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[Harrier]

29 minutes ago, Relampago. said:

You and that other user are taking this argument in bad faith. Biden is not being compared to Hitler, the analogy was clearly just a reference to "if we don't pay attention to history, it will repeat itself". 

 

In this instance, if we don't see the flaws of the Biden admin and the Harris campaign, then we might as well give up on 2028 now. 

 

If you want to call others deranged, the least you can do is try to approach their arguments in good faith and with understanding— not attempt to read between the lines where there's nothing to be read.

No, because that is not what that user said or meant

 

Discussing World War 2 and saying move on from Hitler is not the same as discussing Donald Trump's current actions and saying move on from Biden... for obvious reasons. Bidens culpability for Trumps current actions is not equivalent to Hitler's culpability for World War 2. 

 

There is a time and a place for these discussions. I have great hatred in my heart for Joe Biden in particular. The point is some people never talk about Trump unless it is the context of bashing democrats in some way, they largely celebrated Kamala's defeat, and they in some cases actively argued for people to not vote for her. Unlike yourself who was out there on the ground canvassing for her if my memory serves correctly. I understand that you feel a certain kinship with this part of the left but I do not, and I believe they have a fundamental political blindspot that leads them to be overly obsessed with centrist Democrats to the exclusion of the right wing. Its not about hurt feeelings. The fact that Biden's culpability for Trumps current actions is being compared to Hitler's culpability for World War Two speaks to that.

 

[king_queen]

1 hour ago, Chemist said:

Why would anyone move on from discussing Biden if he is the main reason we are in this situation? 

it's like discussing WW2 and someone saying "move on from Hitler!!!!1"

You are so close  

[Harrier]

7 minutes ago, Redstreak said:

Chuck Schumer literally rolled over a week or two ago, it's a collaborationist party no matter how much little slogans and empty speeches convince… some people

And I dragged him and called him a pathetic loser for that. When it's relevant it's relevant.

Plus, his actions caused outrage in the party and is largely been talked about as a terrible mistake or as evidence he should be replaced in leadership. Even by most libs. I think (and hope) he will lose his next primary over this vote.

[FameFatale]

 

[Redstreak]

14 minutes ago, Harrier said:

And I dragged him and called him a pathetic loser for that. When it's relevant it's relevant.

Plus, his actions caused outrage in the party and is largely been talked about as a terrible mistake or as evidence he should be replaced in leadership. Even by most libs. I think (and hope) he will lose his next primary over this vote.

And Gavin newsom running a right wing podcast, and Eric Adam's corruption, and slotkin praising Reagan, and all the AIPAC money floating around, and and and… like the point is that it's the party's current structural foundation, not just a bad apple or two we hopefully don't vote back in

Edited Thursday at 05:42 PM by Redstreak

[VOSS]

 

[i spit on haters]

26 minutes ago, Redstreak said:

Chuck Schumer 

HWho needs to be pushed out of office just like Biden was. Even Pelosi publicly disagreed with him and thinks it was a bad move on his part. 

[Chemist]

36 minutes ago, Relampago. said:

You and that other user are taking this argument in bad faith. Biden is not being compared to Hitler, the analogy was clearly just a reference to "if we don't pay attention to history, it will repeat itself". 

 

In this instance, if we don't see the flaws of the Biden admin and the Harris campaign, then we might as well give up on 2028 now. 

 

If you want to call others deranged, the least you can do is try to approach their arguments in good faith and with understanding— not attempt to read between the lines where there's nothing to be read.

Thank you and Biden was brought up because Vanity Fair literally published an artcle just yesterday about him being so ******* old and useless that he couldn't function as a normal human being let alone as a president 

 

 

[noodlelymph]

1 hour ago, Harrier said:

It's one thing to point out Bidens failures as a context or when it's relevant. I agree his decision to run is largely responsible for the defeat in 2024. However that does not make him personally responsible for every Trump action to the point where his name needs to be brought up every time Trump does anything. Ditto Kamala. Its Biden/Harris derangment syndrome at this point with many users, such is the obsession.

 

Guess what... as much as you may hate them, they did not want this to happrn and even though they were wrong and made many mistakes, they did try very hard to prevent it, especially Kamala. Maybe for once in your lives actually place some responsibility on the idiotic short term memories American voters and on... you know... the people actually doing the current bad things 

 

Plus, the users in question have consistently been accused by myself and others of being democrat obsessed, own the libs at all costs type people. So only serving as further evidence of this I'm afraid

 

Liberals always pave the way for fascism by blocking all movement to the left. They are to blame as both Malcolm and MLK said. 

[ClashAndBurn]

1 hour ago, Harrier said:

And to add to this, if we are making dumb and pointless Nazi Germany analogies, the equivalent thinking would be to continue to yap about the German left and centre who lost to Hitler in 1932 while the Second World War and the Holocaust were happening. Not whatever the hell else was said

Please. Not when Biden literally aligned himself with Israeli Hitler even though he openly campaigned for Biden's political opponent to beat him. The Democrats CHOSE to make themselves willing accomplices to genocide and refused to change course the entire time. Enough of the gaslighting from liberals who've shown nothing but glee or indifference towards Palestinians being blown apart into ribbons of sinew by American bombs. At this point, it would be a KINDNESS to compare Joe Biden to Hitler.  

[Relampago.]

1 hour ago, anastaciabby said:

Thank you.

Nobody is saying they aren't at fault but atp it seems like an obsession that is adding nothing of value. Worry about the worthless Dems that are currently in office

And yea the own the libs narrative is tired and a weird parallel to take from the right

I could get more behind this but it seems like there's never been a time where we were able to openly criticize them. 

 

2016: "We need to defeat Trump! Let's critique Clinton once she's in office!"

 

2017-2019: "We need to focus on resisting Trump and beating him in 2020! This is not the time to criticize Dems!"

 

2020: "We need to beat Trump! This is not the time to criticize Biden's campaign and the Democratic Party! We need to be united!"

 

2021-2023: "Biden is trying, Trump was SO much worse! Stop critiquing and be grateful for anything Biden can give us and stop saying it's not enough! People know how bad Trump is and will accept Biden bringing us back to normalcy!"

 

Early-Mid 2024: "Stop saying Biden should drop out! He's our best chance to defeat Trump!"

 

Mid-Late 2024: "Stop critiquing Harris! We need to unite to defeat Trump!"

 

It just seems like these discussions always get pushed back. I will say that it seems like even hardcore liberals have soured on current Dems in office, but that's all the more reason to analyze where the approach of Biden/Harris failed, since many of these Dems were currently criticizing in office are taking pages out of their playbook. It's all interconnected.

[Relampago.]

 

 

 

[on the line]

1 hour ago, Harrier said:

No, because that is not what that user said or meant

 

Discussing World War 2 and saying move on from Hitler is not the same as discussing Donald Trump's current actions and saying move on from Biden... for obvious reasons. Bidens culpability for Trumps current actions is not equivalent to Hitler's culpability for World War 2. 

 

There is a time and a place for these discussions. I have great hatred in my heart for Joe Biden in particular. The point is some people never talk about Trump unless it is the context of bashing democrats in some way, they largely celebrated Kamala's defeat, and they in some cases actively argued for people to not vote for her. Unlike yourself who was out there on the ground canvassing for her if my memory serves correctly. I understand that you feel a certain kinship with this part of the left but I do not, and I believe they have a fundamental political blindspot that leads them to be overly obsessed with centrist Democrats to the exclusion of the right wing. Its not about hurt feeelings. The fact that Biden's culpability for Trumps current actions is being compared to Hitler's culpability for World War Two speaks to that.

 

Thank you.

 

It was crystal clear what I meant. That said, I'm glad my comments today could spur a much-needed conversation in this thread. 

[i spit on haters]

During one debate prep session, the president suddenly got up, walked out to the pool, collapsed on a lounge chair, and fell sound asleep.

 

[Vermillion]

What Rosario Dawson saw in Cory is beyond me.

 

Spartacus can STAY seated.

 

 

[Vermillion]

Apparently I missed a lot of **** around here while deep into work.

 

Probably for the best seeing as I'm pretty much locked into Claudia or her heir apparent for 2028 and I might as well ignore the rest. All the rest that I've contributed to is starting to become empty noise.

Virginia primary will be an interesting wildcard in vote splits, but I have Abigail on a lock thanks to the livid military industrial complex in NoVa.

[i spit on haters]

3 minutes ago, Vermillion said:

What Rosario Dawson saw in Cory is beyond me.

 

Spartacus can STAY seated.

 

 

The same Rosario, along with her mother, who assaulted a trans man and used transphobic slurs towards him and the same Rosario Dawson who essentially said **** you to low-working class workers when she crossed the picket line to party with mega capalists Jay & Beyonce ? 

 

Oh.

 

[Mike91]

The fact I'm cheering on the stock market collapsing should tell you how bad things have gotten.  I'm at the point where it feels like the only way things will get better is if this country suffers for the next 4 years. 

 

Sometimes people just have to learn a hard lesson.

[Vermillion]

@i spit on haters Read me!

 

I haven't done my research, shame on me.

 

I was obsessed with her a bit again after Dying Light 2, but **** that. Sigh.

 

Screw Big Pharma's biggest Dem beneficiary though at one point. AIPAC too  

[Thuggin]

The Dow might reach -4.00% before close

 

Edit: Damn, 3.98%, so close

[karron0624]

3 minutes ago, Thuggin said:

The Dow might reach -4.00% before close

 

Edit: Damn, 3.98%, so close

Last minute buys saved it. There is a rumor flying around that the tarrifs will be revamped tomorrow/ this weekend. Add in tomorrow is on schedule biweekly payday, market should surge up tomorrow. Caused a lot of buying of the shares.

[i spit on haters]

2 minutes ago, Mike91 said:

The fact I'm cheering on the stock market collapsing should tell you how bad things have gotten.  I'm at the point where it feels like the only way things will get better is if this country suffers for the next 4 years. 

 

Sometimes people just have to learn a hard lesson.

I'm conflicted because while I agree, this will also largely affect the people who didn't vote for Donnie, many of them already apart of marginalized groups and did everything they could to save what was left of our democracy. It's those white women, their white male counterparts who they're the most adjacent to (but ~feminism~) and those Latino men that are the problem. And of course I'm not saying the dem party is without fault. But in terms of voters, those specific three groups got us back into this mess. I will never feel any sympathy or empathy for anyone who voted for this. And you shouldn't either. They get what they deserve. The poor-working class in red states are going to suffer a great deal. The very group who elected Donnie. 

[Thuggin]

Even I was skeptical they would try to eliminate the income tax, but now I'm confident they're really testing if they can get away with implementing these regressive sales taxes so they can gradually chip away at the income tax through tax cuts.

 

In fact, most people I know who voted for Trump who are excited about this possibility. I have a gay MAGA cousin who's been reading Atlas Shrugged () and he's all in on the "Taxation is theft" "Stop demonizing rich people" "Get rid of the income tax" wagon. Mind you he probably makes half what I do and is back to living with his parents, but he thinks he just hasn't "progressed enough in the capitalism game yet". 

[K.O]

what does everyone think of her? 
what are her politics?

What are the odds of her securing the nomination?

[Chiidish]

3 hours ago, Relampago. said:

I just.. don't really feel sympathy for Biden and Harris? I can blame the short term memories of Americans till the cows come home, but at the end of the day the Democratic Party is the one who have the power to actually do something about that, so blaming them is a dead end. And on top of that, Harris and Biden aren't going to be facing the consequences of their failures— the American people are. So I don't really care if their feelings are hurt cause "they really tried!"

 

And… did they try? I'm just not convinced about that. They pretty much rolled over every time something didn't go their way and basically said "we'll get 'em next time!" meanwhile Trump is moving heaven and hell to do whatever it takes to make the worst of everything happen. The bare minimum would have been pressing Merrick Garland to go after Trump, but not even that happened. Harris ran a God awful campaign and got curb stomped. If she had run a better campaign, and still lost, I'd speak more kindly of her, but I just don't care to. I owe nothing to her, and neither does anyone else, so I might as well just speak uncomfortable truths— Biden and Harris have a heavy hand in leading us to where we are now. Maybe it's not entirely their fault but they are key players.

 

And sorry to anyone that upsets, annoys or makes uncomfortable too, but we don't need to do a round robin of hating Trump constantly. This is a left-wing site and 99% of people here hate him. The more apropos topic and point of contention is the near constant failures of the Democratic establishment in the last decade. We celebrated the win in Wisconsin just a few days ago, and the left shift in Florida as well. There is praise and celebration when it's time, and important discussion at other times, which involves addressing Biden/Harris's role in how we got here. 

 

This isn't a place for circlejerking Democrats or a place to only speak on how awful Trump is. We can only say "Trump is awful!" into the echo chamber so many times before it just gets pedantic. Talking about both sides and point out the flaws in the opposition party to see how we can work to improve it comes with the topic of this thread, and that does involve addressing the Biden admin's failures. Yes, some users hit heavier on that topic than they do on Trump, but that's balanced out with how many of us focus on just Trump in this thread as well. 

If you liked Biden/Harris, I guess that's fine, but saying those who don't and still feel anger for them letting us down is not deranged, it's important discussion.