GhostBox Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 3 minutes ago, nooniebao said: But I was told he wouldn't be worse on this issue 💀
Mike91 Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago Whoever the dem nominee is in 2028 is going to have to make political corruption a centerpiece of their campaign, starting with the Supreme Court (nothing we intend to pass will be upheld unless we address the Supreme Court first). That's how progressives rose to power in the late 1890's and this upcoming administration will likely be the perfect example of why reforms are needed to restore balance to working class and poor Americans. Trump rose to power taking advantage of people's anger at the system and with him out of the picture for 28, it's the perfect opportunity to build a new coalition with the main focus on economic policy. The problem is that no one with ties to the establishment can be an effective messenger since they'll be viewed as being a part of the problem after failing to deliver on past promises. It'll have to come from the outside, but dem voters tend to fall in line with whoever they're told to vote for. Only hope is that enough democratic voters have had it with the establishment. I'm worried we'll probably have to lose another election with someone like Shapiro in 2028 before we see any real change.
ClashAndBurn Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 11 minutes ago, Mike91 said: Whoever the dem nominee is in 2028 is going to have to make political corruption a centerpiece of their campaign, starting with the Supreme Court (nothing we intend to pass will be upheld unless we address the Supreme Court first). That's how progressives rose to power in the late 1890's and this upcoming administration will likely be the perfect example of why reforms are needed to restore balance to working class and poor Americans. Trump rose to power taking advantage of people's anger at the system and with him out of the picture for 28, it's the perfect opportunity to build a new coalition with the main focus on economic policy. The problem is that no one with ties to the establishment can be an effective messenger since they'll be viewed as being a part of the problem after failing to deliver on past promises. It'll have to come from the outside, but dem voters tend to fall in line with whoever they're told to vote for. Only hope is that enough democratic voters have had it with the establishment. I'm worried we'll probably have to lose another election with someone like Shapiro in 2028 before we see any real change. But don't you see? "Voters don't care about policy, only vibes" definitely isn't a ruse that absolves the Democrats of poor campaigning or failure to deliver on policy. It can only be the voters' fault that they weren't 100% sold on the party that capitulated and folded to GOP messaging in every single issue. It's the voters' fault that Democrats didn't codify Roe at any point between 2009 and 2022. The Democratic Party can never fail, it can only BE failed. In 2028, it won't be Shapiro's fault for losing because the only thing he really stands for is making sure that everyone knows what a proud, pro-Israel zealot he is. It'll be the voters' fault for being to anti-Semitic, just like how voters were too sexist and racist to accept such flawless candidates as Harris and Clinton. 1
Mike91 Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 2 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: But don't you see? "Voters don't care about policy, only vibes" definitely isn't a ruse that absolves the Democrats of poor campaigning or failure to deliver on policy. It can only be the voters' fault that they weren't 100% sold on the party that capitulated and folded to GOP messaging in every single issue. It's the voters' fault that Democrats didn't codify Roe at any point between 2009 and 2022. The Democratic Party can never fail, it can only BE failed. In 2028, it won't be Shapiro's fault for losing because the only thing he really stands for is making sure that everyone knows what a proud, pro-Israel zealot he is. It'll be the voters' fault for being to anti-Semitic, just like how voters were too sexist and racist to accept such flawless candidates as Harris and Clinton. At this point we just have to hope there's another Bernie/Trump style candidate that can take over the democratic party. It truly is a shame that Bernie is so old. This feels like his moment (though the Biden shilling probably would have hurt his appeal with some voters anyways). AOC is a good messenger but she feels like damaged goods.
ClashAndBurn Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 31 minutes ago, Mike91 said: At this point we just have to hope there's another Bernie/Trump style candidate that can take over the democratic party. It truly is a shame that Bernie is so old. This feels like his moment (though the Biden shilling probably would have hurt his appeal with some voters anyways). AOC is a good messenger but she feels like damaged goods. Mmm.. yes, that "Working tirelessly for a ceasefire" moment was not a good look for her She'd be equivalent to nominating Elizabeth Warren at this point (without the race-faking elements in her personal history of course). Caters to a niche of the Democratic Party that's less relevant than Never-Trump Republicans, at least to the voices in the party that matter. If you don't have the blessings of Bush Republicans like Jennifer Rubin, David Frum, and Nicolle Wallace, you won't make it anywhere in the current Democratic Party's structure, I'm afraid. You have to either kiss the Liz Cheney ring or be ignored.
Cesar Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 1 hour ago, Mike91 said: Whoever the dem nominee is in 2028 is going to have to make political corruption a centerpiece of their campaign, starting with the Supreme Court (nothing we intend to pass will be upheld unless we address the Supreme Court first). That's how progressives rose to power in the late 1890's and this upcoming administration will likely be the perfect example of why reforms are needed to restore balance to working class and poor Americans. Trump rose to power taking advantage of people's anger at the system and with him out of the picture for 28, it's the perfect opportunity to build a new coalition with the main focus on economic policy. The problem is that no one with ties to the establishment can be an effective messenger since they'll be viewed as being a part of the problem after failing to deliver on past promises. It'll have to come from the outside, but dem voters tend to fall in line with whoever they're told to vote for. Only hope is that enough democratic voters have had it with the establishment. I'm worried we'll probably have to lose another election with someone like Shapiro in 2028 before we see any real change. I lowkey have no hope for the 2028 election (presidential wise), I think Democrats still wouldn't learn lesson. You can already see it now with them running off the idea that Kamala had 100 days to run & everything other than policy and lack of messaging. I can see the next 4 years causing a new wave of activism & progressive ideas, due to the extreme amounts of corruption, bringing new actual left leaders rise. Hopefully out of that new crop, theres someone presidential material 1
ClashAndBurn Posted 56 minutes ago Posted 56 minutes ago 5 minutes ago, Cesar said: I lowkey have no hope for the 2028 election (presidential wise), I think Democrats still wouldn't learn lesson. You can already see it now with them running off the idea that Kamala had 100 days to run & everything other than policy and lack of messaging. I mean, you can just look at how people in this thread like DNCBox are doing the same voter blame game from 2016. They can't help themselves at this point 1
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