base talk When Gaga lost her Throne as the Queen of Pop?

[GraceRandolph]

38 minutes ago, Corso said:

When she released Born This Way. It made it seem like she was a pop star for gays instead of the GP  ....specifically for young women and girls (50% of the population) - that's who she had during The Fame/Monster and who she lost during BTW. ARTPOP just received the fallout. At that point I think Katy Perry took over for a while and Gaga didn't fully recover until The Super Bowl and especially a Sar is Born.

I think Katy surging as a hitmaker and Miley becoming the hot topic fractured Gaga’s success. 

[Corso]

3 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said:

I think Katy surging as a hitmaker and Miley becoming the hot topic fractured Gaga’s success. 

I guess. But I think Gaga could have stayed on top if she just let people discover BTW on the album and picked something else as the lead single. It doesn't matter anymore though, she came back, amazingly, and is exactly where she wants to be. Im not even sure if it was a mistake, for her career, anymore considering where she is now.

[Corso]

40 minutes ago, Protocol said:

This is accurate. I would also say she lost straight men, which she did have to an extent during Fame/Fame Monster era. I remember many straight guys at my school stanning and it was seen as cool.

 

The Pop Queen title in 2013 was not as clear. One second it seemed like Taylor, then Miley, then Katy, then Beyonce.

Right, I remember she use to make those sexiest lists. Straight guys thought she was hot. And because straight guys thought she was hot then thats another thing that drew young women and girls to her and want to be like her.

[GraceRandolph]

17 minutes ago, Corso said:

I guess. But I think Gaga could have stayed on top if she just let people discover BTW on the album and picked something else as the lead single. It doesn't matter anymore though, she came back, amazingly, and is exactly where she wants to be. Im not even sure if it was a mistake, for her career, anymore considering where she is now.

I guess, but then again Born This Way is a pride month staple, and solidified her as an LGBT icon. What she lost in the short term will eventually pay back dividends. 

[Corso]

6 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said:

I guess, but then again Born This Way is a pride month staple, and solidified her as an LGBT icon. What she lost in the short term will eventually pay back dividends. 

It looks like that is what happened. It all worked out, and maybe for the best, thinking too much about her career, like I suggested, may have been the wrong thing to do. I cant imagine her being at a better place than she is now.

[GraceRandolph]

55 minutes ago, Corso said:

It looks like that is what happened. It all worked out, and maybe for the best, thinking too much about her career, like I suggested, may have been the wrong thing to do. I cant imagine her being at a better place than she is now.

I think the Born This Way era just kind of broke Gaga’s relationship with radio too tbh. She’s never really been welcomed back even after hits and radio friendly songs like The Cure that could’ve been spammed a bit. 

[Buddy]

Who cares about this pointless title? Madonna will always have it since she proclaimed it before our pop girls were even born, but it really doesn't mean much.

[HASHTAGPOW]

When Rita Ora released Poison

[Mystic Boy]

Are you monsters really entertaining this pathetic and desperate thread by retired artists fans ?

OGHs Salivating and downplaying her amazing career here though  

Did I read that ASIB and HOG are the same as Reality TV ?

I think this should be enough to pass on this thread

 

Edited April 22, 2022 by Mystic Boy

[Negev]

Madonna rightfully earned the title "Queen of Pop" and shaped the female popstar image, she was followed by Britney and Gaga, but none had a claim for this title. 

 

In 2022 I really think people should move away from this silliness of "the NEXT Madonna" or "the next Gaga" each one of these women worked their ass off, literally fought tooth and nail to get to where they are. Each took inspiration from the women that came before her and shaped their careers in unique and individualistic ways

 

******* sad that this is what people bicker over, this and Gaga verus Beyoncé,  Katy... like it's been over ten years, nobody cares. These ladies will co exist and succeed whether y'all like it or not 

Edited April 22, 2022 by Negev

[GraceRandolph]

6 minutes ago, Mystic Boy said:

Did I read that ASIB and HOG are the same as Reality TV ?

Who said that? 

[MadOnHer]

5 hours ago, perfillusion said:

That's just your bitter interpretation of it. Diving into a starring role in your first film, in an R-rated drama, is a big risk for a singer. Proof: everyone thought it was folly and would bomb/be Razzied. Further proof: your fave spent her career chasing that film success, and bombed so hard she became the poster girl for popstars can't transition into acting.

 

Gaga going from electropop to the very opposite end of that spectrum is risky. She could have stuck to cute electro dance songs forever. Creatively barren is going from Erotica to jumping on the R&B sound of Bedtime Stories.

Your posts in this thread are utter drivel. Proof that you are incapable of viewing Gaga's career trajectory in any sort of objective and critical way.

 

And bringing Madonna into the conversation when she wasn't even mentioned changes nothing. However, I will point out that Madonna's first starring role in a film was also a critical and commercial success. She then went on to record True Blue, which was widely considered an artistic progression and actually sold more than her previous album, which itself was also considered an artistic improvement and sold more than her debut album! In short, the polar opposite of Gaga's trajectory! 

 

Back on topic. Gaga retreated to very safe territory after the Artpop debacle and is clearly obsessed with seeking everyone's approval. The very opposite of a "punk-rocker".

[GoatGly]

Little Monsters falling for another thread  never fails to send me

[Mystic Boy]

47 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said:

Who said that? 

Look below

That Britney delulu is ENRAGED in this thread with deeply delusional posts, a true feast

12 hours ago, BGXKB said:

Gaga’s acting chops starring in the fourth remake of a movie about becoming a singer and a campy movie about an Italian fashion murderer are hardly beyond reality TV.

 

 

[GraceRandolph]

5 minutes ago, Mystic Boy said:

Look below

That Britney delulu is ENRAGED in this thread with deeply delusional posts, a true feast

 

 

Gaga still making people fume this much. 

[GraceRandolph]

35 minutes ago, MadOnHer said:

Your posts in this thread are utter drivel. Proof that you are incapable of viewing Gaga's career trajectory in any sort of objective and critical way.

 

And bringing Madonna into the conversation when she wasn't even mentioned changes nothing. However, I will point out that Madonna's first starring role in a film was also a critical and commercial success. She then went on to record True Blue, which was widely considered an artistic progression and actually sold more than her previous album, which itself was also considered an artistic improvement and sold more than her debut album! In short, the polar opposite of Gaga's trajectory! 

 

Back on topic. Gaga retreated to very safe territory after the Artpop debacle and is clearly obsessed with seeking everyone's approval. The very opposite of a "punk-rocker".

Since when is artistic growth determined by album sales? 

[Blackout2006]

In my opinion and with no intent of shade, Gaga was never the Queen of Pop. In order to surpass Madonna who still remains the QOP, she would have had to produce consistently successful albums for at least 6-7 years of her career but already started declining in her 2nd album. Then she would have to work towards selling more than 200 million records but it has been 15 years and Gaga hasn't even reached close to such a figure. Then comes Madonna's tour net worth gross which Gaga's is so incomparable to. One of the very few fields that Gaga comes up to Madonna is cultural impact but even then, Madonna is still ahead.

Plus, not even Madonna considers her as the heir to her throne.  

[MadOnHer]

1 minute ago, GraceRandolph said:

Since when is artistic growth determined by album sales? 

If you actually read what I said, I clearly pointed out that both her second and third albums were considered artistic improvements to their predecessors! The fact that they were also commercially more successful was a delighful bonus! 

[GraceRandolph]

1 minute ago, MadOnHer said:

If you actually read what I said, I clearly pointed out that both her second and third albums were considered artistic improvements to their predecessors! The fact that they were also commercially more successful was a delighful bonus! 

Ok, but what does this have to do with anything? Gaga is a totally different artist, and most people considered The Fame Monster and Born This Way to be artistic improvements over The Fame, and Chromatica to be an improvement over Joanne. Hardly anyone considers The Fame Gaga’s artistic opus even if it was an amazing success. Gaga has been fairly consistent her whole career, but pop culture has changed dramatically. Gaga has sung with Tony for instance since the Born This Way era, and has talked about wanting to be an actress for as long as she’s been in the public eye. Of course she might not be as “rebellious!!1!!1” as she was as she was as a 23 year old popstar making a name for herself, but who wouldn’t change and adapt to an industry that has changed more since her career began than it did during the first twenty years of Madonna’s career?

[MadOnHer]

9 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said:

Of course she might not be as “rebellious!!1!!1” as she was as she was as a 23 year old popstar making a name for herself, but who wouldn’t change and adapt to an industry that has changed more since her career began than it did during the first twenty years of Madonna’s career?

 

Well at least you agree that Gaga is a sell-out! 

[GraceRandolph]

1 minute ago, MadOnHer said:

 

Well at least you agree that Gaga is a sell-out! 

I don’t. Do you think you are on MadonnaNation? If Gaga is a sellout then so is every popstar. I think your lack of a thought out response really just highlights how your whole argument is just a pastiche of narratives from Madonna fans from their own cynical hive mind that is poorly researched and lacking any wit or insight into objective reality. 

[MadOnHer]

3 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said:

I don’t. Do you think you are on MadonnaNation? If Gaga is a sellout then so is every popstar. I think your lack of a thought out response really just highlights how your whole argument is just a pastiche of narratives from Madonna fans from their own cynical hive mind that is poorly researched and lacking any wit or insight into objective reality. 

You're projecting and simply describing yourself and a number of your fellow fans in this thread... 

[GraceRandolph]

1 minute ago, MadOnHer said:

You're projecting and simply describing yourself and a number of your fellow fans in this thread... 

Now you’re getting personal, as opposed to attacking a viewpoint. Reported!

[MadOnHer]

Just now, GraceRandolph said:

Now you’re getting personal, as opposed to attacking a viewpoint. Reported!

Wow, the total lack of self-awareness! 

[jim19911126]

On 4/21/2022 at 3:55 PM, duybeeGAshantiGA said:

Who needs to be the Queen of Pop when you are the Queen of the whole Entertainment industry ?

Totally