celeb news Johnny Depp vs. Amber Heard Trial

[worldwide angel]

the jurors not being sequestered is one thing but some of them sleeping through the trial…

 

ik amber and co. said she was going to appeal and i’m glad she is because this is quite ridiculous  

[tellem]

People doing all that over a man who admitted to hitting his wife 

Sarah Paulson supports Amber btw 

[Weld_E]

1 hour ago, worldwide angel said:

the jurors not being sequestered is one thing but some of them sleeping through the trial…

This.

 

Where is that user that labelled us conspiracy theorist for questioning how the jury reached their virdict?

[NausAllien]

I was FLOORED when she said they were dozing off. Apparently they were dozing off during video depositions (which were mostly Amber's) and as most of you know, unless they request a transcript, they didn't have access to the video depositions when deliberating (only to videos admitted as evidence, video depositions are considered witness testimony). This is honestly outrageous, although I'm starting to think it may be more common than we think.

 

 

 

[worldwide angel]

35 minutes ago, Weld_E said:

This.

 

Where is that user that labelled us conspiracy theorist for questioning how the jury reached their virdict?

sleeping during the trial just to go home and catch up via viral tik toks and youtube   

[Ari29]

On 6/6/2022 at 11:18 AM, hurricane326 said:

 

As for why she lost so intensely, I also agree that it should have been a bench trial, like the UK one was. Actual malice requires that Amber had to have outright lied, or shown recklessness when making claims that turned out to be false. Since Johnny did abuse her, she didn't lie, and therefore the standard was not met.

 

 

But she did and directly to the jury multiple times. This is the part that’s glossed over the most…not only how many times she lied but how brazen she was about it. 
 

How then was the jury supposed to find her to be a credible witness when she was lying to them about things they were hearing with their own ears. 
 

It was either believe her or believe their own ears. Amber sunk her case by trying to paint herself as the perfect victim, taking accountability for nothing despite evidence to the contrary. Johnny Depp should’ve lost this case as well but I said pages back that Amber supporters should calm down because it was clear as day she wasn’t going to win because of her unwillingness to be truthful. 
 

The tide didn’t really turn for her until she took the stand, I don’t know why this part is overlooked. 

[NausAllien]

1 minute ago, Ari29 said:

But she did and directly to the jury multiple times. This is the part that’s glossed over the most…not only how many times she lied but how brazen she was about it. 
 

How then was the jury supposed to find her to be a credible witness when she was lying to them about things they were hearing with their own ears. 
 

It was either believe her or believe their own ears. Amber sunk her case by trying to paint herself as the perfect victim, taking accountability for nothing despite evidence to the contrary. Johnny Depp should’ve lost this case as well but I said pages back that Amber supporters should calm down because it was clear as day she wasn’t going to win because of her unwillingness to be truthful. 
 

The tide didn’t really turn for her until she took the stand, I don’t know why this part is overlooked. 

 

That's not what ACTUAL MALICE means, and it doesn't apply to her testimony during this trial but to the statements Depp claimed were defamatory.

 

What Depp needed to prove is that she LIED when she said she wrote "then two years ago, I became a public figure representing domestic abuse, and I felt the full force of our culture’s wrath for women who speak out" and "I had the rare vantage point of seeing, in real time, how institutions protect men accused of abuse." And not only he needed to prove that she lied when she said those things but she also did it KNOWINGLY / WITH AWARENESS that she was lying, or a wanton disregard for the truth. That's what actual malice means.

 

[Ari29]

1 minute ago, hurricane326 said:

I was referring to the op-ed, which ideally would have remained the focus of the trial but oh well

 

I completely agree! She admitted the op-ed was about Johnny, and yes, she did lie; mainly the Kate Moss allegation was very damaging towards the end of the trial. Regardless, I'm not sure the outcome would've been different if she mostly remained silent. That's possibly the only compelling point that Depp supporters make is why she felt the need to lie about some things, when the case stood a MUCH better chance in her favor if she didn't. To me that speaks for toxicity on both sides, as much as that's an unpopular standpoint. 

The moment I knew it was over for her was when she talked down to the jury about pledges and donations. She was clearly lying, got caught and instead of being honest she looked to the jury and said, “that’s how donations work”. It was so smug and off putting I knew she had lost them. 
 

If she would’ve been honest, yes it would’ve made her look slightly manipulative, but I think there was a path for her lawyers to clean it up on re-direct but she really was a terrible witness…this  was also a key difference to the uk trial that keeps being referenced 

[Ari29]

6 minutes ago, NausAllien said:

 

That's not what ACTUAL MALICE means, and it doesn't apply to her testimony during this trial but to the statements Depp claimed were defamatory.

 

What Depp needed to prove is that she LIED when she said she wrote "then two years ago, I became a public figure representing domestic abuse, and I felt the full force of our culture’s wrath for women who speak out" and "I had the rare vantage point of seeing, in real time, how institutions protect men accused of abuse." And not only he needed to prove that she lied when she said those things but she also did it KNOWINGLY / WITH AWARENESS that she was lying, or a wanton disregard for the truth. That's what actual malice means.

 

I know that. But do you actually think her lying to them is mutually exclusive to how they voted, especially when you look at the punitive damages they assigned?

[Raiden]

2 minutes ago, Ari29 said:

I know that. But do you actually think her lying to them is mutually exclusive to how they voted, especially when you look at the punitive damages they assigned?

You're absolutely spot-on that AH's testimony was one of the most crucial aspects of this case. That's the benefit of jury trials. The jury wants to know who they are condemning. Whether that person is merely "decent and wrong" or whether that is an unrepentant and belligerent bad faith actor. To the shock and amazement of everyone, including most importantly the jury, AH confirmed the worst fears about what kind of a person she was. Even the smallest details matter here — like her spat with Elaine, and her general cold interaction with just about everyone in the courtroom. The inauthentic poses and gestures also didn't help her (like performatively turning her face towards the right (to the jury) when she is about to answer a question, instead of behaving like a normal person and looking straight to the man or woman asking her.

 

And here's the beauty of Camile Vasquez: she called AH out even on this minor thing — such a kickass lawyer. She literally didn't allow AH to get away with anything. She was all over AH like piranha.

 

 

 

[Raiden]

Holy sh*t — that was quick

 

 

Edited June 7, 2022 by Raiden

[Weld_E]

34 minutes ago, Raiden said:

her spat with Elaine, and her general cold interaction with just about everyone in the courtroom. The inauthentic poses and gestures also didn't help her (like performatively turning her face towards the right (to the jury) when she is about to answer a question, instead of behaving like a normal person and looking straight to the man or woman asking her.

All of this is IRRELEVANT to the case and what she was being sued for. None of what you listed diminish the evidence of Depp admitting to his abuse (on record and in writing), which is enough to make her win. But I guess it’s easier to overlook that, and focus instead on the things you listed to justify your disdain for Amber, even though none of what you listed compares to Depp slurring during his testimony,  LAUGHING when his deranged texts were read, and claiming he did not write those texts (which was by far the dumbest lie told in the entire trial). 

 

40 minutes ago, Raiden said:

Camile Vasquez: she called AH out even on this minor thing — such a kickass lawyer. She literally didn't allow AH to get away with anything. She was all over AH like piranha

Camile’s main strategy was to make people dislike Amber as that would’ve made it easier to discredit her. Most of what she called Amber out on (like the donations or the fact that Ambers friends weren’t in the court room) was irrelevant to what Depp was suing her for. I guess she didn’t have enough relevant material to work with though, hence why she resorted to such cheap low blows.

[Raiden]

2 hours ago, Weld_E said:

All of this is IRRELEVANT to the case and what she was being sued for. None of what you listed diminish the evidence of Depp admitting to his abuse (on record and in writing), which is enough to make her win. But I guess it’s easier to overlook that, and focus instead on the things you listed to justify your disdain for Amber, even though none of what you listed compares to Depp slurring during his testimony,  LAUGHING when his deranged texts were read, and claiming he did not write those texts (which was by far the dumbest lie told in the entire trial). 

 

Camile’s main strategy was to make people dislike Amber as that would’ve made it easier to discredit her. Most of what she called Amber out on (like the donations or the fact that Ambers friends weren’t in the court room) was irrelevant to what Depp was suing her for. I guess she didn’t have enough relevant material to work with though, hence why she resorted to such cheap low blows.

Wrong. JD didn't admit ANY abuse on tape — that's kinda the whole point why he won the defamation suit.

 

One instance of admitted abuse would have been enough to tank his case. He only admitted to his forehead touching her forehead in one of their supposed heated arguments (that's not what domestic abuse means).

 

The overall picture that the jury must have taken from their arguments and spats is that she was in fact too often his equal or even the aggressor — she was the starter of many of the arguments. She dared him to do this and that. She was also the one constantly taunting and escalating (in one such case she admits she can't help but be aggressive, refusing to pledge to be nonviolent). While he in fact took various measures to de-escalate, promising and also demanding truce. Like one of the cases he locks himself up in one of the rooms while she chases him around. That's not how a real DV victim behaves. Such a victim would be relived when their aggressor goes away from them. AH failed to give any impression that she wanted to get away from JD (something that DV victims do feel constantly). Instead time after time in the various recordings it's she who is coming to wherever he was. She sets up her audio or camera, gets closer to him and then (probably whispering "action" for all we know) starts chatting him up, getting under his skin.

 

That's the overall impression from her recordings. That she was in control, rather than being a helpless victim at the mercy of a powerful individual. No doubt the jury also felt that discrepancy between her accusations and the impression made by all the various audio and video recordings. All of the tapes completely failed to portray this picture of a supposed monster terrifying a damsel in distress. Not one second of the recordings indicated that she was genuinely afraid of him. Even when he was banging on the kitchen cupboards she was so casual. I mean who the f*ck flips out a phone when someone is banging and smashing everything in your kitchen? You live in that house — it's your own damn stuff even if not all of it. AH should have either freaked out and ran away to cops or else that was one moment that she actually had license to threaten him or yell at him to stop. Instead she appears to be amused and in chatty philosophical mode like a nanny talking to a baby, while fiddling with her phone cam to make sure it was all captured. It was like as if she didn't want him to stop, and was already thinking of TMZ right at that moment. In fact she was fidgeting with her phone so constantly that JD ended up noticing he was being recorded — leading him to come over and knock or switch it off.

Edited June 7, 2022 by Raiden

[NausAllien]

31 minutes ago, Weld_E said:

Camile’s main strategy was to make people dislike Amber as that would’ve made it easier to discredit her. Most of what she called Amber out on (like the donations or the fact that Ambers friends weren’t in the court room) was irrelevant to what Depp was suing her for. I guess she didn’t have enough relevant material to work with though, hence why she resorted to such cheap low blows.

The sad part is that it worked. Probably because jurors are as DUMB and BIASED as some users here. Instead of carefully considering all the evidence and the law, they decided to pass on a verdict 100% based on their FEELINGS. It just makes me glad jury trials are really rare in my country, and inexistent in civil trials. I can't imagine what made lawmakers think common folk were qualified to decide on these matters.

 

At the very least it should be mandatory for jurors to ALWAYS be sequestered. That wouldn't fix the problem of jurors being too dumb to understand and uphold the law, but at least it should prevent them from being influenced by opinions outside the court room.

[Cz!]

1 hour ago, Raiden said:

Holy sh*t — that was quick

 

 

We love seeing talented women succeed.

[Ferret]

1 hour ago, Raiden said:

Holy sh*t — that was quick

 

 

Deserved 

[Summerboy95]

1 hour ago, Raiden said:

Holy sh*t — that was quick

 

 

Feminist LEGEND 

[305]

2 hours ago, Raiden said:

Holy sh*t — that was quick

 

 

queen ****

[Death On Two Legs]

Can this thread just be closed? This is over. Heard supporters just keep going in circles, and posting bs tweets trying to come up with some false narrative that Heard is the victim. It was already pointed out by too many that the judge in the UK trial was biased, and refused the evidence. Heard also perjured herself by lying about donating the $7 million she extorted from Johnny to charity. Heard supporters have continuously bumped this thread - get a job and find something to do. All all the overwhelming evidence - how in the hell do you continuously, and vigorously defend a woman with zero evidence proving that she was physically assaulting by Depp? I’m a woman, and if my ****** was r apped by a bottle, I would seek immediate medical attention. Heard claim to have been beaten so bad by Depp with rings on his fingers, that she was left with two black eyes, a broken nose, busted lip and a swollen face. Yet appeared the very next day on the James Corden show looking like a 90’s supermodel with zero injuries to her face.
 

The same ole man haters circle jerking, and continuing to defame a man that has won what is a very difficult case to prove. Heard kept beating Johnny, chased him around his homes, and wouldn’t let him leave. She is literally on tape admitting to physically abusing Johnny, and starting the fights. The quote heard from around the world is Heard telling Johnny: Tell the world, Johnny. Tell the world that you are a victim of domestic violence and see how many people believe you. Humiliated and cursed him out on recordings by telling him to suck her d**k, calling him a washed up POS and cackling like a demon from hell. No legit victim of domestic violence would goad their abuser, trap and stop him from leaving. Heard: I was not punching you. I was hitting you. Babe, you’re not punched. Grow the *** up. 
 

Heard told every lie on the stand - even with all of the evidence presented to rebuff each and every lie she told. These Heard supporters clearly did not follow this case, because I don’t see how anyone could continue to side with Heard. And if some of them did follow this case, yet still believe Heard just shows that once again make victims of domestic violence are not to be believed because they are men. Heard verbally assaulting Johnny:
 

Get over yourselves and move the *** on. This is over. Yeah I’m gonna tell my abuser to suck my d**k, belittle his career, call him a joke, a sellout and washed up. Real victims of domestic violence would never speak to their abuser the way Heard spoke to Johnny. They walk on eggshells, and do what they can not to set off their abuser. Intentional bed sh*tter Heard is one dangerous and terrifying person.  

Edited June 7, 2022 by Death On Two Legs

[Death On Two Legs]

2 hours ago, Raiden said:

Holy sh*t — that was quick

 

 

[bunton]

1 hour ago, Death On Two Legs said:

Can this thread just be closed? This is over. Heard supporters just keep going in circles, and posting bs tweets trying to come up with some false narrative that Heard is the victim. It was already pointed out by too many that the judge in the UK trial was biased, and refused the evidence. Heard also perjured herself by lying about donating the $7 million she extorted from Johnny to charity. Heard supporters have continuously bumped this thread - get a job and find something to do. All all the overwhelming evidence - how in the hell do you continuously, and vigorously defend a woman with zero evidence proving that she was physically assaulting by Depp? I’m a woman, and if my ****** was r apped by a bottle, I would seek immediate medical attention. Heard claim to have been beaten so bad by Depp with rings on his fingers, that she was left with two black eyes, a broken nose, busted lip and a swollen face. Yet appeared the very next day on the James Corden show looking like a 90’s supermodel with zero injuries to her face.
 

The same ole man haters circle jerking, and continuing to defame a man that has won what is a very difficult case to prove. Heard kept beating Johnny, chased him around his homes, and wouldn’t let him leave. She is literally on tape admitting to physically abusing Johnny, and starting the fights. The quote heard from around the world is Heard telling Johnny: Tell the world, Johnny. Tell the world that you are a victim of domestic violence and see how many people believe you. Humiliated and cursed him out on recordings by telling him to suck her d**k, calling him a washed up POS and cackling like a demon from hell. No legit victim of domestic violence would goad their abuser, trap and stop him from leaving. Heard: I was not punching you. I was hitting you. Babe, you’re not punched. Grow the *** up. 
 

Heard told every lie on the stand - even with all of the evidence presented to rebuff each and every lie she told. These Heard supporters clearly did not follow this case, because I don’t see how anyone could continue to side with Heard. And if some of them did follow this case, yet still believe Heard just shows that once again make victims of domestic violence are not to be believed because they are men. Heard verbally assaulting Johnny:
 

Get over yourselves and move the *** on. This is over. Yeah I’m gonna tell my abuser to suck my d**k, belittle his career, call him a joke, a sellout and washed up. Real victims of domestic violence would never speak to their abuser the way Heard spoke to Johnny. They walk on eggshells, and do what they can not to set off their abuser. Intentional bed sh*tter Heard is one dangerous and terrifying person.  

[TheSoneNavy]

1 hour ago, Death On Two Legs said:

Can this thread just be closed? This is over. Heard supporters just keep going in circles, and posting bs tweets trying to come up with some false narrative that Heard is the victim. It was already pointed out by too many that the judge in the UK trial was biased, and refused the evidence. Heard also perjured herself by lying about donating the $7 million she extorted from Johnny to charity. Heard supporters have continuously bumped this thread - get a job and find something to do. All all the overwhelming evidence - how in the hell do you continuously, and vigorously defend a woman with zero evidence proving that she was physically assaulting by Depp? I’m a woman, and if my ****** was r apped by a bottle, I would seek immediate medical attention. Heard claim to have been beaten so bad by Depp with rings on his fingers, that she was left with two black eyes, a broken nose, busted lip and a swollen face. Yet appeared the very next day on the James Corden show looking like a 90’s supermodel with zero injuries to her face.
 

The same ole man haters circle jerking, and continuing to defame a man that has won what is a very difficult case to prove. Heard kept beating Johnny, chased him around his homes, and wouldn’t let him leave. She is literally on tape admitting to physically abusing Johnny, and starting the fights. The quote heard from around the world is Heard telling Johnny: Tell the world, Johnny. Tell the world that you are a victim of domestic violence and see how many people believe you. Humiliated and cursed him out on recordings by telling him to suck her d**k, calling him a washed up POS and cackling like a demon from hell. No legit victim of domestic violence would goad their abuser, trap and stop him from leaving. Heard: I was not punching you. I was hitting you. Babe, you’re not punched. Grow the *** up. 
 

Heard told every lie on the stand - even with all of the evidence presented to rebuff each and every lie she told. These Heard supporters clearly did not follow this case, because I don’t see how anyone could continue to side with Heard. And if some of them did follow this case, yet still believe Heard just shows that once again make victims of domestic violence are not to be believed because they are men. Heard verbally assaulting Johnny:
 

Get over yourselves and move the *** on. This is over. Yeah I’m gonna tell my abuser to suck my d**k, belittle his career, call him a joke, a sellout and washed up. Real victims of domestic violence would never speak to their abuser the way Heard spoke to Johnny. They walk on eggshells, and do what they can not to set off their abuser. Intentional bed sh*tter Heard is one dangerous and terrifying person.  

[Darkgalord]

1 hour ago, Death On Two Legs said:

Can this thread just be closed? This is over. Heard supporters just keep going in circles, and posting bs tweets trying to come up with some false narrative that Heard is the victim. It was already pointed out by too many that the judge in the UK trial was biased, and refused the evidence. Heard also perjured herself by lying about donating the $7 million she extorted from Johnny to charity. Heard supporters have continuously bumped this thread - get a job and find something to do. All all the overwhelming evidence - how in the hell do you continuously, and vigorously defend a woman with zero evidence proving that she was physically assaulting by Depp? I’m a woman, and if my ****** was r apped by a bottle, I would seek immediate medical attention. Heard claim to have been beaten so bad by Depp with rings on his fingers, that she was left with two black eyes, a broken nose, busted lip and a swollen face. Yet appeared the very next day on the James Corden show looking like a 90’s supermodel with zero injuries to her face.
 

The same ole man haters circle jerking, and continuing to defame a man that has won what is a very difficult case to prove. Heard kept beating Johnny, chased him around his homes, and wouldn’t let him leave. She is literally on tape admitting to physically abusing Johnny, and starting the fights. The quote heard from around the world is Heard telling Johnny: Tell the world, Johnny. Tell the world that you are a victim of domestic violence and see how many people believe you. Humiliated and cursed him out on recordings by telling him to suck her d**k, calling him a washed up POS and cackling like a demon from hell. No legit victim of domestic violence would goad their abuser, trap and stop him from leaving. Heard: I was not punching you. I was hitting you. Babe, you’re not punched. Grow the *** up. 
 

Heard told every lie on the stand - even with all of the evidence presented to rebuff each and every lie she told. These Heard supporters clearly did not follow this case, because I don’t see how anyone could continue to side with Heard. And if some of them did follow this case, yet still believe Heard just shows that once again make victims of domestic violence are not to be believed because they are men. Heard verbally assaulting Johnny:
 

Get over yourselves and move the *** on. This is over. Yeah I’m gonna tell my abuser to suck my d**k, belittle his career, call him a joke, a sellout and washed up. Real victims of domestic violence would never speak to their abuser the way Heard spoke to Johnny. They walk on eggshells, and do what they can not to set off their abuser. Intentional bed sh*tter Heard is one dangerous and terrifying person.  

[kawk]

4 hours ago, Raiden said:

Holy sh*t — that was quick

 

 

QUEEN EARNED IT 

 

meanwhile Elaine remains jobless and in denial 

[Communion]

2 hours ago, Death On Two Legs said:

 Real victims of domestic violence would never speak to their abuser the way Heard spoke to Johnny. They walk on eggshells, and do what they can not to set off their abuser

This whole post is criminally wrong and warnable on misinformation alone.  This part in particular is like frighteningly wrong by just observed fact. You're so angry and resentful to those who get abused. Why?