ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted May 25, 2022 ATRL Moderator Posted May 25, 2022 6 minutes ago, Thuggin said: Hopefully the extremely close margin between Cuellar and Cisneros that was decided by Dem leadership is enough to convince people that Democrats don’t actually care about protecting abortion rights or enacting gun control at all! They just want to continue waving those issues in front of voters’ faces to fundraise off them and secure their own seats where they can continue to enrich themselves via their corporate donors. In fact, when news of Roe v Wade maybe being overturned was leaked and the mass shooting happened today, I bet a lot of Democrats were actually thrilled that they could capitalize on those events by telling voters, “SEE THIS IS WHY YOU NEED TO ELECT MORE DEMOCRATS!” and then when the voters do just that the Democrats go, “Mmm sorry, not enough Democrats because some of the Democrats won’t support our agenda, maybe next time if you elect more Democrats!” even though those rotating villain Democrats are the same Democrats the Dem leadership continues to support. Oh and I don’t want to hear anyone claim that they only support people like Manchin and Cuellar because they’re incumbents because Dem leadership would NEVER work even a fraction as hard to protect the seats of progressive Dem incumbents. Agree with you 100%. Nancy Pelosi going out of her way to fight for Ed Markey's primary challenger despite him being an incumbent is recent history to show you they don't give a damn about protecting incumbents as a principle. Democrats just do not care. Nancy Pelosi had an interview earlier today bemoaning the attacks on abortion rights and an hour later Jim Clyburn was out campaigning for Cueller. They don't care. They just see dollar signs.
Thuggin Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 23 minutes ago, Bloo said: Agree with you 100%. Nancy Pelosi going out of her way to fight for Ed Markey's primary challenger despite him being an incumbent is recent history to show you they don't give a damn about protecting incumbents as a principle. Democrats just do not care. Nancy Pelosi had an interview earlier today bemoaning the attacks on abortion rights and an hour later Jim Clyburn was out campaigning for Cueller. They don't care. They just see dollar signs. It’s just the fact that it’s so blatant. Like they don’t even attempt to disguise their lack of commitment to their supposed principles in the slightest. They truly give no ****s about the progressive wing of the base. They take every opportunity possible to spit on us. This alone is ample justification for any Democrat left who has a shred of integrity to demand that incompetent, slimy, corrupt corpses like Pelosi and Clyburn step down. Democratic politicians and their liberal sycophants, stop shouting at us that we’re bad people if we don’t #VoteBlueNoMatterWho with abortion rights and gun control on the line only to tell us that “Well actually, supporting a blue conservative who votes against codifying Roe into law and takes NRA money is super necessary for some reason!” (Presumably because he’s also anti-union and that’s the most important thing here!) Sabotage our agenda, lose our support. Better yet, gain our opposition. It’s that simple. You’re voted in and paid to represent US! Not to go to fancy dinners with lobbyists, collect corporate bribes, and grandstand over an increasingly Christo-fascist Republican Party while sitting on your own hands the entire time, except when it’s time to advance corporatocracy / plutocracy because that’s bipartisanship baby!
ClashAndBurn Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 55 minutes ago, BlueTimberwolf said: Looks like PeLoser/Clyburn/AIPAC got what they wanted. Hope he loses in November It's highly likely that the seat flips to Republican no matter who the nominee is. My hope is that he loses just so that Pelosi and Clyburn's open endorsement falls flat on its face and it's exposed that they intervened in the race and sold their dignity for absolutely nothing. Frankly Cisneros voters should just let it happen. The House Democrats are about to get completely wiped out anyway. Voting for Cuellar, even if he kept his seat so that he could be the deciding vote on abortion rights would just be... not even remotely worth it.
Distantconstellation Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 The race has tightened even more he is only 177 votes ahead of jessica and its still only at 94%. She can still squeak out a victory.
Armani. Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 Cuellar in the lead with that small margin Cisneros needed to campaign more in Laredo & she could have won. Literally less than 200 votes Maybe some leftover ballots in San Antonio can save her. The district itself is extremely polarized
Bears01 Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 Why the Democratic Party is openly letting a politician as awful as Henry Cuellar be a proud member of their caucus in todays society is beyond me. Honestly if Dems are wiped off the map in 2024 where people like Manchin and Sinema are up for re-election (and there’s a strong possibility that happens), the hard reboot the party so desperately needs will be a welcoming sign
Gui Blackout Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 Isn't this like the 3rd time Cisneros (likely) loses to Cuellar? Instead of crying and playing the blame game, why can't the Left just... run a stronger candidate instead? Or learn something from the previous defeat and run a better campaign? Idk just a thought If Cuellar is so awful then it shouldn't be this hard.
Bears01 Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Gui Blackout said: Isn't this like the 3rd time Cisneros (likely) loses to Cuellar? Instead of crying and playing the blame game, why can't the Left just... run a stronger candidate instead? Or learn something from the previous defeat and run a better campaign? Idk just a thought If Cuellar is so awful then it shouldn't be this hard. With how insanely close this race will finish, you can’t deny that the establishment going all out to support Cuellar likely had a lasting impact on the final outcome. Cuellar and his policies should NOT be welcome in where the Democratic Party says they are in 2022 (pro choice, stricter gun legislation, etc). Why, when Roe vs Wade is literally on the doorsteps of being overturned, that is a single issue that actually might be able to motivate Democratic and undecided voters, would you choose to support the one member of the Democratic House caucus who opposes abortion? It makes 0 sense Edited May 25, 2022 by Bears01
Gui Blackout Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 1 minute ago, Bears01 said: With how insanely close this race will finish, you can’t deny that the establishment going all out to support Cuellar likely had a lasting impact on the final outcome. Cuellar and his policies should NOT be welcome in where the Democratic Party says they are in 2022 (pro choice, stricter gun legislation, etc). Why, when Roe vs Wade is literally on the doorsteps of being overturned, that is a single issue that actually might be able to motivate Democratic and undecided voters, would you choose to support the one member of the Democratic House caucus who opposes abortion? It makes 0 sense I personally wouldn't support Cuellar either. But to me, all of this just speaks to how weak the Cisneros campaing was. She had all these issues served on a silver platter but was unable to convey a stronger message to voters. If you can't beat such a flawed opponent, you really gotta take a step back and asses how you're running things. And the Dem Establishment support excuse is tired at this point, just last week there was lots of cheering and gloating that Progressives can and do beat Establishment/PAC-backed Dems. So why it didn't work here? That's on her and her campaign.
Mike91 Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 20 minutes ago, Gui Blackout said: Isn't this like the 3rd time Cisneros (likely) loses to Cuellar? Instead of crying and playing the blame game, why can't the Left just... run a stronger candidate instead? Or learn something from the previous defeat and run a better campaign? Idk just a thought If Cuellar is so awful then it shouldn't be this hard. "Just run a stronger candidate that the entire establishment can campaign against! "
Armani. Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 39 minutes ago, Gui Blackout said: Isn't this like the 3rd time Cisneros (likely) loses to Cuellar? Instead of crying and playing the blame game, why can't the Left just... run a stronger candidate instead? Or learn something from the previous defeat and run a better campaign? Idk just a thought If Cuellar is so awful then it shouldn't be this hard. Henry was running like a Republican in fear tactics Accusing Jessica of wanting open borders & defunding the police in ads. That said, she's only gotten closer everytime so it's not really a bad campaign. 3k vote difference to 800 to now likely under 100 predicted if the predictors are right.
Gui Blackout Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 17 minutes ago, Mike91 said: "Just run a stronger candidate that the entire establishment can campaign against! " Just last week there were candidates who, likewise, ran against "the entire establishment" (and against much stronger candidates than Cuellar, might I add) and still won. So what's Cisnero's excuse? How long is that crutch excuse gonna be effective? Doesn't sounds particularly encouraging message to send out to voters. And it's not like she was some lonesome underdog, she had Bernie and the whole Progressive wing going hard for her.
Gui Blackout Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 7 minutes ago, Armani? said: Henry was running like a Republican Accusing Jessica of wanting open borders & defunding the police in ads. That said, she's only gotten closer everytime so it's not really a bad campaign. 3k vote difference to 800 to now likely under 100 predicted if the predictors are right. Then her campaign should not done a better job rebuking those attacks, and done a better job attacking Cuellar's record and flaws. I do hope she manages to win somehow tho. I would have voted for her, regardless.
Armani. Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 26 minutes ago, Gui Blackout said: Then her campaign should not done a better job rebuking those attacks, and done a better job attacking Cuellar's record and flaws. I do hope she manages to win somehow tho. I would have voted for her, regardless. I havent seen all the ads so I'm not sure if she's did this, but Cisneros could have exposed him of being anti union or a union buster I guess. I did see a Sunrise PAC? one where she calls him Joe Manchin of the House. She was specific attacking him in that angle & also for being against abortion rights. & in the primary (not sure about runoff) she ran ads about the FBI raiding his home.
ATRL Moderator khalyan Posted May 25, 2022 Author ATRL Moderator Posted May 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Gui Blackout said: Isn't this like the 3rd time Cisneros (likely) loses to Cuellar? Instead of crying and playing the blame game, why can't the Left just... run a stronger candidate instead? Or learn something from the previous defeat and run a better campaign? Idk just a thought If Cuellar is so awful then it shouldn't be this hard. This is only her second time running, she just graduated law school in 2018. She's already ran a better race than in 2020, where she lost by ~2500 votes. The corporate Democratic party exhausted all options to keep their pro-gun, anti-choice Democrat in office and she still managed to get within 100 votes or so of him.
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted May 25, 2022 ATRL Moderator Posted May 25, 2022 Our politics are disturbingly predictable.
ATRL Moderator khalyan Posted May 25, 2022 Author ATRL Moderator Posted May 25, 2022 31 minutes ago, Bloo said: Our politics are disturbingly predictable. God we really need a viable third party ASAP. I'm so tired of the DINOs.
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted May 25, 2022 ATRL Moderator Posted May 25, 2022 1 minute ago, khalyan said: God we really need a viable third party ASAP. I'm so tired of the DINOs. The entire 2 party system needs to go. I wish we had a parliamentary system with maybe 5-6 parties. Anyone thinking 2 parties are enough to represent our very diverse population is insane. We need to build up the activism in this country to look beyond electoralism. General strikes and boycotts and leveraging our collective economic pressure to force through change is probably our best bet. But that can only be done in a coordinated fashion which is why we need outside voices that can connect with the anger people are feeling to rally that kind of effort.
publikcitizen Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 27 minutes ago, Bloo said: The entire 2 party system needs to go. I wish we had a parliamentary system with maybe 5-6 parties. Anyone thinking 2 parties are enough to represent our very diverse population is insane. We need to build up the activism in this country to look beyond electoralism. General strikes and boycotts and leveraging our collective economic pressure to force through change is probably our best bet. But that can only be done in a coordinated fashion which is why we need outside voices that can connect with the anger people are feeling to rally that kind of effort. i wish a labor party can be created here to be the real center left party that America deserves. not the hypocrisy that is the democrat party.
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted May 25, 2022 ATRL Moderator Posted May 25, 2022 15 minutes ago, publikcitizen said: i wish a labor party can be created here to be the real center left party that America deserves. not the hypocrisy that is the democrat party. I agree. But we can’t obsessively focus on that. The entire electoral system is designed to prevent more than 2 parties. So we need external power beyond just voting to make change happen at this point.
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted May 25, 2022 ATRL Moderator Posted May 25, 2022 This Op-Ed by the Washington Post lists out a few possibilities for the 2024 Democratic nomination for president in case Biden doesn’t run. Among them, they list Jeff Bezos.
Communion Posted May 25, 2022 Posted May 25, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Gui Blackout said: I personally wouldn't support Cuellar either. But to me, all of this just speaks to how weak the Cisneros campaing was. She had all these issues served on a silver platter but was unable to convey a stronger message to voters. If you can't beat such a flawed opponent, you really gotta take a step back and asses how you're running things. And the Dem Establishment support excuse is tired at this point, just last week there was lots of cheering and gloating that Progressives can and do beat Establishment/PAC-backed Dems. So why it didn't work here? That's on her and her campaign. Given that you tried bragging about Summer Lee losing despite her ending the night winning, especially given previous comments about black women, I would personally avoid trying to reference progressive wins in PA to justify Cuellar and his folks endorsing mocking Jessica's suffering as a victim of child rape and grooming by her own teacher like you're currently trying to do. Henry Cuellar is a piece of **** human being and anyone who votes for him cannot say that they don't endorse his hatred for women and children. Edited May 25, 2022 by Communion
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