xXavril Posted January 19 Posted January 19 7 hours ago, Blankspace2010 said: There's always the option to go outside touch grass, talk to real humans, not place life ending value on digital platforms? They're a product - products go in and out of popularity, get discontinued etc. that's life. It's ridiculous that anybody would feel a certain way.ย ย also let's be honest - ATRL is slowly dying the last decade. I am shook it still has the activity it does right now. Truly impressive.ย this is such a terrible take. TikTok didn't organically end and didn't get discontinued. It was BANNED by a government who constantly talks about how North Korea and China are so terrible because they ban and censor their citizens. It's ridiculous that you think the two are the same. I'm going to have to assume you're either not American or very young if you can say something like that with your whole chestย
hoax Posted January 19 Posted January 19 16 minutes ago, Vermillion said: ย ย ย This is going to come home to roost for him in the 2028 primaryย
CandyCoatedClouds Posted January 19 Posted January 19 47 minutes ago, Marianah Adkins said: Ever heard of the silent majority? Just because they didnt show up doesnt mean they didnt support him. Which is much scarier because it means that they REALLY believe and agree with him despite evidence to the contrary.ย Of course I know of the silent majority. But if people felt so inclined to vote for the man, you'd think they'd show up a historical inauguration, where only for the second time someone is about to serve a non consecutive term ย Either that or they're all too broke to get there.
FameFatale Posted January 19 Posted January 19 59 minutes ago, Vermillion said: ย ย ย He'll end up bending the knee by Tuesday. Anything for his lord and savior dear leader Trump.ย
MAKSIM Posted January 19 Posted January 19 59 minutes ago, xXavril said: this is such a terrible take. TikTok didn't organically end and didn't get discontinued. It was BANNED by a government who constantly talks about how North Korea and China are so terrible because they ban and censor their citizens. It's ridiculous that you think the two are the same. I'm going to have to assume you're either not American or very young if you can say something like that with your whole chestย You responded to a terrible take with an even worse take analogizing a Tik Tok ban to North Korean or Chinese media censorship.ย ย One hyperbole does not beg another one to be given. Let's have some nuanced takes here.ย
ClashAndBurn Posted January 19 Posted January 19 The reason he ran in the first place was to block the candidate that the youth supported and make sure our concerns were rejected. ย 1
Communion Posted January 19 Posted January 19 5 minutes ago, MAKSIM said: You responded to a terrible take with an even worse take analogizing a Tik Tok ban to North Korean or Chinese media censorship.ย ย One hyperbole does not beg another one to be given. Let's have some nuanced takes here.ย Douyin officially having less censorship than TikTok for Americans, China keeps winning
MAKSIM Posted January 19 Posted January 19 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Communion said: Douyin officially having less censorship than TikTok for Americans, China keeps winning The progressive movement being dead in every corner of the globe. I know you're seething. Jokes on you - I'm in favor of one-party rule / Chinese government style politics. The US would be better off with a fully empowered right wing government then have a multi-party system where nothing gets done.ย Edited January 19 by MAKSIM 2
Communion Posted January 19 Posted January 19 2 minutes ago, MAKSIM said: The progressive movement being dead in every corner of the globe. Not every corner.ย ย ย 1
Vermillion Posted January 19 Posted January 19 1 hour ago, wastedpotential said: This is going to come home to roost for him in the 2028 primaryย 17 minutes ago, FameFatale said: He'll end up bending the knee by Tuesday. Anything for his lord and savior dear leader Trump.ย I actually disagree. ย The voters Trump won were told he was going to fight China, not start crypto exchanges with them.
MAKSIM Posted January 19 Posted January 19 1 minute ago, Communion said: Not every corner.ย ย ย You're so politically lost in the world that you have to try to argue China is a beacon of the progressive movement. This is a right wing world - progressivism is a dead movement.ย 2
storminthedark Posted January 19 Posted January 19 1 hour ago, Princess Aurora said: I'm literally speechless. I'm wondering what historians will think of this era in 40 years I do actually think Trump's historical resonance as an individual figure is overstated. He'll definitely be analysed and remembered for changing the American political sphere and shifting the Republican party but I think his actions outside the Presidency will be more recognised than his actions over his two terms (the next four years pending thoughโฆ). Trump and Bush seem more similar figures to me in terms of 9/11, Afghanistan and the war on terror overshadowing Bush as a personal figure invoked by parties afterwards, Trump is January 6, MAGA movement and disinformation. But that depends on how the next 4 years go and what type of Republican party succeeds Trumpism. 1
Communion Posted January 19 Posted January 19 (edited) 4 minutes ago, MAKSIM said: You're so politically lost in the world Sister you literally spent 2023 screeching at anyone who suggested Biden should face an actual primary all because your loyalties lie with a foreign nation. ย On 3/16/2023 at 11:15 PM, MAKSIM said: I don't idolize Joe Biden, so this really doesn't mean anything to me. I'm sure there are better spoiler candidates to run than Marianne Williamson, who abuses her staff. Just find someone else who supports Medicare for All if that's your purity test.ย And the dementia-riddled geriatric didn't even give you the exact outcome of foreign interference you made *your* single-issue vote.ย ย We're in a new era of politics. Please understand that anyone who made their political identity "actually combatting Russia IS America's #1 priority" is now in political exile and a political pariah.ย Edited January 19 by Communion 1
MAKSIM Posted January 19 Posted January 19 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Communion said: Sister you literally spent 2023 screeching at anyone who suggested Biden should face an actual primary all because your loyalties lie with a foreign nation. ย And the dementia-riddled geriatric didn't even give you the exact outcome of foreign interference your made *your* single-issue vote.ย The quote proves the point. If progressivism was so alive, you could field a better candidate than Marianne Williamson ย there was NO ONE else to launch a credible challenge? ย I don't care about Biden - but the progressive savior was Marianne Williamson? Who had an equally horrible position on Israel? I thought you cared about the Palestinian people, apparently not. Dead movement confirmed.ย ย ย ย Edited January 19 by MAKSIM
Communion Posted January 19 Posted January 19 Speaking of other neocons who are now spiraling as they realize political retribution is coming to their doorstep. ย Liberals ensuring that Democrats will never see the presidency or control a chamber of Congress until the 2030s all cause they centered voices like this and Liz Cheney. ย 1
Princess Aurora Posted January 19 Posted January 19 7 minutes ago, storminthedark said: I do actually think Trump's historical resonance as an individual figure is overstated. He'll definitely be analysed and remembered for changing the American political sphere and shifting the Republican party but I think his actions outside the Presidency will be more recognised than his actions over his two terms (the next four years pending thoughโฆ). Trump and Bush seem more similar figures to me in terms of 9/11, Afghanistan and the war on terror overshadowing Bush as a personal figure invoked by parties afterwards, Trump is January 6, MAGA movement and disinformation. But that depends on how the next 4 years go and what type of Republican party succeeds Trumpism. Yes and no, I think his first term was messed up and will be remembered as warning signs for certain things. The second term will tell a lot for sure
hoax Posted January 19 Posted January 19 17 minutes ago, Vermillion said: I actually disagree. I'm referring to Cotton, fwiw. I guess it depends how competitive the 2028 primary ends up being, but there's no way someone like Hawley, if given the chance, doesn't go in with a "well you're the one who ignored the will of the American people to force through a TikTok ban with Democrats", though if this really ends up being resolved by tomorrow then it might not matter.ย
MAKSIM Posted January 19 Posted January 19 https://progressives.house.gov/caucus-members ย omg, these are all deadend political losers. Were really doomed ย 1
Vermillion Posted January 19 Posted January 19 @wastedpotential We're talking about a Cotton presidency in a primary competition. OK I get it. Hawley and Cotton are going in very different directions. ย It's going to be a fascinating primary. ย MAGA's confused because he's now getting billions from a crypto outlet thanks to a Chinese businessman. ย The question is how the former gets that to translate. ย Notice also that we're not discussing Vance in any of these conversations. It's not a coincidence. 1
hoax Posted January 19 Posted January 19 1 minute ago, Vermillion said: @wastedpotential We're talking about a Cotton presidency in a primary competition. OK I get it. Hawley and Cotton are going in very different directions. ย It's going to be a fascinating primary. ย MAGA's confused because he's now getting billions from a crypto outlet thanks to a Chinese businessman. ย The question is how the former gets that to translate. ย Notice also that we're not discussing Vance in any of these conversations. It's not a coincidence. Yeah, unless something radical changes, Vance has been relegated to "the pick my sons wanted", and isn't considered a serious successor by anyone not directly on his team. I do believe Vance is exponentially more intelligent than most give him credit for and that he'll be waiting to try for the top seat once Trump's brain gets flushed, but I don't think MAGA will be receptive unless circumstances change. I think it's Hawley's to lose (he has the temperament and is a master of the rhetoric, and is probably following the radical winds closer than anyone else) unless there's some major skeleton in his closet, but we'll see in 2026, I guess. It's going to be nasty.ย ย The crypto thing will definitely be an interesting vector to follow. It hasn't been super widely reported, but the Biden admin has done a fair amount to open backchannel communications with the Chinese on issues of mutual agreement, and I have to wonder if, even as he slaps massive tariffs and spirals the public-facing relationship into a full blown trade war (if not... war), that his lines of communication with this billionaire (and the rest of the Chinese owner class) will remain relatively strong. The news about Trump and Xi talking about things like Fentanyl and the deficit probably won't go far, but it's something to keep an eye on.ย ย 1
Vermillion Posted January 19 Posted January 19 @wastedpotential ย Tom Cotton, Josh Hawley, and J.D. Vance are going to rip each other to shreds. I guarantee it. ย And I'm looking forward to it. ย I give it a year and a half. 2
ClashAndBurn Posted January 19 Posted January 19 7 minutes ago, Vermillion said: @wastedpotential We're talking about a Cotton presidency in a primary competition. OK I get it. Hawley and Cotton are going in very different directions. ย It's going to be a fascinating primary. ย MAGA's confused because he's now getting billions from a crypto outlet thanks to a Chinese businessman. ย The question is how the former gets that to translate. ย Notice also that we're not discussing Vance in any of these conversations. It's not a coincidence. Meanwhile the primary for the other side is going to be a horror show where Kamala Harris and Josh Shapiro each try to out-Republican one another while Nina Turner and Marianne Williamson suck up all the progressive oxygen with a combined <5% of the vote. ย Im not joking when I say I predict Pete Buttigieg will be the most left "viable" candidate, and he'll hit an insurmountable brick wall as immediately as South Carolina. Bleak af ย 1 1
Marianah Adkins Posted January 19 Posted January 19 Neocon libtards in this forum are losing it with the way they are now espousing right wing dictatorship talking pointsย ย You already have tankies heralding capitalistic China as some "socialist paradise" but I didnt expect libs to also uphold that country for their "effectiveness".ย ย I mean you know what the say when you scratch a lib, you get a nazi.ย ย Yea we get it progressivism is dead hence its pathetic to see libs still losing electorally and culturally to an orange fascist buffoon, despite Jill Stein being an irrelevant spoiler. They literally destroyed the Democratic Party brand just to protect their precious overpaid out of touch consultants who cant do their job well, their precious corporate NGOs who havent done **** but sow further division for virtue signalling and of course their precious Israel who are fuming that the orange buffoon stopped them temporarily from living out their Hitlerite delusions.ย ย For all the resistance **** the libs love talking about, they ironically plunged the country deeper into fascism thanks to their incompetence and smugness.ย 1
ClashAndBurn Posted January 19 Posted January 19 4 minutes ago, wastedpotential said: Yeah, unless something radical changes, Vance has been relegated to "the pick my sons wanted", and isn't considered a serious successor by anyone not directly on his team. I do believe Vance is exponentially more intelligent than most give him credit for and that he'll be waiting to try for the top seat once Trump's brain gets flushed, but I don't think MAGA will be receptive unless circumstances change. I think it's Hawley's to lose (he has the temperament and is a master of the rhetoric, and is probably following the radical winds closer than anyone else) unless there's some major skeleton in his closet, but we'll see in 2026, I guess. It's going to be nasty.ย ย The crypto thing will definitely be an interesting vector to follow. It hasn't been super widely reported, but the Biden admin has done a fair amount to open backchannel communications with the Chinese on issues of mutual agreement, and I have to wonder if, even as he slaps massive tariffs and spirals the public-facing relationship into a full blown trade war (if not... war), that his lines of communication with this billionaire (and the rest of the Chinese owner class) will remain relatively strong. The news about Trump and Xi talking about things like Fentanyl and the deficit probably won't go far, but it's something to keep an eye on.ย ย Brian Kemp will also be a threat once he vanquishes Ossoff. Don't forget about him either @Vermillion He very easily wins the popular vote over Shapiro in 2028 and it won't be remotely close. 1 1
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