Communion Posted March 24 Posted March 24 (edited) 3 hours ago, Harrier said: God you are such an strange individual, constantly trying to use idpol to score points even though you and I are both white men as far as I know. Yeah yeah yeah I'm a racist bcause I don't love Brianna politically, even though most of my post was dragging Jimmy Dore not her, and I acknowledged that Brianna is a more nuanced figure. It's not even about her 3rd party support - I don't realy care about that - I have long taken issue with her past work with Dore, who I have immense disaste for, and other Dore adjacent figures. But she has gotten better, as I acknowledged. ย But you still got to hit me with a ridiculously lengthy wall of tweets which don't really speak to my my negative view of her - which is that she has an emphasis problem. A few tweets over years don't speak to that. And then you just haveย to frame me as some kinda evil hater of black women, or whatever, in your typically cringe and over the top manner. And that is after randomly dregding up old posts of mine when I wasn't egen part of this conversation.ย Get a hobby, seriously I'm sorry but you're trying to literally weasel out of the nefariousness of posts *you* willingly made. ย No one has issue with you "not politically loving" someone. You didn't just mention BJG. You made a clear implication she, as a black woman, loved a white supremacist.ย This whole interaction started because of Redstreak making the same weird implication that directly targeted a progressive black woman as somehow pro-Trump. ย The criticisms are not just "I don't agree with leftists" or "Leftists may not vote or will vote 3rd party but I believe it's important to vote for Biden". ย It's an explicitly hypocritical framing that - by virtue of voting 3rd party - leftists somehow are "dirtbags", "edgy", and directly "pro-Trump". "Horseshoe!!!" This line attack itself betraying self-proclaimed liberal values of identity politics and showing how liberals do not view identity in a material way. ย Your post lodging the same dishonest left-punching was not only the 2nd post that came up when searching Briahna's name but was just from last month. This line of attack made worse given your documented defense of radical centrists attacking people on the margins of society and participating in "anti-wokism". ย Wanna know what makes someone a dirtbag? Being a white millionaire who villainies homeless people & those battling addiction as crime-ridden and dirty. Wanna know what makes someone a dirtbag? Being an elected Democrat and trying to pass the most far-right, anti-immigration bill in 30 years. ย We are only talking about facets of identity because that is what you have left to try and defend centrism and yet your hypocrisies betray you. ย Again, I do not care if actual Americans, especially those who are poor or come from a marginalized identity, feel helpless and see voting for Biden as the only way to stop Trump. What will not work, however, is the baseless assertion that somehow this is an inherently virtuous and moral action and those to your left who opt out of it are somehow committing some moral failure rooted in bigotry. I'm not going to listen to claims that voting for Green Party "hurts minorities" from rich millionaires who tweet out that they wish homeless people were dead.ย Edited March 24 by Communion 1
ZeroSuitBritney Posted March 24 Posted March 24 Daily reminder that Biden is a genocidal freak and is would rather lose protecting Israel than win protecting indigenous people of color xoxoย 3 3
Vermillion Posted March 24 Posted March 24 Trump's last lifelineย toย get the money he needed in time for Letitia was this Truth Social merger, and now that window looks to be gone ย She comes for the ~$464M bond tomorrow. Westchester Country Club and Silver Springs estate first on the chopping block. ย ย 1
GhostBox Posted March 24 Posted March 24 1 hour ago, Espresso said: ย ย ย They really are hoping everyone just has amnesia of the Trump years now. And to an extent they do. But the more they lie the more people will be reminded of those years with clips like that.ย
Redstreak Posted March 24 Posted March 24 I'm sorry one of the leaders of an entire political campaign in 2020 is a niche online figure? ๐
Redstreak Posted March 24 Posted March 24 5 hours ago, Communion said: I'm sorry but you're trying to literally weasel out of the nefariousness of posts *you* willingly made. ย No one has issue with you "not politically loving" someone. You didn't just mention BJG. You made a clear implication she, as a black woman, loved a white supremacist.ย This whole interaction started because of Redstreak making the same weird implication that directly targeted a progressive black woman as somehow pro-Trump. ย The criticisms are not just "I don't agree with leftists" or "Leftists may not vote or will vote 3rd party but I believe it's important to vote for Biden". ย It's an explicitly hypocritical framing that - by virtue of voting 3rd party - leftists somehow are "dirtbags", "edgy", and directly "pro-Trump". "Horseshoe!!!" This line attack itself betraying self-proclaimed liberal values of identity politics and showing how liberals do not view identity in a material way. ย Your post lodging the same dishonest left-punching was not only the 2nd post that came up when searching Briahna's name but was just from last month. This line of attack made worse given your documented defense of radical centrists attacking people on the margins of society and participating in "anti-wokism". ย Wanna know what makes someone a dirtbag? Being a white millionaire who villainies homeless people & those battling addiction as crime-ridden and dirty. Wanna know what makes someone a dirtbag? Being an elected Democrat and trying to pass the most far-right, anti-immigration bill in 30 years. ย We are only talking about facets of identity because that is what you have left to try and defend centrism and yet your hypocrisies betray you. ย Again, I do not care if actual Americans, especially those who are poor or come from a marginalized identity, feel helpless and see voting for Biden as the only way to stop Trump. What will not work, however, is the baseless assertion that somehow this is an inherently virtuous and moral action and those to your left who opt out of it are somehow committing some moral failure rooted in bigotry. I'm not going to listen to claims that voting for Green Party "hurts minorities" from rich millionaires who tweet out that they wish homeless people were dead.ย I can't wait see the soon to be defense of Candace Owens with this logic 1
Communion Posted March 24 Posted March 24 3 minutes ago, Redstreak said: I'm sorry one of the leaders of an entire political campaign in 2020 is a niche online figure? ๐ List the press secretaries for the following campaigns without googling. If you have to Google, then also share their current social media following in figures: ย Hillary Clinton, 2016 Bernie Sanders, 2016 Hillary Clinton, 2008 John Kerry, 2004 John Edwards, 2004 Al Gore, 2000
Communion Posted March 24 Posted March 24 5 minutes ago, Redstreak said: I can't wait see the soon to be defense of Candace Owens with this logic "Defending a black woman who votes for Jill Stein over Biden because Biden thinks poor people shouldn't have healthcare is the same as defending a black woman who'd vote for Donald Trump over Biden because she thinks poor black people are illiterate and that Dems cater too much to queers and migrants" ย ....?
Gottasadae Posted March 24 Posted March 24 So far, all latest polls from NC only have Trump +2-3 points lead. It's a good tendencies for Biden, his team should completely ditch Florida, since it's a waste of money/energy and concentrate on states like NC insteadย ย ย 1
ClashAndBurn Posted March 24 Posted March 24 8 hours ago, Espresso said: The notion of leftists not letting the Overton Window slide further to the right by accepting compromises from the centrists and center-right within the Democratic Party for the sake of electoral politics I appreciate being unpacked here and most times I want to engage in that discussion but when I see it on here I'm exhausted from life stuff so I don't. ย As for Briahna and Dore, to center so much of the energy of these conversations on the pundits themselves isโฆfrustrating. And insular. ย So many progressive pundits I used to follow have become ambulance chasers and contrarian clickbait. Until there's numbers on their actual influence that are concrete, it seems like a wasted analysis (and no, subscriber counts don't count - I'm talking translation into voters and national opinion sway on political and cultural subjects). ย Biden losing in November is already said here to be the start of a doubling down for Democrats to the right as opposed to the base, and people here use solid past examples to make that argument. My thing is, culturally, Trump is such a singular figure, and there's about, again, seven black swans attached to this election. ย Since I've already baked in a Biden loss, I think more of my focus will now be on the Senate, which I'm calling as a loss at the moment. The thing is, the Overton Window slides to the right regardless of a Biden win or loss? Why? Because Biden no longer has to pander for votes to get re-elected and he can revert to his proud ConservaDem roots all he wants. There will be no expectation of even having to deliver on legislative priorities either since the Senate is also most likely a lost cause. Biden himself even being the nominee all the way back in 2020, let alone president, is in itself proof of a massive shift of the Democratic Party electeds sliding very far to the right in contrast to where the voters are.
GhostBox Posted March 24 Posted March 24 57 minutes ago, Gottasadae said: So far, all latest polls from NC only have Trump +2-3 points lead. It's a good tendencies for Biden, his team should completely ditch Florida, since it's a waste of money/energy and concentrate on states like NC insteadย ย ย Yes!! Forget FL. Focus on the big 3 and AZ NC, and GA as well 1
Gottasadae Posted March 25 Posted March 25 34 minutes ago, GhostBox said: Yes!! Forget FL. Focus on the big 3 and AZ NC, and GA as well Exactly, I have no idea why they keep pushing for FL. Cubans ain't gonna vote for Biden anyway, same with russians, that all together has a lot of possible votes for Trump. Waste of money, periodtย 1
Harrier Posted March 25 Posted March 25 17 hours ago, Communion said: I'm sorry but you're trying to literally weasel out of the nefariousness of posts *you* willingly made. ย No one has issue with you "not politically loving" someone. You didn't just mention BJG. You made a clear implication she, as a black woman, loved a white supremacist.ย This whole interaction started because of Redstreak making the same weird implication that directly targeted a progressive black woman as somehow pro-Trump. ย The criticisms are not just "I don't agree with leftists" or "Leftists may not vote or will vote 3rd party but I believe it's important to vote for Biden". ย It's an explicitly hypocritical framing that - by virtue of voting 3rd party - leftists somehow are "dirtbags", "edgy", and directly "pro-Trump". "Horseshoe!!!" This line attack itself betraying self-proclaimed liberal values of identity politics and showing how liberals do not view identity in a material way. ย Your post lodging the same dishonest left-punching was not only the 2nd post that came up when searching Briahna's name but was just from last month. This line of attack made worse given your documented defense of radical centrists attacking people on the margins of society and participating in "anti-wokism". ย Wanna know what makes someone a dirtbag? Being a white millionaire who villainies homeless people & those battling addiction as crime-ridden and dirty. Wanna know what makes someone a dirtbag? Being an elected Democrat and trying to pass the most far-right, anti-immigration bill in 30 years. ย We are only talking about facets of identity because that is what you have left to try and defend centrism and yet your hypocrisies betray you. ย Again, I do not care if actual Americans, especially those who are poor or come from a marginalized identity, feel helpless and see voting for Biden as the only way to stop Trump. What will not work, however, is the baseless assertion that somehow this is an inherently virtuous and moral action and those to your left who opt out of it are somehow committing some moral failure rooted in bigotry. I'm not going to listen to claims that voting for Green Party "hurts minorities" from rich millionaires who tweet out that they wish homeless people were dead.ย I in no way have argued or have ever tried to imply that BJG is a Trump lover or heaven forbid a white supremacist. This should go without saying. ย Our conversations are no longer productive and are no doubt frustrating for other members, so it is time we stopped. You have no ability to read my posts without overlaying ridiculous interpretations. You often use me as some kind of proxy to argue against a caricature of a centrist that is both a strawman and also not what I actually am. You consistently attempt to villainise me as a racist while somehow at the same time arguing that I am the one doing empty idpol - even though I rarely talk about identity in much detail. But again, it's the empty centrist carcicature, not an actual person. ย You never, ever, straightforwardly argue against what me or frankly any other member posts, and it is utterly frustrating. Itย is also clear that your level of antipathy towards me has gotten disproportionate, from the number of times you've brought up old posts unprompted. ย I will be putting you ignore and I ask that you do the same. Peace.
thesegayz Posted March 25 Posted March 25 10 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said: The thing is, the Overton Window slides to the right regardless of a Biden win or loss? Why? Because Biden no longer has to pander for votes to get re-elected and he can revert to his proud ConservaDem roots all he wants. There will be no expectation of even having to deliver on legislative priorities either since the Senate is also most likely a lost cause. Biden himself even being the nominee all the way back in 2020, let alone president, is in itself proof of a massive shift of the Democratic Party electeds sliding very far to the right in contrast to where the voters are. So is Biden mentally handicapped or is he an evil genius where this is all according to his white supremacist plan? ย pick a lane.ย 2 1
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