crazy lady on twitter; she’s actively participating in a coordinated anti-trans movement orchestrated by right wing extremists. 

[VOSS]

She really needs a new hobby

 

What even is a woman though

[Pop]

God. she's s such a sad little threatened individual. 

 

Your money means nothing, old hag. You are a bigoted LOSER! 

[wehan6]

this loser 

[Rev8]

What Tinashe said

[TiaTamera]

Trans women are women (gender) but are not female (sex/“biological”* ) it’s a very simple concept. I’m a cis woman a trans woman are woman. Case closed, J.K. Is wrong 

some trans people don’t like using that because it makes it seem like they are unnatural, fake, substitute, etc*

[Trent W]

How can someone so successful be this focused on something so irrelevant to her?

 

Like something really went wrong there, it doesn’t make sense.

 

Even some bigoted people just keep this **** to themselves.

[XAMJ]

It’s clear cis women and trans women are different. 

[Communion]

4 minutes ago, XAMJ said:

It’s clear cis women and trans women are different. 

Different....what? Kinds of women? So... still women? Are trans men not men because they have different experiences from cis men? Are gay men not men for having different experiences from straight men?

 

To claim trans women can't be women and trans men can't be men requires defining what a man and woman are, and how that is often done is to provide "definitions" that explicitly state that trans women are men and trans men are women, despite swearing that's not actually what people are trying to say.

Edited April 22, 2022 by Communion

[UnusualBoy]

Her fixation with trans people is one for the books, unhinged hag.

[Yog]

1 hour ago, jqnetto said:

Let alone JK who is loud at making her points very clear

In what literal way is that terf is making any points in the slightest?

 

[CovalentBondage]

The blatant transphobia in this first page by MANY people. @ATRL Administration

[Sugar-Rush]

I think she was just trying to point out that cis women and transgender women are biologically different, so in her mind cis women struggles =/= transgender women struggles I guess?

[Planet Mars]

14 minutes ago, Communion said:

Different....what? Kinds of women? So... still women? Are trans men not men because they have different experiences from cis men? Are gay men not men for having different experiences from straight men?

 

To claim trans women can't be women and trans men can't be men requires defining what a man and woman are, and how that is often done is to provide "definitions" that explicitly state that trans women are men and trans men are women, despite swearing that's not actually what people are trying to say.

They're referring to biology. Trans women are women obviously.