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[DammnBaby]

1 minute ago, Redstreak said:

Besides the fact that if we let it slide they'll just try Hillary 4.0 in 2028?

At this point, you'll be lucky to have the option to vote (in what would be a sham election), or the money for gas to get to the polling station, in 2028. 

[anti-bitch]

3 minutes ago, FameFatale said:

And of course to top it all off... Tiktok is supposed to be banned again tomorrow. 

 

Gen Z would revolt. 

[ClashAndBurn]

20 minutes ago, DammnBaby said:

There is zero value in continually litigating why Kamala lost at this point. The only focus should be on expunging Trump from public office and on holding him and all his cronies accountable for what they have done to Americans and to the world - that is where all the oxygen and energy must go. 

Guess we'll just put Kamala up again in 2028, since polling seems to indicate that's what we might be looking to doing I guess.

 

Democrats unfortunately don't adequately blame her for her own loss. If we don't hammer the point home to make sure people know for certain that she's an unelectable loser, then they'll sleep walk into nominating her during the primaries, leading us to utter disaster and ruin yet again.

[DammnBaby]

2 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

Guess we'll just put Kamala up again in 2028, since polling seems to indicate that's what we might be looking to doing I guess.

 

Democrats unfortunately don't adequately blame her for her own loss. If we don't hammer the point home to make sure people know for certain that she's an unelectable loser, then they'll sleep walk into nominating her during the primaries, leading us to utter disaster and ruin yet again.

I am not questioning the premise that the Democratic Party needs to be completely reinvented. But right now, the fight is much more urgent than 2028.

[superglowy]

2 minutes ago, Redstreak said:

Besides the fact that if we let it slide they'll just try Hillary 4.0 in 2028?

Because everyone knows ATRL plays a crucial role in the Democratic nomination process.

 

This is borderline OBSESSION at this point. 'But Biden!!!' All roads lead back to people not even in politics anymore. 

It's not even new information or a fresh perspective. It's just the same paragraphs over and OVER and not even good faith conversation, it's just the bitterness in your personality needing to spit venom and that ain't good for your mental health.

 

[ClashAndBurn]

7 minutes ago, superglowy said:

Because everyone knows ATRL plays a crucial role in the Democratic nomination process.

 

This is borderline OBSESSION at this point. 'But Biden!!!' All roads lead back to people not even in politics anymore. 

It's not even new information or a fresh perspective. It's just the same paragraphs over and OVER and not even good faith conversation, it's just the bitterness in your personality needing to spit venom and that ain't good for your mental health.

 

There is a non-zero chance that Biden runs again and a non-zero chance the Democrats are stupid enough to nominate him "because he's the only one to ever beat Trump"

 

I don't think you realize how out of touch the Democratic primary electorate is with the rest of the country. They've done nothing but give us Diet Republicans for the last decade and it's getting really tiresome that they refuse to course correct.

[VOSS]

I guess I'm back to hating my rep again

[Redstreak]

12 minutes ago, superglowy said:

Because everyone knows ATRL plays a crucial role in the Democratic nomination process.

 

This is borderline OBSESSION at this point. 'But Biden!!!' All roads lead back to people not even in politics anymore. 

It's not even new information or a fresh perspective. It's just the same paragraphs over and OVER and not even good faith conversation, it's just the bitterness in your personality needing to spit venom and that ain't good for your mental health.

 

Then why even be in this thread discussing anything if that's the take away? I don't understand what some of you want from the Dems? Yall say you agree that there are problems with the party but then get mad when anybody discusses it? So actually just keep doing what they've been doing which is what got us here?

[noodlelymph]

22 hours ago, Relampago. said:

I just.. don't really feel sympathy for Biden and Harris? I can blame the short term memories of Americans till the cows come home, but at the end of the day the Democratic Party is the one who have the power to actually do something about that, so blaming them is a dead end. And on top of that, Harris and Biden aren't going to be facing the consequences of their failures— the American people are. So I don't really care if their feelings are hurt cause "they really tried!"

 

And… did they try? I'm just not convinced about that. They pretty much rolled over every time something didn't go their way and basically said "we'll get 'em next time!" meanwhile Trump is moving heaven and hell to do whatever it takes to make the worst of everything happen. The bare minimum would have been pressing Merrick Garland to go after Trump, but not even that happened. Harris ran a God awful campaign and got curb stomped. If she had run a better campaign, and still lost, I'd speak more kindly of her, but I just don't care to. I owe nothing to her, and neither does anyone else, so I might as well just speak uncomfortable truths— Biden and Harris have a heavy hand in leading us to where we are now. Maybe it's not entirely their fault but they are key players.

 

And sorry to anyone that upsets, annoys or makes uncomfortable too, but we don't need to do a round robin of hating Trump constantly. This is a left-wing site and 99% of people here hate him. The more apropos topic and point of contention is the near constant failures of the Democratic establishment in the last decade. We celebrated the win in Wisconsin just a few days ago, and the left shift in Florida as well. There is praise and celebration when it's time, and important discussion at other times, which involves addressing Biden/Harris's role in how we got here. 

 

This isn't a place for circlejerking Democrats or a place to only speak on how awful Trump is. We can only say "Trump is awful!" into the echo chamber so many times before it just gets pedantic. Talking about both sides and point out the flaws in the opposition party to see how we can work to improve it comes with the topic of this thread, and that does involve addressing the Biden admin's failures. Yes, some users hit heavier on that topic than they do on Trump, but that's balanced out with how many of us focus on just Trump in this thread as well. 

If you liked Biden/Harris, I guess that's fine, but saying those who don't and still feel anger for them letting us down is not deranged, it's important discussion.

You've been spilling. 
Biden-Harris AND the Dems are *directly* responsible for bringing about the material conditions that led to Trump! Half this thread/liberals at large fail to recognize the culpability of their ideology and the people in power they agree with in bringing about this mess, which necessitates this ongoing discussion. How can anyone not look at Dems' decision to pivot to the right, preserve "norms," fundraise with Silicon Valley "good billionaires," throw trans ppl under the bus, commit the genocide of Palestinian ppl, etc. and STILL believe that Trump/the GOP should be the sole focus, especially in a space where there's little agreement with what Trump/the GOP do…. When someone's destroying something, you look to *who* can stop that someone and there's a very clear disagreement with *who* the opposition should be and what ideology the opposition should have!!! 

[dabunique]

[Rotunda]

57 minutes ago, karron0624 said:

We will have at least a 10% decline, and if you keep your investments stead and don't change, up to a 30%. 30% and under, as bad as it is to say, is what's expected with this admin. If we go more than 30% down, we are probably all about to be or are already jobless. 

High chance I'm laid off by the end of the month . 

[FameFatale]

I just filled my car up and gas jumped up 15 cents from this past weekend 

[Relampago.]

44 minutes ago, superglowy said:

Because everyone knows ATRL plays a crucial role in the Democratic nomination process.

 

This is borderline OBSESSION at this point. 'But Biden!!!' All roads lead back to people not even in politics anymore. 

It's not even new information or a fresh perspective. It's just the same paragraphs over and OVER and not even good faith conversation, it's just the bitterness in your personality needing to spit venom and that ain't good for your mental health.

 

All I've been saying is I desperately want to see the Democrats help people by not running the same game plan or unpopular politicians like Biden/Harris so that we don't have to continue this suffering and I'm met with "Those damn leftists refused to vote for GENOCIDE!! AND YOU DEFEND THEM!!"

 

Like, progressives seriously just want what's best for people and we're willing to throw out useless, fake "progressives" (Fetterman for example) who don't align to that ideology in the end, rather than hold onto them and double down cause we once supported them.

 

I can see why the "But Biden!" conversation might be annoying, but it seriously is pertinent to the conversation. And most importantly not forgetting what a tragedy it would be to lose again in 2028.. or 2032 for that matter by not learning from past mistakes. There's plenty of discussion in here outside of that too, the good sisters FameFatale, dabunique, Vermillion, nooniebao and others keep us updated and informed with news specifically about Trump and his admin's atrocities. Maybe if it's that annoying, it could be good to mute some of the other conversations for awhile, but that doesn't make them less important or just people spewing venom for no reason. And yeah, ATRL isn't the decider of electoral politics, but it is a community and any community outreach, even online, is better than nothing. 

[Relampago.]

16 minutes ago, Rotunda said:

High chance I'm laid off by the end of the month . 

I just got hired at a new job and I'm lowkey worried they're going to regret hiring all these new people and lay us off soon

[superglowy]

50 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

There is a non-zero chance that Biden runs again and a non-zero chance the Democrats are stupid enough to nominate him "because he's the only one to ever beat Trump"

 

I don't think you realize how out of touch the Democratic primary electorate is with the rest of the country. They've done nothing but give us Diet Republicans for the last decade and it's getting really tiresome that they refuse to course correct.

The same can be said for progressives. (And I don't mean that aggressively). The reason why Dems continue to do well despite not embracing progressive policies is because the majority of potential Dem voters are moderates. The voting base aren't secret progressives that are just waiting for someone to activate them and politics is a lot more about 'voting against, than for'. 2016 was voting against the establishment, 2020 was voting against Trump, 2024 was voting against Inflation/Rising costs and 2028 will be about voting against the after affects of Trumps 2nd Term.

 

Dems didn't lose because they didn't embrace progressive positions (which btw I think they should, I don't disagree with progressive ideals, just the messaging/snobbery of a lot of the louder voices of the movement) they lost because voters experienced a good economy under Trump and pressed against inflation/food costs took another chance along with the Dems vote being depressed by Palestine boycotts and such.

 

45 minutes ago, Redstreak said:

Then why even be in this thread discussing anything if that's the take away? I don't understand what some of you want from the Dems? Yall say you agree that there are problems with the party but then get mad when anybody discusses it? So actually just keep doing what they've been doing which is what got us here?

Because when the topic at hand is something like 'Trump decided to nuke Alaska' or some ****, instead of holding the responsibility at the feet of the person directly responsible, we instead get Whataboutisms about the previous admin that aren't credible. It's like saying a friend that knew his friend had too much to drink and then ran someone over is actually more responsible for the incident than the person that drunk and drove. Thats what you all are like when Everytime it goes back to 'But Biden' while showing you don't actually care about the topics your comment on as you don't even engage with the actual issue or the CURRENT ADMIN doing these actions.  
 

The root issue for a lot of you is that Progressives want to eradicate Democrats then wonder why the Turkeys won't support or root for Thanksgiving. 
 

44 minutes ago, noodlelymph said:

You've been spilling. 
Biden-Harris AND the Dems are *directly* responsible for bringing about the material conditions that led to Trump! Half this thread/liberals at large fail to recognize the culpability of their ideology and the people in power they agree with in bringing about this mess, which necessitates this ongoing discussion. How can anyone not look at Dems' decision to pivot to the right, preserve "norms," fundraise with Silicon Valley "good billionaires," throw trans ppl under the bus, commit the genocide of Palestinian ppl, etc. and STILL believe that Trump/the GOP should be the sole focus, especially in a space where there's little agreement with what Trump/the GOP do…. When someone's destroying something, you look to *who* can stop that someone and there's a very clear disagreement with *who* the opposition should be and what ideology the opposition should have!!! 

But by this logic, you can argue that progressives are responsible for everything that has happened post 2016 by bringing about the material conditions that splintered the Democratic Party thus enabling Republicans to consolidate power. (Which I don't agree with….mostly)
 

Even this comment above with a little redirection can be used against you. How can progressives withhold their votes as noble when it enables the crashing of the economy, wiping out people's savings and retirements, slashing of benefits which mean children starve, the dismantling of people's rights etc.

 

And that last sentence sums it up perfectly. Only DEMS can stop this. If I could flip a switch and have the Dem party be all Bernie's and AOCs I would, but that is a long way off and what some people don't get is burning down the house doesn't mean the owner signs it over to you, the damn house is gone and the owner still isn't gonna give you that land.

 

Edited 14 hours ago by superglowy

[superglowy]

The absolute FEAR I got hitting that reply button and worrying this site would crash 

 

 

P.S. I actually like all of you in this thread (except 'Communion') and fully respect you are all coming from a place of wanting better and hope the above doesn't come across too combative.

[Lose My Breath]

1 hour ago, RihRihGirrrl said:

WTF I just lost 4% of my 401k in one day....this is insane!!

I've lost almost 10%

[byzantium]

8 minutes ago, superglowy said:

The same can be said for progressives. (And I don't mean that aggressively). The reason why Dems continue to do well despite not embracing progressive policies is because the majority of potential Dem voters are moderates. The voting base aren't secret progressives that are just waiting for someone to activate them and politics is a lot more about 'voting against, than for'. 2016 was voting against the establishment, 2020 was voting against Trump, 2024 was voting against Inflation/Rising costs and 2028 will be about voting against the after affects of Trumps 2nd Term.

Democrats have lost the middle class though because they stopped championing progressive positions.  Like why would a person working an auto manufacturing job in Wisconsin be inclined to support the party championed by investment bankers in New York?  
 

 

[byzantium]

5 minutes ago, Lose My Breath said:

I've lost almost 10%

I'm down "only" 6% since March 1.  Yay lucky me.  
 

Spoiler

I'm low key hoping for a pretty bad recession.  It will certainly hurt me for a few years and I might need to move in with family, but if that's the price necessary to avoid fascism for the future, I'll take it.   

 

Edited 13 hours ago by byzantium

[anti-bitch]

35 minutes ago, dabunique said:

Fed did not move rates and Powell warned of inflation potential in the near future. Now the markets are falling even more. 

[superglowy]

2 minutes ago, byzantium said:

Democrats have lost the middle class though because they stopped championing progressive positions.  Like why would a person working an auto manufacturing job in Wisconsin be inclined to support the party championed by investment bankers in New York?  
 

 

I don't think they have though and that statement like this are a tad hyperbolic sis. The same was said post 2016 that the Dems had alienated their base and were ******. Then won in 2020. Yes they lost on the margins this election cycle, but people really act like it was a complete blowout when in reality it was within the normal range of a Republican win, with yes a significant drop in a few of the core Dem voting blocs, but those people aren't lost and are the same people I believe will be back on the Dems side in 2028 after Trumps policies reek havoc.

[Redstreak]

1 minute ago, superglowy said:

I don't think they have though and that statement like this are a tad hyperbolic sis. The same was said post 2016 that the Dems had alienated their base and were ******. Then won in 2020. Yes they lost on the margins this election cycle, but people really act like it was a complete blowout when in reality it was within the normal range of a Republican win, with yes a significant drop in a few of the core Dem voting blocs, but those people aren't lost and are the same people I believe will be back on the Dems side in 2028 after Trumps policies reek havoc.

And then what keeps them in 2032 and it not be a repeat of 2024? Also we objectively have voting data that working class voters broke more for repubs this past cycle

Edited 13 hours ago by Redstreak

[Thuggin]

75 days down

1,386 days to go

 

I swear, I don't remember Trump's first term being this long. It feels like a prison sentence.

 

[RihRihGirrrl]

8 minutes ago, Lose My Breath said:

I've lost almost 10%

The fact that he just has blatant power to reck the economy and stock market like this is crazy 

[byzantium]

1 minute ago, superglowy said:

I don't think they have though and that statement like this are a tad hyperbolic sis. The same was said post 2016 that the Dems had alienated their base and were ******. Then won in 2020. Yes they lost on the margins this election cycle, but people really act like it was a complete blowout when in reality it was within the normal range of a Republican win, with yes a significant drop in a few of the core Dem voting blocs, but those people aren't lost and are the same people I believe will be back on the Dems side in 2028 after Trumps policies reek havoc.

Oh god. If this is how people are thinking, democrats are going to have a continued losing streak.