superglowy Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 1/9/2025 at 9:39 AM, ClashAndBurn said: Girl, again, I wasn't even talking to you. Kindly **** off and stop quoting me. In fact, not that I have to justify anything to you, but I HAVE been posting about Palestine in the appropriate thread. I even mentioned it as a thing that proved why Joe Biden is an evil terrorist in here literally just yesterday. But do go on with your wrong assumptions about me. No one expected Trump to do anything positive with Gaza. The idea was to pressure the one side that potentially would. They ultimately did not, and Kamala Harris decided that backing a genocide and running to be just as much a terrorist as Joe Biden was more important than winning an election. So again. Kindly. **** off. Expand You do not get to quote and 'terrorise' everyone for years responding all the time that they thirst for Palestinian blood and pick their teeth with their bones and all that crazy **** then be like 'Why do you keep quoting me? I wasn't even talking to you'. So why then would you actively rally and wish the Democrats to lose if Republicans are unmovable on Gaza but you think the Democrats are? 1
ClashAndBurn Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 1/9/2025 at 10:03 AM, superglowy said: You do not get to quote and 'terrorise' everyone for years responding all the time that they thirst for Palestinian blood and pick their teeth with their bones and all that crazy **** Expand *****, WHERE? Where did I say that about ATRL USERS? Constantly making **** up as you go along. Inane nonsense. On 1/9/2025 at 10:03 AM, superglowy said: So why then would you actively rally and wish the Democrats to lose if Republicans are unmovable on Gaza but you think the Democrats are? Expand I think that the Democrats just showed the entire world that they are not. In fact, they are just as fully committed to it as Republicans are. To the point that they would rather lose an election and help facilitate the genocide. Not only that, but they're willfully and gleefully denying that a genocide is even happening. The ONLY difference is that they try to play cute games and pretend that they have any semblance of plausible deniability. And it doesn't even give them kudos from the Zionists and Hasbarists either. They chose the path that tried to straddle a fork in the road of two incompatible positions ("Israel has a right to defend itself" and "Palestinians have a right to exist") that pleased absolutely no one.
superglowy Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 1/9/2025 at 10:32 AM, ClashAndBurn said: *****, WHERE? Where did I say that about ATRL USERS? Constantly making **** up as you go along. Inane nonsense. I think that the Democrats just showed the entire world that they are not. In fact, they are just as fully committed to it as Republicans are. To the point that they would rather lose an election and help facilitate the genocide. Not only that, but they're willfully and gleefully denying that a genocide is even happening. The ONLY difference is that they try to play cute games and pretend that they have any semblance of plausible deniability. And it doesn't even give them kudos from the Zionists and Hasbarists either. They chose the path that tried to straddle a fork in the road of two incompatible positions ("Israel has a right to defend itself" and "Palestinians have a right to exist") that pleased absolutely no one. Expand So if Democrats and Republicans are the same, and you've just spent months and months every day complaining about Dems and the genocide, where are all your posts complaining Republicans aren't doing enough about the Genocide? Like I said, you don't actually care about the genocide, it's just a stick to beat and moan about the Democrats, whichβ¦..okay. But maybe drop the Holier-than-though persona when posting about it. 2 3
CandyCoatedClouds Posted January 9 Posted January 9 Since John Fetterman is going to be that one democrat that's mostly going to vote republican. Who do we think are going to be sensible republicans that vote against the Trump picks?
Princess Aurora Posted January 9 Posted January 9 (edited) On 1/9/2025 at 2:42 AM, Vermillion said: Expand Imagine being a billionaire and still having a fragile ego. If I was a billionaire, I couldn't care less whether I went viral or not lmao Edited January 9 by Princess Aurora
Sannie Posted January 9 Posted January 9 (edited) On 1/9/2025 at 7:40 AM, MusicLoverDude said: Dude, there are people fleeing MULTIPLE fires at this point, some of them being friends of mine. People and pets are in danger, people are losing their homes, people are having anxiety over this because they don't know if they will have to evacuate tomorrow or the next day. And all you care about is how this will hurt Newsom's chances of running in 2028...dude...just zip it. Last time I checked you're from the East Coast so keep my state OUT of your mouth unless you're offering to help victims of the wildfires. Expand Getting off on the horror and trauma is the point for leftists, but if you do the same then you are every -phobic under the sun. They hope and pray for liberal suffering more than conservative suffering lol. --- The political discourse surrounding the fire is another example of failed Democratic messaging. The issue here is climate change, yet Democrats are letting the narrative that it's all because of "wokeness" take over. There is very little any politician can do to curb these disasters when it's mother nature and climate change causing them and you have half the country refusing to accept that and leftists piling on alongside conservatives to blame Dems in power. "They defunded the fire department." Meanwhile the fire department has a budget of $800,000,000. Edited January 9 by Sannie 1
on the line Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 1/9/2025 at 7:40 AM, MusicLoverDude said: Dude, there are people fleeing MULTIPLE fires at this point, some of them being friends of mine. People and pets are in danger, people are losing their homes, people are having anxiety over this because they don't know if they will have to evacuate tomorrow or the next day. And all you care about is how this will hurt Newsom's chances of running in 2028...dude...just zip it. Last time I checked you're from the East Coast so keep my state OUT of your mouth unless you're offering to help victims of the wildfires. Expand That thing is perpetually miserable. Their entire schtick is to be as miserable and whiney as possible - while apparently also feigning victimhood, which is new. LMAO. Ignore it. 1 1
on the line Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 1/9/2025 at 1:50 PM, Sannie said: Getting off on the horror and trauma is the point for leftists, but if you do the same then you are every -phobic under the sun. They hope and pray for liberal suffering more than conservative suffering lol. --- The political discourse surrounding the fire is another example of failed Democratic messaging. The issue here is climate change, yet Democrats are letting the narrative that it's all because of "wokeness" take over. There is very little any politician can do to curb these disasters when it's mother nature and climate change causing them and you have half the country refusing to accept that and leftists piling on alongside conservatives to blame Dems in power. "They defunded the fire department." Meanwhile the fire department has a budget of $800,000,000. Expand Such a major point. They've been doing this for a long time now, and it's ******* whack. I don't even know what to call it bc it's beyond entitlement. "If I can't have everything exactly the way and manner I want it then nobody can have anything they want either," which is such an American, problematic attitude. I guess they have a lot more in common with Trumpers than they wish to admit. 1 1
Sannie Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 1/9/2025 at 2:04 PM, on the line said: Such a major point. They've been doing this for a long time now, and it's ******* whack. I don't even know what to call it bc it's beyond entitlement. "If I can't have everything exactly the way and manner I want it then nobody can have anything they want either," which is such an American, problematic attitude. I guess they have a lot more in common with Trumpers than they wish to admit. Expand like, the people suffering are innocent people who are just trying to live their lives. these leftists want innocent people suffering more than the politicians who are causing all of this. it's psychopathy.
woohoo Posted January 9 Posted January 9 (edited) On 1/9/2025 at 7:40 AM, MusicLoverDude said: Dude, there are people fleeing MULTIPLE fires at this point, some of them being friends of mine. People and pets are in danger, people are losing their homes, people are having anxiety over this because they don't know if they will have to evacuate tomorrow or the next day. And all you care about is how this will hurt Newsom's chances of running in 2028...dude...just zip it. Last time I checked you're from the East Coast so keep my state OUT of your mouth unless you're offering to help victims of the wildfires. Expand Girl it's hopeless. That user is on ignore because they may be the most miserable person on this forum. They will literally turn a thread on a pop girls flops into a moderate democrats fault, granted I've had it with them as well, but apparently disasters aren't off the table for them to turn it into a political fetish. Some people in my company had to be evacuated as well from their homes and we haven't heard from them (I work from home, they're all in LA) and he's worried about this ending Newsome's presidential run when he's not even a confirmed candidate Edited January 9 by woohoo 2
Vermillion Posted January 9 Posted January 9 Lot of back and forth on this but Caruso organized the scapegoating I guess.
on the line Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 1/9/2025 at 2:06 PM, Sannie said: like, the people suffering are innocent people who are just trying to live their lives. these leftists want innocent people suffering more than the politicians who are causing all of this. it's psychopathy. Expand It's mental illness tbh. I can't understand it any other way. 1
ClashAndBurn Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 1/9/2025 at 2:00 PM, on the line said: That thing Expand lol.
Communion Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 1/9/2025 at 2:00 PM, on the line said: That thing is perpetually miserable. Their entire schtick is to be as miserable and whiney as possible - while apparently also feigning victimhood, which is new. LMAO. Ignore it. Expand Not you suddenly caring about and viewing it as an issue of urgency when it's a fire impacting mainly rich people in California while your past comments about when such horrors happen to poor people speak for themselves. You can't make this up at this point. 1 1
Communion Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 1/9/2025 at 3:49 AM, XDNA said: Should have been Conor Lamb. Expand Conor Lamb would have lost. You can't even fake outrage right. It's like black people fade from your memory in forgetting Malcolm Kenyatta existed.
ClashAndBurn Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 1/9/2025 at 2:26 PM, Communion said: Conor Lamb would have lost. You can't even fake outrage right. It's like black people fade from your memory in forgetting Malcolm Kenyatta existed. Expand Kenyatta is legit the one time the KHive might have had it right. Granted, I don't know that Pennsylvanians would vote for a gay black man over the snake oil salesman from Jersey, unfortunately. But in a vacuum where that wouldn't be a potential obstacle⦠1
Communion Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 1/9/2025 at 3:32 AM, XDNA said: Some of these people are bad actors, they're MAGAts masquerading as leftists. Best to ignore them and save your time. Expand You guys need to understand that you are effectively on the wrong side of history despite being able to see the issue at hand and being rightfully upset at the problem. That's essentially the underscoring tension to all of this. Some of you are so angry and your posts read as like a Karen with a chip on their shoulder. You feel so accosted. So wronged. So entitled. How dare the savages not follow the divine liberal world order? How dare they not see Harris as our lord and savior? Someone not even American like @superglowy speaking so hysterically often about political realities they are fairly ignorant on shows it's treated by partisans like a religion. Because you are right enough to know Republicans are awful. Everyone knows they're awful. But then you become - for some reason - confused and enraged that the horror of Republicans doesn't send people into the arms of Democratic officials. You feel bewildered and smug as a Democratic partisan like somehow only you possess some special knowledge and everyone else critical of your party is somehow too stupid for their own good or a saboteur. Which maybe could work....except we see the material reality of corporate Democrats and the policy they craft and know objectively they are acting in ways that harm poor people. And that there is a material basis to be angry at them and demand better from them and holding their feet to the fire. Kamala Harris' loss embodies the corruption of Democrats finally bubbling to the surface and the trust in voters they lost and what progressives long warned of. It's not about liberal vs conservative. You guys made those labels pointless and synonymous by making Liz Cheney a Dem. Apparently Liz Cheney gets to be a liberal. It's now about establishment (liberals and conservatives) vs those who don't trust the establishment. 1 2
ClashAndBurn Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 1/9/2025 at 2:06 PM, Sannie said: like, the people suffering are innocent people who are just trying to live their lives. these leftists want innocent people suffering more than the politicians who are causing all of this. it's psychopathy. Expand I literally said in my reply to MLD that I directed EVERYTHING I said at Newsom, and you're still making it into a supposed attack on everyday Californians. Get a grip On 1/9/2025 at 2:07 PM, woohoo said: They will literally turn a thread on a pop girls flops into a moderate democrats fault Expand Again, you people just keep making **** up about me.
Communion Posted January 9 Posted January 9 I think everyone is aware partisan users now try to and rely on the good sis @ClashAndBurn' nihilism to pick a fight because the same users in question can't actually argue any substantive points with other users who don't have such a nihilistic tone to their posts. And even when engaged in good faith, it becomes ironically the same situation reversed. I asked the good sis Sannie why they claimed no black people lived in Wisconsin and thus low turnout wouldn't be an issue? "Putting the negativity on IGNORE!" Asked the good sis on the line to provide an actual organization who is willing to put their name next to the claim that most homeless people "are drug addicts who want to be homeless"? "Blocking the radicals and extremists who only rely on personal attacks!!" Even inquired from the good sis @woohoo what deep red state they live in when they - ironically - claimed Republicans are now going to be in power for decades and all progressive policy hopes are dead. I simply asked how they could reconcile such nihilism with still then saying to support Democrats electorally. Oddly didn't get a response. Basically I get that there's a lot of anxiety cause society is already collasping and that man isn't even in office yet so some of you are acting out but please don't get the false confidence that somehow this is liberals' Reputation era and you're going to spend the next 4 years as feeling vindicated in your worldview. Y'all will be awoken to the truth of historical materialism and gain class consciousness even if we gotta choke it out of some of yall. 2 2
Cruel Summer Posted January 9 Posted January 9 Ahh I love the smell of Democrat acolytes being completely incapable of effectively debating @Communion and @ClashAndBurn on actual substance in the morning Today I'm pairing it with an iced latte, a cookie baked by my colleague, and some meditation on how to spend my final days before the Roberts court (the now-eternal masters of the American soul) legalizes the ritual harvest and sacrifice of marginalized groups, lest I live to see the Water Wars as Democratic and neoliberal politics collapses inward on itself and utterly fails to prevent the myriad existential crises that Republicans are only too eager to accelerate. I would have liked to live a while longer, but you know, we had to give Liz and Dick Cheney their flowers for being so stunningly brave as to not like Trump very much. Ah, would that we had chosen Bernie when we had the chance. Or maybe that second time. Hell, we could have even had a third there, or someone like him at least, if things had happened earlier. But here we are. And I hold no illusions that it's just for four years, this time. It's going to be a long forever, isn't it? 1 1
ClashAndBurn Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 1/9/2025 at 3:08 PM, Cruel Summer said: Ahh I love the smell of Democrat acolytes being completely incapable of effectively debating @Communion and @ClashAndBurn on actual substance in the morning Today I'm pairing it with an iced latte, a cookie baked by my colleague, and some meditation on how to spend my final days before the Roberts court (the now-eternal masters of the American soul) legalizes the ritual harvest and sacrifice of marginalized groups, lest I live to see the Water Wars as Democratic and neoliberal politics collapses inward on itself and utterly fails to prevent the myriad existential crises that Republicans are only too eager to accelerate. I would have liked to live a while longer, but you know, we had to give Liz and Dick Cheney their flowers for being so stunningly brave as to not like Trump very much. Ah, would that we had chosen Bernie when we had the chance. Or maybe that second time. Hell, we could have even had a third there, or someone like him at least, if things had happened earlier. But here we are. And I hold no illusions that it's just for four years, this time. It's going to be a long forever, isn't it? Expand The prose of this is almost as perfect as "Nicki Minaj sits at her vanityβ¦" But, tea. They always only ever engage in personal attacks and it's so funny to watch. The only one who has any legitimacy to drag me is @MusicLoverDude, and to be honest that's totally fair. I apologize for making light of the tragedy his loved ones are going through for cheap political hits on Newsom. Everyone else though? Calling me a "thing." "Mentally ill." Lol. Well, Facebook says users can say being LGBTQ is a mental illness now, so. Guess we're all a little mentally ill here then. 1
on the line Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 1/9/2025 at 3:20 PM, ClashAndBurn said: The prose of this is almost as perfect as "Nicki Minaj sits at her vanityβ¦" But, tea. They always only ever engage in personal attacks and it's so funny to watch. The only one who has any legitimacy to drag me is @MusicLoverDude, and to be honest that's totally fair. I apologize for making light of the tragedy his loved ones are going through for cheap political hits on Newsom. Everyone else though? Calling me a "thing." "Mentally ill." Lol. Well, Facebook says users can say being LGBTQ is a mental illness now, so. Guess we're all a little mentally ill here then. Expand At least you can admit your faults after spending hour after hour, day after day on a pop music forum....in a politics thread. I did scroll through your post history, and it took me 5 pages of scrolling to finally see that...you're a Lady Gaga fan, and it all clicked for me. Lmao.
Cruel Summer Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 1/9/2025 at 3:20 PM, ClashAndBurn said: The prose of this is almost as perfect as "Nicki Minaj sits at her vanityβ¦" But, tea. They always only ever engage in personal attacks and it's so funny to watch. The only one who has any legitimacy to drag me is @MusicLoverDude, and to be honest that's totally fair. I apologize for making light of the tragedy his loved ones are going through for cheap political hits on Newsom. Everyone else though? Calling me a "thing." "Mentally ill." Lol. Well, Facebook says users can say being LGBTQ is a mental illness now, so. Guess we're all a little mentally ill here then. Expand "Thing" is such a telling little word, such an ugly little peek behind the curtain of what a lot of Democrats think of the true left. Inhuman, sub-human even, as if we're only here to cause trouble for them, as if we haven't been right about what works in elections and what doesn't for years now, about what the American people want and need - healthcare, food on the table, a living wage, robust infrastructure and services supported by reasonable taxation. It's honestly all a very simple and modest platform, all entirely reasonable, but instead we get the architect of the student loan crisis and Liz Cheney's BFF who never won a primary, and then in discussions on here, dehumanizing abuse is launched instead of any actual substance when you make any points. a mess and a half 1 1
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