Sannie Posted Thursday at 09:53 PM Posted Thursday at 09:53 PM 21 hours ago, dancingqueen said: Don't go to the airport then. Her ass is everywhere there, unfortunately omg, i saw her on a big screen as i waited in line for tsa the other day and it felt so ******* dystopian. --- anyways, have no idea what to expect from 2028. best case scenario is another mixed bag of wins that ultimately result in nothing getting done. i've resigned myself to accepting that no progress can/will be made so our best bet is winning solely to keep these evil people out of the government. 4
GhostBox Posted Thursday at 10:27 PM Posted Thursday at 10:27 PM bernie failed connecting to older black dem voters because he just wasn't good at talking to them or relating to them. That's all it was 💀
GraceRandolph Posted Thursday at 10:36 PM Posted Thursday at 10:36 PM 20 minutes ago, GhostBox said: um 💀 Why does he look so green all the time now? 2 1
GraceRandolph Posted Thursday at 11:29 PM Posted Thursday at 11:29 PM 1 hour ago, Sannie said: omg, i saw her on a big screen as i waited in line for tsa the other day and it felt so ******* dystopian. --- anyways, have no idea what to expect from 2028. best case scenario is another mixed bag of wins that ultimately result in nothing getting done. i've resigned myself to accepting that no progress can/will be made so our best bet is winning solely to keep these evil people out of the government. It's clear that Democrats CAN get stuff done through the executive. They just have to let some hang ups go on decorum and norms.
Communion Posted Friday at 01:18 AM Posted Friday at 01:18 AM (edited) 4 hours ago, canvey916 said: I mean, sure, South Carolina shouldn't be first. Frankly, no state should be first: it would be far fairer to have the primaries simultaneously across all 50 states. But you have to play it as it lays. And as it is now, S.C. *is* first. (Granted, with Biden and Jamie Harrison no longer in place, New Hampshire and Nevada are both making new pushes to get the first-in-line slot. But I can't say how that'll work out.) My point is that complaining about it does nothing, and the quasi-dogwhistling is completely counterproductive. If AOC wants to run in 2028 (or later), she should be starting to lay her groundwork across the South right now. But unfortunately I was right: the Fight the Oligarchy tour has yet to travel below the Mason-Dixon Line. If that holds true going forward, it'll be inexcusable. An enormous own-goal. If progressives were really willing to put in the work, South Carolina being the first primary could actually be a great opportunity. The Democrats' base, across racial and geographic lines, is demoralized and frustrated with the party. Approval numbers are at all-time lows, the establishment has its back up against the wall. There are real inroads that could be made with Black voters in the south, especially with those who were demoralized long before 2025. Bernie did a better job of this in 2020, but there's still a lot more that could be done. Especially now, with the party struggling more than ever. Will it turn these southern states blue during the general election? No. But it could allow for a real challenge to the establishment's grip on the primary season. The catch is, "putting in the work" requires showing up, listening, and meeting people where they're at. If you can't make those efforts, inroads become dead-ends. I think we're talking about two things that likely are getting tangled together because the cynical weaponization of identity by neoliberal politicians. It's framed as in bad taste to point out that there is a tangible sector of black voters who are both Democrats and conservatives. Voters who are old, more religious, more pro-establishment, etc. These voters have been a problem for progressives. While progressives need to reconcile with how to make inroads with all voters, black voters aren't immune from the same criticisms of poor people voting against their interests like poor whites or the generational divides that impact Hispanic voters. The key is to not talk in absolutes. Making note of the low ROI with older black voters in the South should be contextualized as due to the connection between black churches and an old guard of moderate Democrats. The ARE going to be at least SOME black voters who are more adversarial to progressive causes than allies and who will need to be defeated rather than won over. But of course those criticisms should be met with an eagerness to connect with a younger generation of black voters who have shown to want progressive policies and who are not loyalists to a right-wing Dem Establishment. But, as you say, work needs to put in to win over these voters and not lose them to another generation of liberals. It IS an issue for progs that Zohran could easily cruise to victory in the primary - currently polling at 40% - yet black voters are siding with a sex pest. Progressives have to make some advances somewhere. But it also comes with picking battles that can actually be won, and the reality is that it'd be much easier and better for progressives to focus on connecting in places besides SC and calling the absurdity of the establishment. Pointing out that progressives are struggling with black voters also comes with needing to concede that it'd be worth more for every dollar spent in organizing to make inroads with Georgia Dems and fight to have GA go first in the primary than let a place that *is* objectively more conservative than most of the country (and with collapsing black turnout) be given overdrawn influence in a primary. Edited Friday at 01:21 AM by Communion 1 1
Lightbringer007 Posted Friday at 01:49 AM Posted Friday at 01:49 AM 58 minutes ago, FameFatale said: Gross WHAT THE ACTUAL **** DID I JUST READ???
Bethenny Frankel Posted Friday at 05:49 AM Posted Friday at 05:49 AM 9 hours ago, dabunique said: I never would've thought ACB would be a liberal leaning conservative on the Supreme Court but good for her 2
GraceRandolph Posted Friday at 06:18 AM Posted Friday at 06:18 AM 29 minutes ago, Bethenny Frankel said: I never would've thought ACB would be a liberal leaning conservative on the Supreme Court but good for her She's about as conservative as they come she's just not a total Trump sycophant. The bar is in hell. 1 1
GraceRandolph Posted Friday at 10:03 AM Posted Friday at 10:03 AM The fact that Trump's approval isn't in the mid 20s by now…
GraceRandolph Posted Friday at 12:09 PM Posted Friday at 12:09 PM Biden is getting thrown under the bus left and right. He really will be the most hated POTUS in modern times. 2
OreoCookie Posted Friday at 12:56 PM Posted Friday at 12:56 PM I don't understand this fixation on Black voters when the real problem is Hispanic voters. They are the ones who handed the election to Trump. More Gen Z Hispanic males voted for Trump than Gen Z white males. The real issue the Democratic Party is facing is how to win back and de-radicalize young Hispanic voters, not elderly Black voters.
spree Posted Friday at 01:05 PM Posted Friday at 01:05 PM 6 minutes ago, OreoCookie said: I don't understand this fixation on Black voters when the real problem is Hispanic voters. They are the ones who handed the election to Trump. More Gen Z Hispanic males voted for Trump than Gen Z white males. The real issue the Democratic Party is facing is how to win back and de-radicalize young Hispanic voters, not elderly Black voters. i think it's because South Carolina is first in the primaries. But you're very much right. Look at the disproportionate percentage of deportations. They aren't black! Hispanic voters need to wake tf up. None of this would be happening under Harris. 2
GraceRandolph Posted Friday at 01:16 PM Posted Friday at 01:16 PM 10 minutes ago, spree said: i think it's because South Carolina is first in the primaries. But you're very much right. Look at the disproportionate percentage of deportations. They aren't black! Hispanic voters need to wake tf up. None of this would be happening under Harris. Deportations would definitely be happening under Harris but she would be doing it more humanely yes.
spree Posted Friday at 01:22 PM Posted Friday at 01:22 PM 4 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: Deportations would definitely be happening under Harris but she would be doing it more humanely yes. well yea, I mean picking cooks out of kitchens and maids out of hotels. A huge chunk of these people do not have criminal records. But they think anyone illegally here is automatically considered a criminal, which is ****** up.
pride4jc1222 Posted Friday at 01:30 PM Posted Friday at 01:30 PM (edited) 28 minutes ago, K.O said: I'm registered democrat, and am planning to vote Ras Baraka in the primary. I despise Mikie Sherrill. If she wins the primary, I'm definitely voting for Jack Ciattarelli in the general election. Edited Friday at 01:31 PM by pride4jc1222
GraceRandolph Posted Friday at 01:30 PM Posted Friday at 01:30 PM 27 minutes ago, K.O said: It sucks that immigration is such a tough issue for Dems. The Trump administrations lawlessness should at least sway people.
Redstreak Posted Friday at 01:34 PM Posted Friday at 01:34 PM 2 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: It sucks that immigration is such a tough issue for Dems. The Trump administrations lawlessness should at least sway people. Dems keep forgetting that forceful messaging sways public opinion, not the other way around. The right knows this and for some reason the old guard Dems have ceded it to them. Like look at Harris speech after losing about stars shining brightly in the night or whatever, you'd never hear a Republican just wax poetic about nothing. They say "this is the problem, it's ******* you over, we're gonna fix it with strength" 2
Thuggin Posted Friday at 01:48 PM Posted Friday at 01:48 PM 43 minutes ago, K.O said: When we have to nominate Cory Booker just to win New Jersey
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