ClashAndBurn Posted May 27, 2022 Posted May 27, 2022 41 minutes ago, GhostBox said: He is and will be for a long time the most popular ex president. Liberals revering and clinging onto Obama the way conservatives used to with Reagan is… exactly the problem. Obama nostalgia is what landed us the most worthless president in American history: the senile fool we currently have, who is running the Democratic Party into the ground and making them even more unpopular than ever before.
GhostBox Posted May 27, 2022 Posted May 27, 2022 (edited) 23 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: Liberals revering and clinging onto Obama the way conservatives used to with Reagan is… exactly the problem. Obama nostalgia is what landed us the most worthless president in American history: the senile fool we currently have, who is running the Democratic Party into the ground and making them even more unpopular than ever before. Calm down I just stated a fact. ? love or hate him he will be the most popular ex president for a long time. Edited May 27, 2022 by GhostBox
ATRL Moderator khalyan Posted May 27, 2022 Author ATRL Moderator Posted May 27, 2022 @GhostBox is right, Obama will remain the most popular ex president for a very long time. Certainly favored more than Republican presidents, more than Biden for sure, and to some more than Clinton because of the scandals. That’s not to say we need more Obama’s in office, because we certainly don’t. But the GP will remember Obama for Obamacare and gay marriage and even though the ACA is not near enough, those will remain two popular things he’s “responsible” for.
ClashAndBurn Posted May 27, 2022 Posted May 27, 2022 29 minutes ago, GhostBox said: Calm down I just stated a fact. ? And I’ve stated a fact that “Obama being popular” isn’t inherently a good thing. We literally got saddled with a shitty President because he was “the Obama guy” 15 minutes ago, khalyan said: @GhostBox is right, Obama will remain the most popular ex president for a very long time. Certainly favored more than Republican presidents, more than Biden for sure, and to some more than Clinton because of the scandals. That’s not to say we need more Obama’s in office, because we certainly don’t. But the GP will remember Obama for Obamacare and gay marriage and even though the ACA is not near enough, those will remain two popular things he’s “responsible” for. Obergefell could be overturned by the current SCOTUS as soon as next year, and Republicans could finally get the repeal of Obamacare they’ve always wanted once they get their highly probable filibuster-proof majority in 2025. Really all they need is to get a trifecta and enough R votes that they don’t need Collins or Murkowski (who could lose her primary to a MAGA candidate this year anyway). Thats all it takes for Obama’s pathetic “legacy” to get wiped out.
Vroom Vroom Posted May 27, 2022 Posted May 27, 2022 55 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: Obergefell could be overturned by the current SCOTUS as soon as next year, and Republicans could finally get the repeal of Obamacare they’ve always wanted once they get their highly probable filibuster-proof majority in 2025. Really all they need is to get a trifecta and enough R votes that they don’t need Collins or Murkowski (who could lose her primary to a MAGA candidate this year anyway). Do you honestly believe even half of this? This is all doomsday stuff. Obergefell will get overturned next year? Come on
ClashAndBurn Posted May 27, 2022 Posted May 27, 2022 7 minutes ago, Vroom Vroom said: Do you honestly believe even half of this? This is all doomsday stuff. Obergefell will get overturned next year? Come on I said it COULD BE if they take up the right case for it. That’s all it took for Roe and Casey being completely overturned (assuming the leak stays the end result) was the Court taking up a case that everyone thought would have a narrow decision that would barely preserve Roe but keep the 13-week ban in Mississippi upheld. Read. Nowhere did I say that would DEFINITELY happen next year. I know liberals hate reading but please. Read. Do I believe that the Democrats will get completely wiped out of both House and Senate over the midterm and presidential cycles? Yes. I do. Do I believe the Biden presidency is pathetic and that is a major reason why Democrats are going to be politically dead for cycles to come? Yes. I do. The damage Biden is doing right now cannot be understated.
Vroom Vroom Posted May 28, 2022 Posted May 28, 2022 1 hour ago, ClashAndBurn said: I said it COULD BE if they take up the right case for it. That’s all it took for Roe and Casey being completely overturned (assuming the leak stays the end result) was the Court taking up a case that everyone thought would have a narrow decision that would barely preserve Roe but keep the 13-week ban in Mississippi upheld. Read. Nowhere did I say that would DEFINITELY happen next year. I know liberals hate reading but please. Read. Do I believe that the Democrats will get completely wiped out of both House and Senate over the midterm and presidential cycles? Yes. I do. Do I believe the Biden presidency is pathetic and that is a major reason why Democrats are going to be politically dead for cycles to come? Yes. I do. The damage Biden is doing right now cannot be understated. If the dems survived Carter, they can survive Biden
ClashAndBurn Posted May 28, 2022 Posted May 28, 2022 Wasn’t Bakari the Kamala supporter that endorsed Nina Turner, too? Mess.
ClashAndBurn Posted May 28, 2022 Posted May 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Vroom Vroom said: If the dems survived Carter, they can survive Biden Biden's an even worse disaster than Carter, and he's polling worse than his predecessor. Who is the presumptive opponent he will face and probably lose against in 2024. Like. Polling would indicate that Biden loses the POPULAR VOTE to Trump at this point. How do you square that with "Dems will be fine, Biden isn't hurting them THAT bad"???
ClashAndBurn Posted May 28, 2022 Posted May 28, 2022 Speaking of Carter, good to see he is fighting on the right side of history AGAINST overturning millions of acres of public land just because the Dept. of Interior Secretary feels like it. Disgusting that Biden, on the other hand, is fighting for Trump and Ryan Zinke
Vermillion Posted May 28, 2022 Posted May 28, 2022 Tucker's son Buckley works for Jim Banks who wants the same leadership position(s) Elise is vying for when the Republicans take power in November. Story doesn't go into enough detail but this particular episode of infighting is definitely something to monitor. Especially as Tucker himself has called her a puppet on multiple episodes and she's run completely away from her original "moderate" image as her district's gone dark red since 2014.
Bethenny Frankel Posted May 28, 2022 Posted May 28, 2022 19 hours ago, khalyan said: @GhostBox is right, Obama will remain the most popular ex president for a very long time. Certainly favored more than Republican presidents, more than Biden for sure, and to some more than Clinton because of the scandals. That’s not to say we need more Obama’s in office, because we certainly don’t. But the GP will remember Obama for Obamacare and gay marriage and even though the ACA is not near enough, those will remain two popular things he’s “responsible” for. You're right, Obama will be the most remembered president for Dems at the very least.
Communion Posted May 28, 2022 Posted May 28, 2022 Warnock fighting for his life meanwhile Biden couldn't even give him a lifeline.
Bethenny Frankel Posted May 29, 2022 Posted May 29, 2022 13 hours ago, Armani? said: A mess Let's hope Gretchen wins that, although I'm scared the GOP might try assassinating her again
chessguy99 Posted May 29, 2022 Posted May 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Bethenny Frankel said: Let's hope Gretchen wins that, although I'm scared the GOP might try assassinating her again I guess you haven't heard but it wasn't the GOP, it was the FBI. It appears that the plot was hatched and mostly directed by FBI paid informants. The trials ended last month with two not guilty and two mistrials. The trials were all over media when they started, but when they ended they faded away, guess the lack of convictions didn't fit the media narrative.
Communion Posted May 29, 2022 Posted May 29, 2022 WHY is no one running to primary Whitmer? Per Ballotpedia, the only person who was also in the Democratic primary was a Trump Republican?? AKA this person??
Katamari Posted May 29, 2022 Posted May 29, 2022 3 hours ago, Espresso said: Is someone gonna thread it
Seiko Oomori Posted May 30, 2022 Posted May 30, 2022 6 minutes ago, Espresso said: tore. even broken clocks are right twice a day i suppose.
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