celeb news Johnny Depp vs. Amber Heard Trial

[brazil]

9 minutes ago, Cloudy said:

I mean the other day a football player was not convicted even tho he straight brutally killed a gay man who he had hooked up with and people were celebrating, if that doesn't tell you how flawed the US justice is I don't know what to tell you

Yeah, its literally a system designed to have decisions based on emotions and personal opinions rather than facts, evidence and the law.

[Cloudy]

1 minute ago, brazil said:

Yeah, its literally a system designed to have decisions based on emotions and personal opinions rather than facts, evidence and the law.

Being from a country of civil law it's so apparent to me how flawed the jury and common law system is (not that civil law is perfect, but I don't know I feel that there's much more security and accuracy in the veredicts). Juries are very rarely used in my country because there's this perception that it's a pretty flawed system and there's not really a need if you follow the law

[Communion]

2 hours ago, Raiden said:

There is a timeline — one trial took place at a later moment than the other, therefore had an updated fuller picture.

 

 

An updated picture?

 

Much of the evidence submitted stayed the same - much of Depp's evidence though was thrown out and dismissed as a character attack by the UK judge who instead reiterated that Depp needed to dispel the idea that he was a wife-beater, not that his wife was shitty (aka why he dismissed ~shitgate~ as salacious nonsense easily explained by a sick pet)? 

 

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In both the UK and the US trial, Mr Depp's lawyers argued that Ms Heard was lying - to make their case, they attacked her character and claimed that she was in fact the abusive partner.

 

This is a common defence tactic in sexual assault and domestic violence trials called "deny, attack, and reverse victim and offender" or "Darvo", said Mr Stephens.

 

The strategy turns the tables on the alleged victim, shifting the conversation away from "did the accused commit abuse" to "is the alleged victim believable".

 

"They deny that they did anything, they deny they're the real perpetrator, and they attack the credibility of the individual calling out the abuse, and then reverse the roles of the victim and the offender," Mr Stephens said.

 

In the UK trial, Mr Stephens said the judge recognised that strategy, and dismissed a lot of the evidence that did not directly address whether Mr Depp committed assault or not.

 

"Lawyers and judges tend not to fall for it, but it's very, very effective against juries," he said. Men are more likely to believe Darvo arguments, but female jurors are also susceptible.

 

"People have a paradigm in their mind of how a victim of abuse might be like and how they might behave, and of course we all know that's often false."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61673676

Edited June 3, 2022 by Communion

[Headlock]

2 hours ago, Raiden said:

We're all thinking it — we know AH is gonna cheat again — it's in her nature.

 

 

 

 

 

Meanwhile, look at this sweet and gentle soul — caring for all, for man and animal alike

 

.... while others prefer to pass the blame on defenceless four-legged creatures — use them only for dirty purposes such as a false alibi in #mepoo pranks.

Glad your mask has fully come off I guess 

[KeshaSwift]

5 hours ago, Raw Honey said:

The hostility in here like it's a pop girl thread

 

Patient Zero insisting that they are unbiased every day only to constantly drag one side and one side only 

 

User KeshaSwift having no sympathy in this whatsoever

 

Lock this thread honestly.

Why will I have sympathy for a certified abuser? and as if Kesha's case is comparable  get out of this thread if you're too sensitive.

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OT: How do y'all think the abuser's gonna pay that much money? 

Edited June 3, 2022 by KeshaSwift

[Communion]

5 hours ago, Patient Zero said:

i’m sure Depp hit her, in one way or another. That does make him technically a wife beater.

 

Amber exaggerated their conflict to defame him.

I hope you realize how harrowing it is for people who've experienced DV to see you be able to say this so nonchalantly like as though you're listing the weather and there's no absurdity in your view regarding saying things like "Did he beat her around a few good times? Probably lol, but.." .

 

Even if you don't personally agree, it should be easy for literally anyone who's not a sociopath to understand why for many people it's irrelevant if Amber was annoying or if she had a histrionic personality type or if she felt her emotions greatly and came off whiny or if she was bratty or if she cheated (spoiler: you don't get to beat someone who cheats on you) - and that none of that matters the moment he put his hands on her repeatedly and assaulted her.

 

Whipping the phone at her face, that her friends say happened. Kicking her because she was annoying him on his plane, that his assistant said happened. Headbutting her in the face that he admitted to on the phone when scolding her that it possibly couldn't have hurt as much as she felt. Crushing her toes under the door, to which he later apologized for. The bald spot and split lip her makeup artist saw from him pulling her hair. Him charging at her and Whitney and knocking Whitney down that both Whitney and even his security said happened. Literally all of this alone shows he's an abuser and I don't care nor am persuaded over if she made funny ugly cringe faces on the stand. Being an annoying whiny ***** doesn't mean someone deserves to get beaten.

Edited June 3, 2022 by Communion

[Communion]

2 minutes ago, KeshaSwift said:

as if Kesha's case is comparable  

I hope you realize the same laws that helped Depp win will be what helps Luke win his defamation case. 

[rzal]

8 minutes ago, KeshaSwift said:

Why will I have sympathy for a certified abuser? and as if Kesha's case is comparable  get out of this thread if you're too sensitive.

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OT: How do y'all think the abuser's gonna pay that much money? 

Amber has much more evidence and witnesses than Kesha and still lost  

[Daydream]

The fact that the Little Heardsters are deflecting by trying to accuse the jury of misconduct and talking about cases irrelevant to this case like Kesha and football players. They really are grasping at straws because they known damn well there is no way to justify Amber’s awful actions.

 

Thank you to the wonderful jury and the US judicial system for doing the right thing.

[KeshaSwift]

6 minutes ago, Communion said:

I hope you realize the same laws that helped Depp win will be what helps Luke win his defamation case. 

Whatever happens with him isn;t relavent. Amber was proved to be an abuser and a liar throughout this whole trial and before it began.

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OT: Glad to see the GP resonated with the TRUTH 

[KeshaSwift]

1 minute ago, Daydream said:

The fact that the Little Heardsters are deflecting by trying to accuse the jury of misconduct and talking about cases irrelevant to this case like Kesha and football players. They really are grasping at straws because they known damn well there is no way to justify Amber’s awful actions.

 

Thank you to the wonderful jury and the US judicial system for doing the right thing.

THIS! 

2 minutes ago, rzal said:

Amber has much more evidence and witnesses than Kesha and still lost  

What substantial evidence did mis Heard has? A video of her smirking while Johnny is banging cabinets after his mom died? or her testimony from 2016 when she is seen eating cookies and rolling eyes?

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OT:

Justive has been served, finally 

[Simple]

Even though I think Amber is the abuser and 100% with Depp but I kind of feel bad for her. She lost the case and the respect of the people, who'll want Amber in their movie or as the face of a brand anymore? How will she pay the 15M ? 

 

 

[Ari29]

37 minutes ago, brazil said:

Yeah, its literally a system designed to have decisions based on emotions and personal opinions rather than facts, evidence and the law.

The Kyle Rittenhouse acquittal stands in direct contrast to this opinion. The prosecutor overplayed their hand using the emotional angle of BLM being the backdrop of the shootings…and facts, evidence and the law is the reason he got off. 

[Gaia]

The way everyone I know is happy that demon lost. The world is healing

[wehavetostan]

14 minutes ago, KeshaSwift said:

Why will I have sympathy for a certified abuser? and as if Kesha's case is comparable  get out of this thread if you're too sensitive.

Imagine saying this when, just like in this case, Dr. Luke has been trying to get Kesha’s crucial evidence dismissed in the courts. This case and the actions of Depp’s team can be used as a blueprint to suppress evidence. And in Kesha’s case, her evidence is older so there are already some limitations to it.

[Gaia]

2 minutes ago, KeshaSwift said:

THIS! 

What substantial evidence did mis Heard has? A video of her smirking while Johnny is banging cabinets after his mom died? or her testimony from 2016 when she is seen eating cookies and rolling eyes?

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OT:

Justive has been served, finally 

It’s absurd their “overwhelming evidence” is “so and so said xxx happened”

 

If he was consistently abusing her, and to the point where she feared for her life, there would be more concrete evidence. The fact that even police didn’t see any abuse/bruise markings on her face after proclaiming to be beaten by Johnny, but no they’ll ignore that. They’ll rather stick with hearsay. 

[Daydream]

2 minutes ago, Simple said:

Even though I think Amber is the abuser and 100% with Depp but I kind of feel bad for her. She lost the case and the respect of the people, who'll want Amber in their movie or as the face of a brand anymore? How will she pay the 15M ? 

She will probably have to give him everything she has at the moment, then file for bankruptcy and then an order will be put in place so that any income she receives going forward has to go straight to Johnny until the debt is paid off.

 

As far as where she’s gonna get that income, she either gets a normal job since Hollywood won’t touch her again, or she aims to profit off the sheep who do believe her (i.e. some of these ATRLers ) by releasing a ‘tell-all book’ and podcast. There’s not many options for her to go down.

[rzal]

1 minute ago, KeshaSwift said:

THIS! 

What substantial evidence did mis Heard has? A video of her smirking while Johnny is banging cabinets after his mom died? or her testimony from 2016 when she is seen eating cookies and rolling eyes?

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OT:

Justive has been served, finally 

I'm sure the jury will love Kesha's under oath testimony that nothing happened to her if you think eating cookies is bad   You're delusional if you think their cases are so different. 

 

 

[brazil]

9 minutes ago, Ari29 said:

The Kyle Rittenhouse acquittal stands in direct contrast to this opinion. The prosecutor overplayed their hand using the emotional angle of BLM being the backdrop of the shootings…and facts, evidence and the law is the reason he got off. 

Of course you're a Kyle Rittenhouse supporter too, emotions and opinions can play either way. But I agree that prosecutors in the US are part of the problem of the US judicial system, they too should aim to get the facts out rather than simply going for convictions regardless.

Edited June 3, 2022 by brazil

[Chris]

7 hours ago, Patient Zero said:

The Amber cult still in denial phase. The law has decided. Time to move on and wait fo the appeal (to get rejected) 

Objection.

 

Hearsay.

[brazil]

9 minutes ago, KeshaSwift said:

THIS! 

What substantial evidence did mis Heard has? A video of her smirking while Johnny is banging cabinets after his mom died? or her testimony from 2016 when she is seen eating cookies and rolling eyes?

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OT:

Justive has been served, finally 

There are literally countless texts from hin apologizing, saying he becomes a monster and won't do it again, all that align with the timeline of abuses she described.

[Chris]

Do you guys HAVE to mention the Kesha case?

 

[Communion]

9 minutes ago, KeshaSwift said:

What substantial evidence did mis Heard has?

Witness testimony of people observing Depp assaulting her or Depp admitting to them that he hit her, even from Depp's witnesses, along with photographs of her injuries. 

 

*insert Depp fanatics going "well if he hit her with his phone, it couldn't have hurt that hard if it let a small red welt on her cheek and not a big black and blue bruise!!!!!" *

[KeshaSwift]

5 minutes ago, rzal said:

I'm sure the jury will love Kesha's under oath testimony that nothing happened to her if you think eating cookies is bad   You're delusional if you think their cases are so different. 

 

 

Your comment is out of context and ignorant. Dont @ or "" me , my mind won't change as it should - since there are many evidences against her here.

3 minutes ago, brazil said:

There are literally countless texts from hin apologizing, saying he becomes a monster and won't do it again, all that align with the timeline of abuses she described.

This text can be interpreted a thousand different ways, not neccesserily to physical violence. 

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OT: the fans of the abuser can start a kickstarter for her or smth to enable her to pay the fees 

Edited June 3, 2022 by KeshaSwift

[Ari29]

5 minutes ago, brazil said:

Of course you're a Kyle Rittenhouse supporter too, emotions and opinions can play either way. But I agree that prosecutors in the US are part of the problem of the US judicial system, they too should aim to get the facts out rather than simply going for convictions regardless.

What’s with the assumptions? I didn’t say I agreed with the acquittal I used it as an example that the US courts do go by facts, evidence and the law…sometimes to a fault. 
 

But yes I agree to an extent with you about prosecutors