news 2024 US Election Megathread 🇺🇸🏛️

[GraceRandolph]

15 minutes ago, Redstreak said:

Dems keep forgetting that forceful messaging sways public opinion, not the other way around. The right knows this and for some reason the old guard Dems have ceded it to them. Like look at Harris speech after losing about stars shining brightly in the night or whatever, you'd never hear a Republican just wax poetic about nothing. They say "this is the problem, it's ******* you over, we're gonna fix it with strength"

Yeah, they literally don't message forcefully about anything except being against Trump and being for civility and norms.

[GraceRandolph]

How are people not embarrassed by this man? He makes the USA look so trashy. We really are going to be a laughing stock for years atp. 

[K.O]

50 minutes ago, pride4jc1222 said:

I'm registered democrat, and am planning to vote Ras Baraka in the primary.

 

I despise Mikie Sherrill. If she wins the primary, I'm definitely voting for Jack Ciattarelli in the general election.

Really!? You're willing to vote for jack Ciattarelli over Mikie Sherrill? Care to elaborate on why? What's your issues with Sherril? 
I'm planning on voting for Fulop in the primary myself. I'm hoping he can inch out a win…

[ClashAndBurn]

 

[Communion]

1 hour ago, OreoCookie said:

I don't understand this fixation on Black voters when the real problem is Hispanic voters. They are the ones who handed the election to Trump. More Gen Z Hispanic males voted for Trump than Gen Z white males.  
 

The real issue the Democratic Party is facing is how to win back and de-radicalize young Hispanic voters, not elderly Black voters.

You can't win the general election when centrist Democrats from specific demographics constantly elect horrific candidates. 

[Communion]

1 hour ago, pride4jc1222 said:

I'm registered democrat, and am planning to vote Ras Baraka in the primary.

 

I despise Mikie Sherrill. If she wins the primary, I'm definitely voting for Jack Ciattarelli in the general election.

Voting for Ras over Fulop but then willing to support a Republican in the general is... 

 

Fulop is the strongest candidate in the field. 

[Communion]

The NJ governor primary itself shows what's wrong with educated liberal partisan Dems who make up most primary voters. 

 

They're shackled by both this false sense of who they believe communities of "others" would view as most electable and victim to their own biases on identity. 

 

So you have a base of support knee jerk to thinking the military centrist lady has a magical aura about her cause her logo is an attack helicopter that centrists must surely love and she's at least a minority as a woman ! (). 

 

But then she likely wins a crowded primary with 29% of the vote and you end up with the Republican winning as foreshadowed by normie indies like the user in here wanting to vote for the Republican over her. 

 

Non-degreed black geriatrics in certain states may be annoyingly reactionary, but they're usurped in political malpractice by highly educated centrist white women. 

[Harrier]

Why are the girls getting comfortable dragging older black church going democrats (or any other group) for electing centrist democrats in primaries, but then people people staying on the couch or voting third party is entirely Kamala Harris campaign's fault and she should have done more to appeal to these voters?

 

Is there not progressive responsibility in appealing to the core democratic voter bases more effectively? Believe me I understand feeling frustration but this it is not a constructive way to think about things. I've had to learn that around my frustration with non-voters in the general elections & with the swathes of Democrats who inexplicably switched their vote to Biden for super tuesday etc

 

Let's be consistent about this. The real truth is that the Bernie Sanders (and Elizabeth Warren) campaigns failed yall in 2020, and have never been held accountable for failing the progressive movement and letting the complete failure that was Joe Biden in. I don't forget those I personally deem reponsible - Warren, Lau, Sirota, Briahna, Turner and others - and I wish progressives were more clear headed about their mistakes so they can be learned from in 2028. It was a winnable race that was lost due to being outmanoeuvered and due to infighting. And that's even with the failure to move black democrats for the second time in a row.

[Redstreak]

7 minutes ago, Harrier said:

Why are the girls getting comfortable dragging older black church going democrats for electing centrist democrats in primaries, but then people people staying on the couch or voting third party is entirely Kamala Harris campaign's fault and she should have done more to appeal to these voters?

 

Is there not progressive responsibility in appealing to the core democratic voter bases more effectively?

 

Let's be consistent about this. The real truth is that the Bernie Sanders (and Elizabeth Warren) campaigns failed yall in 2020, and have never been held accountable for failing the progressive movement and letting the complete failure that was Joe Biden in. I don't forget those I personally deem reponsible - Warren, Lau, Sirota, Briahna, Turner and others - and I wish progressives were more clear headed about their mistakes so they can be learned from in 2028. It was a winnable race that was lost due to being outmanoeuvered and due to infighting. And that's even with the failure to move black democrats for the second time in a row.

I can't believe Bernie sanders couldn't out campaign the literal ex president putting his thumb on the scale against him

[Harrier]

4 minutes ago, Redstreak said:

I can't believe Bernie sanders couldn't out campaign the literal ex president putting his thumb on the scale against him

And Kamala Harris had many of the worlds richest men putting the thumb of the scale against her. Consistency here. The Sanders/Warren campaigns should be held accountable and so should the Kamala Harris campaign even though there were significant forces arrayed against them. 

 

It's a simple political blindspot of 'the candidate I like lost because they were victimised' vs 'the candidate i don't like lost because they suck'. Everyone does this. We should all work to overcome that blindspot

[Communion]

2 minutes ago, Harrier said:

Why are the girls getting comfortable dragging older black church going democrats for electing centrist democrats in primaries, but then people people staying on the couch or voting third party is entirely Kamala Harris campaign's fault and she should have done more to appeal to these voters?

 

Is there not progressive responsibility in appealing to the core democratic voter bases more effectively?

This is ragebait and doesn't work. 

 

You are trying - maybe due to unfamiliarity with the topic - to do something that can't be done because of the sheer absurdity of having a deep red state like South Carolina have an outsized influence in a Democratic primary. No matter what posturing someone wants to do, you can't vanish away that a Republican stronghold is framed as who should decide Dem primaries. 

 

That your first instinct is to use elderly black Americans as a cudgel against progressives despite being a white Australian proves the criticism made by progressives. 

 

Progressives won over voters in 2020. Exit poll after exit poll showed Biden's voters didn't like Biden and viewed Sanders' policies as closer to their own and Sanders as more likely to care about people like them. 

 

Sanders' sole issue was perceived electability and South Carolina needlessly gave corporate media some cudgel to try and drive this false claim further. 

 

So any progressive who wants progressives to ever have any kind of electoral success would be in agreement that a nearly R+20 state shouldn't be some pivotal state in deciding who the Democratic nominee. 

 

Whether black voters' voices are being silenced and if a R+20 state is who represents black voters at large are two distinct conversations and there's insidious intent for anyone wanting to conflate the two. Doing so is concrete evidence of someone being anti-progressives. 

[Harrier]

9 minutes ago, Communion said:

This is ragebait and doesn't work. 

 

You are trying - maybe due to unfamiliarity with the topic - to do something that can't be done because of the sheer absurdity of having a deep red state like South Carolina have an outsized influence in a Democratic primary. No matter what posturing someone wants to do, you can't vanish away that a Republican stronghold is framed as who should decide Dem primaries. 

 

That your first instinct is to use elderly black Americans as a cudgel against progressives despite being a white Australian proves the criticism made by progressives. 

 

Progressives won over voters in 2020. Exit poll after exit poll showed Biden's voters didn't like Biden and viewed Sanders' policies as closer to their own and Sanders as more likely to care about people like them. 

 

Sanders' sole issue was perceived electability and South Carolina needlessly gave corporate media some cudgel to try and drive this false claim further. 

 

So any progressive who wants progressives to ever have any kind of electoral success would be in agreement that a nearly R+20 state shouldn't be some pivotal state in deciding who the Democratic nominee. 

 

Whether black voters' voices are being silenced and if a R+20 state is who represents black voters at large are two distinct conversations and there's insidious intent for anyone wanting to conflate the two. Doing so is concrete evidence of someone being anti-progressives. 

I am literally responding to progressives attacking black Americans girl this is a complete nonsense and very slimy and dishonest way to turn that back on me. And a cudgel... for what? Asking people to hold politicians accountable rather than focusing on voters? I'm not certain you even read my whole post

 

You're defensive and reactionary because I have pointed out a blatantly obvious hipocrisy in the way that voters are talked about depending on their political persuasions by people like you. You're comfortable dragging black democrats or white educated women for political malpractice but will get angry if centrist democrats talk the same way about young voters or progressive voters

 

I don't even disagree with your points about South Carolina - of course all states should vote on the same day, it's nonsense that they don't. But in the absence of that change, the Sanders campaign needed to come up with a strategy and they did not do that as well as they could have in 2020. Period. You're all about holding politicians accountable right? 

[Communion]

3 minutes ago, Harrier said:

And Kamala Harris had many of the worlds richest men putting the thumb of the scale against her.

Again, this is ragebait. 

 

Polling shows Bernie would have won a general election. 

 

So we're not talking about actual elections. We're talking about primaries with far more administrative bloat in its processes. The DNC admitted in 2016 that primaries are not real elections. Imagine if general presidential elections were staggered across months and Trump said that all red states get to votr first lmao. 

 

Further evidence - You can't rig a general election. You sure can rig a primary election though. 

 

And thus the discussion that's actually at the crux of this is not about listening to black voters. Of course progressives should and Sanders 2020 was an example of the success of progressives winning young black voters. The conversation is about centrist Dems doing what they can to rig primary elections by placing conservative states first and the need to combat this rigging. 

 

We know this is true because the much blacker state of Georgia didn't even get to vote in the 2020 primaries until June, effectively rendering their votes null and void. Why are black voters in South Carolina more special than black voters in Georgia? Are black voters South Carolina somehow more truly black than black Georgians in your argument?

 

Some of you are so clearly polarized by petty online drama that you become unable to hide the reactionary liberal within that you think a geriatric conservative is some astute voice defining the Democratic Party if they're a certain skin color. 

[Communion]

4 minutes ago, Harrier said:

I am literally responding to progressives attacking black Americans

David Hogg: *says older politicians should not put their ego before being willing to mentor young leaders to eventually replace them*

 

Bakari Sellers, Zionist: *randomly attacks Hogg for saying this, claiming it's about Clyburn*

 

*centrists cause the issue of SC's placement in the Dem primary to be reiterated again by needlessly bringing up Clyburn*

 

I beg you to be more informed on what actual discussions are happening within here and online in terms of greater political discourse. 

 

It's actually morally consistent to hold the view that Dems shouldn't pander to either white conservatives like Liz Cheney or black conservatives like the southern Democratic Establishment, many of whom don't even hold power in their states. 

 

Ironic that centrists are deciding to court John Bell Edwards to try and run in Louisana again despite the myriad of black political talent in the state. I guess forced platforming of black elders is for we but not thee when it comes to centrists. 

[Harrier]

12 minutes ago, Communion said:

David Hogg: *says older politicians should not put their ego before being willing to mentor young leaders to eventually replace them*

 

Bakari Sellers, Zionist: *randomly attacks Hogg for saying this, claiming it's about Clyburn*

 

*centrists cause the issue of SC's placement in the Dem primary to be reiterated again by needlessly bringing up Clyburn*

 

I beg you to be more informed on what actual discussions are happening within here and online in terms of greater political discourse. 

 

It's actually morally consistent to hold the view that Dems shouldn't pander to either white conservatives like Liz Cheney or black conservatives like the southern Democratic Establishment, many of whom don't even hold power in their states. 

 

Ironic that centrists are deciding to court John Bell Edwards to try and run in Louisana again despite the myriad of black political talent in the state. I guess forced platforming of black elders is for we but not thee when it comes to centrists. 

You're just defensively talking past me and not actually reading what im writing. None of this is relevant to the point about blaming voters. Obviously I hit a nerve with my first post because the Communion games are in full overdrive, I wonder if you will ever stop - just respond to what people write and stop the clownery. Hilighting a small part of a post, deleting the rest, engaging in bad faith mischaracterisations, bringing in irrelevant points, personal smears etc. It's amazingly dishonest. 

[Blankspace2010]

1 hour ago, GraceRandolph said:

How are people not embarrassed by this man? He makes the USA look so trashy. We really are going to be a laughing stock for years atp. 

Sis the USA became a laughing stock November 2016 and Democrats continued that and worsened it by somehow nominating an even more incompetent, senile and blood thirsty candidate in Joe Biden. 

[GraceRandolph]

13 minutes ago, Blankspace2010 said:

Sis the USA became a laughing stock November 2016 and Democrats continued that and worsened it by somehow nominating an even more incompetent, senile and blood thirsty candidate in Joe Biden. 

Very true but it feels like we'll never recover 

[Vroom Vroom]

2 hours ago, GraceRandolph said:

Yeah, they literally don't message forcefully about anything except being against Trump and being for civility and norms.

Messaging wise they were cooked when they were unable to hold Trump accountable after he left the White House. They spent 4 years from 2016-2021 saying that Trump was the most corrupt president of all time and then he faced no consequences 

 

Now Trump's corruption is bigger and more transparent than ever before. Dems need to fight against these actions, but at the same time they have lost all credibility from failing to stop him in the past. 

 

[ClashAndBurn]

1 hour ago, Harrier said:

I am literally responding to progressives attacking black Americans girl this is a complete nonsense and very slimy and dishonest way to turn that back on me. And a cudgel... for what? Asking people to hold politicians accountable rather than focusing on voters? I'm not certain you even read my whole post

 

You're defensive and reactionary because I have pointed out a blatantly obvious hipocrisy in the way that voters are talked about depending on their political persuasions by people like you. You're comfortable dragging black democrats or white educated women for political malpractice but will get angry if centrist democrats talk the same way about young voters or progressive voters

 

I don't even disagree with your points about South Carolina - of course all states should vote on the same day, it's nonsense that they don't. But in the absence of that change, the Sanders campaign needed to come up with a strategy and they did not do that as well as they could have in 2020. Period. You're all about holding politicians accountable right? 

The voters in the Democratic primaries are the ones who have made the horrible choices that have doomed us all every time. South Carolina, the Republican stronghold that has held BLOOD RED for over 30 years, has been given the utmost extreme influence over the Democratic primary process even though it is absolutely by no means a swing state, and doesn't even have higher proportions of black voters.

 

You can't outmaneuver a Jim Clyburn endorsement in South Carolina. He is the absolute kingmaker in that state, and that makes him the kingmaker for the Democratic primary as a whole. He is directly the reason we had Joe Biden, and he intervened in 2024 to make sure that Kamala Harris wasn't passed over even though she was a surefire unelectable loser. And he's probably going to do the same for her in 2028 as well, just so you know.

Edited Friday at 04:47 PM by ClashAndBurn

[GhostBox]

2 hours ago, K.O said:

Really!? You're willing to vote for jack Ciattarelli over Mikie Sherrill? Care to elaborate on why? What's your issues with Sherril? 
I'm planning on voting for Fulop in the primary myself. I'm hoping he can inch out a win…

The fact they would rather have a hardline right winger 💀

 

must not really care about the issues then. 

[ClashAndBurn]

4 minutes ago, GhostBox said:

The fact they would rather have a hardline right winger 💀

 

must not really care about the issues then. 

Mikie Sherrill and Josh Gottheimer are absolute trash. You might as well throw the governor's mansion over to the republicans if New Jersey Dems are dumb enough to nominate either of those dog **** candidates.

[pride4jc1222]

2 hours ago, Communion said:

Voting for Ras over Fulop but then willing to support a Republican in the general is... 

 

Fulop is the strongest candidate in the field. 

I can get behind Fulop as well (if he wins the primary). Just about anyone but Sherrill is okay for me.

Edited Friday at 05:09 PM by pride4jc1222

[GhostBox]

This is funny coming from Beto. Literally has failed at everything he's done in the past few elections and is probably gonna screw up the Dems chance in TX again 💀

 

Edited Friday at 05:10 PM by GhostBox

[Communion]

1 hour ago, Harrier said:

 None of this is relevant to the point about blaming voters.

That's- again- the point. No one is blaming voters. There's no hypcrosises here. 

 

Conservarive black grandpas and grandmas can do what they want. I actually don't want their votes cause I don't want to pander to conservatives whose votes I don't respect. 

 

I want the DNC to stop rigging primaries by giving this subset minority population undue influence greater than they represent by letting their R+20 state cut the line. 

[GhostBox]

7 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

Mikie Sherrill and Josh Gottheimer are absolute trash. You might as well throw the governor's mansion over to the republicans if New Jersey Dems are dumb enough to nominate either of those dog **** candidates.

I'm not a big fan of them either but I'd still rather have them than the gop candidate any day. 💀 but it's whatever at this point. The whole country's already doomed.