Lightbringer007 Posted January 21 Posted January 21 idk if its just me but I personally dont see him finishing this term out 1
Radical Pessimism Posted January 21 Posted January 21 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Communion said: Lowkey we should have just ran Marianne lnkjnkjn Your takes are always so unserious and unrealistic. and pls don't quote me with a long essay Edited January 21 by Radical Pessimism 1 1
Communion Posted January 21 Posted January 21 8 minutes ago, Radical Pessimism said: Your takes are always so unserious and unrealistic. and pls don't quote me with a long essay Not me being unable to mourn my celestial crystal queen in peace?
hoax Posted January 21 Posted January 21 18 minutes ago, Communion said: Lowkey we should have just ran Marianne lnkjnkjn It literally couldn't have gone any worse 3
Communion Posted January 21 Posted January 21 2 minutes ago, wastedpotential said: It literally couldn't have gone any worse I do think you needed a candidate who essentially touched on the below: Such a video is something must voters have never seen before and which affluent liberals wouldn't substantiate a conversation on. But the overall message remains clear as the only actual kind of through-line of where Democrats can make sense of themselves in the Era of Trump. Williamson is compelling because she's a great orator though liberal brainwashing meant such a non-politician was never going to work in a primary, but then.... not a single politician had the courage to step up to Joe Biden's cognitive collapse. 1
hoax Posted January 21 Posted January 21 1 minute ago, Communion said: I do think you needed a candidate who essentially touched on the below: Such a video is something must voters have never seen before and which affluent liberals wouldn't substantiate a conversation on. But the overall message remains clear as the only actual kind of through-line of where Democrats can make sense of themselves in the Era of Trump. Williamson is compelling because she's a great orator though liberal brainwashing meant such a non-politician was never going to work in a primary, but then.... not a single politician had the courage to step up to Joe Biden's cognitive collapse. Therein lies the issue's that have plagued Marianne, though. The elite and the directors of the public political discourse do not take her seriously (a mixture of her unorthodoxy, her background, and their apprehension to confront what she represents) and will never give her the time to show off her oratory abilities. The public aren't going out of their way to search for, let alone watch, a 16 minute video about modern social decay without someone on the news or on social media telling them to, and that's always been out of the question. Being invited to participate in an early debate is further than anyone without a background in politics (barring one obvious exception) has made it in the presidential electoral cycle, and the only things the public were able to take away were "orb lady" and "Oprah's spiritualist". It's a shame because I think she could have very meaningfully contributed to the discourse, but that ship has sailed, and we're in for... a lot 1
Communion Posted January 21 Posted January 21 The way the only other person in the last 2 years to use that same kind of rhetoric has since had a mind-melting seizure and became a far-right Democrat due to it... How do we get Giselle Fetterman to run for office?
nadiamendell Posted January 21 Posted January 21 (edited) 1 hour ago, Thuggin said: We need to clean house of all elected Democrats and just start running our own Republicans/Independents at this point. It's so Joever Maybe it's time for lefties to infiltrate the Republican Party. The dems won't have us, so why not give it a shot? Return it to the party of Lincoln. Seriously though, I do think a political realignment is happening. I don't know where this leads us, but I'm curious. Edited January 21 by nadiamendell
hoax Posted January 21 Posted January 21 14 minutes ago, Communion said: The way the only other person in the last 2 years to use that same kind of rhetoric has since had a mind-melting seizure and became a far-right Democrat due to it... How do we get Giselle Fetterman to run for office? Haven't you seen the tea that he's switching parties sometime in the next week or two? 1
Relampago. Posted January 21 Posted January 21 Everything is such a kii I don't even know what to say We live in the worst timeline and I'm eager to see where it goes. Dems OBLITERATED and PANNED. Republicans FULLY in power and POPULAR. I can't wait to see how it goes, day one was already just so fun. 1 1
ClashAndBurn Posted January 21 Posted January 21 Massive ******* mistake. He REALLY needs to not run again and hope beyond hope that he doesn't die in office. Him and Warren both need to go. Markey's probably not saveable this time either, since Jake Auchincloss wants his seat and there's somewhat of an anti-octogenarian fervor now thanks to Joe Biden poisoning the party. 2 3
Mike91 Posted January 21 Posted January 21 2 hours ago, Bamboo said: I feel very very very pessimistic about the future of the Democratic Party. I know it's probably not a very historically informed take since my first election was 2016 so I don't think I have good context of a political party coming back from its lowest but…feeling very bad and anxious about the future. It's happened quite a few times in history where a party is at its lowest and bounces back in the next election. It doesn't happen automatically though. There's a lot of factors that go into it like the mood of the country, state of the economy, how charasmatic the candidate is, etc. Trump didn't win by as large of an amount as people initially thought so I don't think it's fair to say that the left stands no chance going forward because there's still pretty much a 50/50 divide. A big advantage the left has is that Trump can't run again in 2028 (at least for now ) and Vance isn't exactly an inspiring candidate. With that said, the country does not **** with the democratic party establishment as it is, so doing nothing like they did after 2016 is a recipe for further disaster. Continuing to elevate people like Pelosi, the Clinton's, even Obama at this point, is the worst thing they can do. Instead of protesting Trump this time around, dems need to learn a lesson from the Tea Party after what happened in 2008. 6 3
Marianah Adkins Posted January 21 Posted January 21 The 33% polling is just pathetic but there's always a way out. I'm reading Reaganland by Rick Perlstein and when Carter barely won in 1976, the GOP only had 18% support of the GP. 4 years later, we all know how Reagan crushed Carter and revitalized the GOP. Basically the point here is that the Democrats can recover if they actually embrace what they really are as a party, the same way Reagan did for the GOP. Similar to Reagan, use left economic populism to wedge through the voters and allow social liberalism to take a background seat (Reagan basically appealed to independents because he downplayed the fringe religious lunatic supporters during campaign- while allowing them to inflict damage on Carter. 1 2
EnigmaticAndroid Posted January 21 Posted January 21 4 hours ago, Chemist said: Quote Overall, just 33% of all Americans express a favorable view of the Democratic Party, an all-time low in CNN's polling dating back to 1992. The GOP clocks in a tick higher, with a 36% favorability rating. Four years ago, in the immediate aftermath of the January 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol, the Democrats' rating stood at 49%, and the Republicans' at 32%. While this is obviously just one poll, this is actually really interesting and kinda points to how I've been feeling about the election. Trump and the GOP made some gains but its not nearly the overwhelming shift people have characterized it as. People have simply lost faith in the Democratic party (for fair reason) and the election was decided by people staying home or saying "f*ck it, sure" because of vibes and empty promises made by Trump. And the national vibe and momentum behind Trump will inevitably swing back if he actually does any of the sh*t he's said he will, because people are ok with Trump in the abstract but won't actually like a lot of the policies coming. Trump acting as if he has a mandate will be bad for the country and Republicans politically, but good for the Dems to rebrand and come back (hopefully as progressive populists ). There's a lot to be gained if we play our cards right. 6
Chemist Posted January 21 Posted January 21 The end of America as the most influential country in the world is near 8
Virgos Groove Posted January 21 Posted January 21 1 minute ago, Chemist said: The end of America as the most influential country in the world is near 5
anti-bitch Posted January 21 Posted January 21 There's this idea that American people overall shifted right, but that's ignoring all the nonvoters and their opinions. And I think many Trump voters just wanted cheaper food and gasoline, not mass deportations. Either way, this idea of conservatism will be tested in the next years. Do people really want to reverse every bit of social and cultural changes made in the past few decades? Let's see. Frankly, the U.S. infrastructure and service industry could fall apart without Mexican and Latino workers. Good luck trying to make the white kids do dirty work again. 2
Sannie Posted January 21 Posted January 21 5 hours ago, EnigmaticAndroid said: While this is obviously just one poll, this is actually really interesting and kinda points to how I've been feeling about the election. Trump and the GOP made some gains but its not nearly the overwhelming shift people have characterized it as. People have simply lost faith in the Democratic party (for fair reason) and the election was decided by people staying home or saying "f*ck it, sure" because of vibes and empty promises made by Trump. And the national vibe and momentum behind Trump will inevitably swing back if he actually does any of the sh*t he's said he will, because people are ok with Trump in the abstract but won't actually like a lot of the policies coming. Trump acting as if he has a mandate will be bad for the country and Republicans politically, but good for the Dems to rebrand and come back (hopefully as progressive populists ). There's a lot to be gained if we play our cards right. Tbh, it's just more of the same. The pendulum will continue to swing. So annoying. The only thing that really worries me is how good Trump and his team are at messaging and how easily the media falls in line with that messaging. He can mass deport immigrants in the most inhumane way and still come out smelling like roses because the disinformation that will be pushed will allow him to. There's virtually nothing around to hold him accountable. -- Anyways, everything we liberals said would happen that that the left claimed were "scare tactics to get people to vote for Kamala" happened on day one and now mass deportations start today on day two. If I thought leftists had any ability to feel shame, I'd be like, "I told you so," but they're just as bad at self-reflection as the leaders of the Democratic party. 2
Sannie Posted January 21 Posted January 21 Gotta hand it to his people, they were taking notes. No Democrat would ever have the balls to come in day one swinging like this. America will get what it voted for. 2 1
ClashAndBurn Posted January 21 Posted January 21 40 minutes ago, Sannie said: Tbh, it's just more of the same. The pendulum will continue to swing. So annoying. The only thing that really worries me is how good Trump and his team are at messaging and how easily the media falls in line with that messaging. He can mass deport immigrants in the most inhumane way and still come out smelling like roses because the disinformation that will be pushed will allow him to. There's virtually nothing around to hold him accountable. -- Anyways, everything we liberals said would happen that that the left claimed were "scare tactics to get people to vote for Kamala" happened on day one and now mass deportations start today on day two. If I thought leftists had any ability to feel shame, I'd be like, "I told you so," but they're just as bad at self-reflection as the leaders of the Democratic party. "The left" voted for that talentless ***** and she still ******* lost. Gonna be so ******* funny when she falls flat on her face again in 2028 like she deserves to 1
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