ClashAndBurn Posted March 23 Posted March 23 Yeah, I don't think it's going to work this time. Genocide Joe doesn't deserve to win. 3
GhostBox Posted March 23 Posted March 23 2 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said: Yeah, I don't think it's going to work this time. Genocide Joe doesn't deserve to win. Cool. Enjoy Broke Don and Condo Jared 🎉
Redstreak Posted March 23 Posted March 23 2 hours ago, GhostBox said: Cool. Enjoy Broke Don and Condo Jared 🎉 I mean, they will, they're very much a Jimmy dore BJG type that never got past Bernie losing 1
ClashAndBurn Posted March 23 Posted March 23 3 hours ago, GhostBox said: Cool. Enjoy Broke Don and Condo Jared 🎉 There's genuinely zero material difference, but whatever. Genocide-supporting democrats deserve to have their rights stripped away anyway. 31 minutes ago, Redstreak said: I mean, they will, they're very much a Jimmy dore BJG type that never got past Bernie losing Why do you want to help Joe Biden continue to get erections over the deaths of Palestinian children? 1
Communion Posted March 23 Posted March 23 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Redstreak said: I mean, they will, they're very much a Jimmy dore BJG type that never got past Bernie losing It's so odd to see someone display the ability to have nuanced understandings of topics when faced with conservatives yet such completely goes out the window when faced with electoral politics and you find yourself randomly demonizing a progressive black woman whose politics you can't even seemingly.. summarize? This is why the whole "I'm not being a liberal! I'm not a blind partisan Democrat!!!" defenses are not believable because.. no one but insane Hillary Clinton supporters are acutely aware of the black woman who was a press secretary for Bernie Sanders in 2020 that they think she, as a black woman, represents some kind of immense political archetype of leftist, let alone one that should be apparently demonized? It's quite literally being a reactionary to hate Briahna Joy Gray for literally no reason that she's WOC who votes for the Green Party (in a blue state!). Is it socialism when liberal electoralism eclipses so much of your worldview that you hate people who vote 3rd party in a +D24 state? Edited March 23 by Communion
Communion Posted March 24 Posted March 24 (edited) Like I'm sorry but it's so obvious when people's politics are WHOLLY centered in and DEFINED by elections and electoral politics. It's the same people who somehow find themselves ALWAYS willing to throw support right-wing Dems taking issue with these figures. Just searching this thread for her name; On 2/2/2024 at 9:11 PM, Harrier said: I am not against non-voting anymore, but the assertion that Trump "can't be worse" is obviously untrue. Needlessly pushing a false and edgy narrative for the sake of looking as strident and unapolegetic as possible - as Briahna's fringe faction of the left loves to do. This same user quite literally defended Ana Kasparian in every recent controversy she has had - whether it was her smearing trans kids, attacking homeless people, pushing GOP crime propaganda. Not supporting right-wing Democrats in elections = "YOU'RE A SCUMBAG DIRTBAG EDGY LEFTIST WHO SECRETLY SUPPORTS TRUMP!!" Actively spreading far-right propaganda that demonizes minorities = "I'M TIRED OF THE LEFT EATING ITSELF ALIVE ATTACKING PEOPLe FOR BEING REASONABLE!!!" I'm sorry but I find the literal dehumanization of groups like poor people struggling with drug addiction - as if being addicted to drugs somehow makes it that someone deserves to be a victim of violence or homelessness - or queer people as somehow predatory to be more worthy offenses that perpetuate material harm than *checks notes* voting 3rd party. Thinking the act of voting - as long as it's for someone with a 'D' next to their name - is some radical material act that will then erase or magically make go away actual systems of harm, let alone when voting for the very people who perpetuate these systems is the kind of brain rot electoralism brings about and reveals the *privilege* of the average partisan voter. If I've literally seen you on here demonizing homeless people, I literally do not care what you feel about voting, voting for 3rd party, not voting, etc. Edited March 24 by Communion 1
Cesar Posted March 24 Posted March 24 Biden signing that spending bill, thats essentially anti-LGBT, anti-abortion & super pro-Israel… Yeah that man is definitely not seeing heaven 1
GhostBox Posted March 24 Posted March 24 3 hours ago, Caesar said: Biden signing that spending bill, thats essentially anti-LGBT, anti-abortion & super pro-Israel… Yeah that man is definitely not seeing heaven This is the most stupid thing I've read on here today 💀 1 1
Harrier Posted March 24 Posted March 24 5 hours ago, Communion said: Like I'm sorry but it's so obvious when people's politics are WHOLLY centered in and DEFINED by elections and electoral politics. It's the same people who somehow find themselves ALWAYS willing to throw support right-wing Dems taking issue with these figures. Just searching this thread for her name; This same user quite literally defended Ana Kasparian in every recent controversy she has had - whether it was her smearing trans kids, attacking homeless people, pushing GOP crime propaganda. Not supporting right-wing Democrats in elections = "YOU'RE A SCUMBAG DIRTBAG EDGY LEFTIST WHO SECRETLY SUPPORTS TRUMP!!" Actively spreading far-right propaganda that demonizes minorities = "I'M TIRED OF THE LEFT EATING ITSELF ALIVE ATTACKING PEOPLe FOR BEING REASONABLE!!!" I'm sorry but I find the literal dehumanization of groups like poor people struggling with drug addiction - as if being addicted to drugs somehow makes it that someone deserves to be a victim of violence or homelessness - or queer people as somehow predatory to be more worthy offenses that perpetuate material harm than *checks notes* voting 3rd party. Thinking the act of voting - as long as it's for someone with a 'D' next to their name - is some radical material act that will then erase or magically make go away actual systems of harm, let alone when voting for the very people who perpetuate these systems is the kind of brain rot electoralism brings about and reveals the *privilege* of the average partisan voter. If I've literally seen you on here demonizing homeless people, I literally do not care what you feel about voting, voting for 3rd party, not voting, etc. Your obsession with bring up old posts of mine completely unprompted is weird and terminally online, but alright, I'll take the bait. Jimmy Dore and to a lesser extent BJG are mindless populists who spend their entire existences bashing the American centre and centre-left while completely ignoring the right, and in Dore's case, openly courting them. As a clear example of their political blindness, they utterly failed to identify the snake that was Tulsi Gabbard, even while left-liberals like myself were able to sniff her grift from a mile away. Dore's politics are not based on a sincere commitment to socialist ideals, but are rather conservative/masculine coded populist grandstanding and yelling about anyone with a D next to their name, particularly females. He makes 20 videos about how terrible AOC is while barely scratching right wing figures, and simultaneously pushing inane populist conspiracy theories. To your credit, I would not put you in that camp, and to BJG'S credit, she has become more nuanced over the years in my view. Ana Kasparian, to those of us who are highly familiar with her and Cenk (I've watched TYT off an on for a decade) has always been a mixed bag. What I rejected was the absurd assertion she was on some right wing grifter arc - she isn't - it's actually that TYT has simply been outflanked on the left by y'all. They have always been a relatively progressive channel that ultimately has more in common with a left-liberal like myself that with a socialist like you. So it is logical that you would be unsatisfied with Ana's politics. What I rejected is that she was grifting, which I stand by. 1
GraceRandolph Posted March 24 Posted March 24 8 minutes ago, Harrier said: Your obsession with bring up old posts of mine completely unprompted is weird and terminally online, but alright, I'll take the bait. Jimmy Dore and to a lesser extent BJG are mindless populists who spend their entire existences bashing the American centre and centre-left while completely ignoring the right, and in Dore's case, openly courting them. As a clear example of their political blindness, they utterly failed to identify the snake that was Tulsi Gabbard, even while left-liberals like myself were able to sniff her grift from a mile away. Dore's politics are not based on a sincere commitment to socialist ideals, but are rather conservative/masculine coded populist grandstanding and yelling about anyone with a D next to their name, particularly females. To your credit, I would not put you in that camp, and to BJG'S credit, she has become more nuanced over the years in my view. Ana Kasparian, to those of us who are highly familiar with her and Cenk (I've watched TYT off an on for a decade) has always been a mixed bag. What I rejected was the absurd assertion she was on some right wing grifter arc - she isn't - it's actually that TYT has simply been outflanked on the left by y'all. They have always been a relatively progressive channel that ultimately has more in common with a left-liberal like myself that with a socialist like you. So it is logical that you would be unsatisfied with Ana's politics. What I rejected is that she was grifting, which I stand by. Why are you conflating Jimmy Dore's politics with BJG's? They're completely different people.
Communion Posted March 24 Posted March 24 16 minutes ago, Harrier said: BJG bashing the American centre and centre-left while completely ignoring the right This is genuinely just a ridiculous statement just not rooted in fact, and scarily that liberals who have such an emotional invested in someone who is - at best - a niche online figure as a black woman - feel like they so deeply have feelings over her politics while seemingly unable to actually accurately summarize them or summarize them.. at all. It's an even odder suggestion when just a mere familiarity with her politics often sees her emphasizing the intersection of race and class. You're quite literally suggesting that she somehow does *not* view Republicans as perpetrators of racist capitalism just because she *also* goes after Democrats with overlapping views to the GOP. Your issue is not with what are someone's politics (that you seemingly can't describe). It's because you feel she has no right as a black woman to vote 3rd party. This random fringe online liberal - yes, you are the obscure online fringe - obsession with her as a figure circles back to not some accuracy in the claim that Briahna is somehow unfair to Biden but that you feel as though a black woman voting for the Green Party is somehow worthy of scolding - even when some of you are not Americans and blissfully unaware of the systemtic racism that continues in both your countries' culture and elections while demonizing a black female progressive as somehow responsible for Trump. 1
Harrier Posted March 24 Posted March 24 5 hours ago, Communion said: This is genuinely just a ridiculous statement just not rooted in fact, and scarily that liberals who have such an emotional invested in someone who is - at best - a niche online figure as a black woman - feel like they so deeply have feelings over her politics while seemingly unable to actually accurately summarize them or summarize them.. at all. It's an even odder suggestion when just a mere familiarity with her politics often sees her emphasizing the intersection of race and class. You're quite literally suggesting that she somehow does *not* view Republicans as perpetrators of racist capitalism just because she *also* goes after Democrats with overlapping views to the GOP. Your issue is not with what are someone's politics (that you seemingly can't describe). It's because you feel she has no right as a black woman to vote 3rd party. This random fringe online liberal - yes, you are the obscure online fringe - obsession with her as a figure circles back to not some accuracy in the claim that Briahna is somehow unfair to Biden but that you feel as though a black woman voting for the Green Party is somehow worthy of scolding - even when some of you are not Americans and blissfully unaware of the systemtic racism that continues in both your countries' culture and elections while demonizing a black female progressive as somehow responsible for Trump. God you are such an strange individual, constantly trying to use idpol to score points even though you and I are both white men as far as I know. Yeah yeah yeah I'm a racist bcause I don't love Brianna politically, even though most of my post was dragging Jimmy Dore not her, and I acknowledged that Brianna is a more nuanced figure. It's not even about her 3rd party support - I don't realy care about that - I have long taken issue with her past work with Dore, who I have immense disaste for, and other Dore adjacent figures. But she has gotten better, as I acknowledged. But you still got to hit me with a ridiculously lengthy wall of tweets which don't really speak to my my negative view of her - which is that she has an emphasis problem. A few tweets over years don't speak to that. And then you just have to frame me as some kinda evil hater of black women, or whatever, in your typically cringe and over the top manner. And that is after randomly dregding up old posts of mine when I wasn't egen part of this conversation. Get a hobby, seriously 1
Vermillion Posted March 24 Posted March 24 The notion of leftists not letting the Overton Window slide further to the right by accepting compromises from the centrists and center-right within the Democratic Party for the sake of electoral politics I appreciate being unpacked here and most times I want to engage in that discussion but when I see it on here I'm exhausted from life stuff so I don't. As for Briahna and Dore, to center so much of the energy of these conversations on the pundits themselves is…frustrating. And insular. So many progressive pundits I used to follow have become ambulance chasers and contrarian clickbait. Until there's numbers on their actual influence that are concrete, it seems like a wasted analysis (and no, subscriber counts don't count - I'm talking translation into voters and national opinion sway on political and cultural subjects). Biden losing in November is already said here to be the start of a doubling down for Democrats to the right as opposed to the base, and people here use solid past examples to make that argument. My thing is, culturally, Trump is such a singular figure, and there's about, again, seven black swans attached to this election. Since I've already baked in a Biden loss, I think more of my focus will now be on the Senate, which I'm calling as a loss at the moment.
Vermillion Posted March 24 Posted March 24 Heidi's doing such incredible work on the groups protecting Leonard Leo's SCOTUS majority working on Project 2025 - please follow her or just read this thread —
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