Bears01 Posted Friday at 09:03 PM Posted Friday at 09:03 PM (edited) 1 hour ago, CandyCoatedClouds said: Did yall not read the part where I said I wasn't sold on the man, just doing thought exercises for fun? I'm running through the list. I wanted to start on on why I like Andy Beshear/Whitmer as my next pick but maybe I shouldn't so you guys can strike that down too. I have been the biggest advocate for a Whitmer candidacy in this thread, until I seen her doing some Israel shilling…and I regularly thirst for daddy beshear, I just don't think he has charisma for a national ticket. Insisting Gavin Newsom be the candidate in 2028 though is genuinely insulting to people like me in middle America who take one look at him and are instantly like "yeah, absolutely not". You NEED the rust belt to win the presidency, and I can promise you as someone that lives there: he would repel people in massive numbers out here Edited Friday at 09:04 PM by Bears01 1
CandyCoatedClouds Posted Saturday at 02:27 AM Posted Saturday at 02:27 AM 5 hours ago, Bears01 said: I have been the biggest advocate for a Whitmer candidacy in this thread, until I seen her doing some Israel shilling…and I regularly thirst for daddy beshear, I just don't think he has charisma for a national ticket. Insisting Gavin Newsom be the candidate in 2028 though is genuinely insulting to people like me in middle America who take one look at him and are instantly like "yeah, absolutely not". You NEED the rust belt to win the presidency, and I can promise you as someone that lives there: he would repel people in massive numbers out here As someone originally from the rust belt (Cleveland, OH) raised in a particularly poor area, I understand the sentiment, but I don't have any hope for the Midwest to swing back blue, I feel like sun belt states are closer to flipping blue for Newsom, so he'd rely on that route rather than the rust belt.
ClashAndBurn Posted Saturday at 02:59 AM Posted Saturday at 02:59 AM (edited) 32 minutes ago, CandyCoatedClouds said: As someone originally from the rust belt (Cleveland, OH) raised in a particularly poor area, I understand the sentiment, but I don't have any hope for the Midwest to swing back blue, I feel like sun belt states are closer to flipping blue for Newsom, so he'd rely on that route rather than the rust belt. Soon enough, Democrats won't be able to win without the Rust Belt AND the Sun Belt. So abandoning one path for another isn't exactly viable anyway. Besides which… Harris lost the Rust Belt by considerably less than the Sun Belt, and Gavin Newsom will be a LOT less popular across the board. "Coastal Elite from California, but white and male" isn't the magic bullet you all seem to think that it is. Edited Saturday at 02:59 AM by ClashAndBurn 2
GraceRandolph Posted Saturday at 03:07 AM Posted Saturday at 03:07 AM 10 hours ago, CandyCoatedClouds said: Side note, I could totally see myself supporting a Gavin Newsom/Andy Beshear ticket in 2028 If we still have elections by then Before you get the pitchforks, hear me out. Gavin is kind of ruthless, a great debater, semi attractive, a white man and he's willing to play defense against Republicans, which we need. Then Andy beshear is the lovable southern man who says we're all God's children and seemingly has a perfect looking family. Basically they can play the same dynamic as the Harris/Walz team but without the issue of them being in the current administration and without the racism attached. Good Cop, southern Andy/Bad cop coastal elite Gavin. It can work. Or maybe I'm just crazy. Who knows 🤷♀️ I think Newsom would do better than Kamala but there's no way he's winning a national election.
GraceRandolph Posted Saturday at 03:09 AM Posted Saturday at 03:09 AM If Dems can't come up with anyone better than Gavin or Mayor Pete then we are screwed.
CandyCoatedClouds Posted Saturday at 04:01 AM Posted Saturday at 04:01 AM 49 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: If Dems can't come up with anyone better than Gavin or Mayor Pete then we are screwed. Do you think we can convince Andy beshear to go to charisma classes? Do they offer those? If so then he desperately needs to go. 59 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: Soon enough, Democrats won't be able to win without the Rust Belt AND the Sun Belt. So abandoning one path for another isn't exactly viable anyway. Besides which… Harris lost the Rust Belt by considerably less than the Sun Belt, and Gavin Newsom will be a LOT less popular across the board. "Coastal Elite from California, but white and male" isn't the magic bullet you all seem to think that it is. From what I remember, Arizona was pretty close was it not? Either way, that no longer matters. What matters is that we find someone charismatic in the way that Obama/Clinton were (not the policies, just the charm) and have a 2008 style blowout for 2028.
ClashAndBurn Posted Saturday at 04:10 AM Posted Saturday at 04:10 AM 2 minutes ago, CandyCoatedClouds said: Do you think we can convince Andy beshear to go to charisma classes? Do they offer those? If so then he desperately needs to go. From what I remember, Arizona was pretty close was it not? Either way, that no longer matters. What matters is that we find someone charismatic in the way that Obama/Clinton were (not the policies, just the charm) and have a 2008 style blowout for 2028. The best Democrats can hope for in 2028 is one final narrow 270-268 victory before reapportionment makes it impossible to ever win the presidency ever again. Part of the reason for that is because Gavin Newsom being a horrible governor has driven a mass exodus from California, weakening the state's population and losing the state at least four Congressional districts. Similarly, Kathy Hochul being a horrible governor in New York is also driving people away from that state in droves as well. Neoliberal governing is rotting away in real time, and the people who don't seem to see that are the neoliberals who reject any significant changes to the system in favor of incremental changes that wouldn't be felt for lifetimes. Arizona was the swing state Dems performed the worst in. Kamala Harris lost to Trump by 5.5% 1
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted Saturday at 04:54 AM ATRL Moderator Posted Saturday at 04:54 AM 52 minutes ago, CandyCoatedClouds said: Do you think we can convince Andy beshear to go to charisma classes? Do they offer those? If so then he desperately needs to go. The last thing Andy Beshear needs is a seminar class on how to sound more like a DC insider. Him sounding like a basic ass dude is literally part of his appeal. 1
woohoo Posted Saturday at 06:33 AM Posted Saturday at 06:33 AM (edited) I'm not really worried about progressive policies anymore I'm more about just hanging onto dear life of what we've got. One, nobody n is gonna unite leftists, progressives, liberals and moderate dems, number two, it hasn't quite hit people yet that with a 6-3 Supreme Court the progressive agenda is dead. Medicare for all, housing issues, minimum wage increases, etc are all getting overturned by them just because they can. We lost this war in 2016 and 2024 just convinced me of that even more. Gen alpha might get lucky and see trumps three seats open up when they are in their 40s but as for the rest of us, you might as well accept things as they are now is as good as it's getting for us. Edited Saturday at 03:36 PM by woohoo 1
Marianah Adkins Posted Saturday at 06:43 AM Posted Saturday at 06:43 AM Just to tone down the fatalist mood here atm: https://x.com/punished_jess/status/1862340015616868495?s=46 (how do you emb a tweet here nnnn) Anyway, nnnn Al Gore is ******* attractive but he is so stiff in the wrong places I can see why Dubya had some traction.
Bloodflowers. Posted Saturday at 12:06 PM Posted Saturday at 12:06 PM This will be actually vile if it's coming true. The bar is low in the pits of hell for Trump but damn, he still managed to dig lower. His cabinet picks will convince him that he is making genuine good moves here which is the scary part 1
GraceRandolph Posted Saturday at 12:14 PM Posted Saturday at 12:14 PM 5 hours ago, woohoo said: We lost this war in 2016 Thank you to the geniuses who thought Hillary Clinton was more viable than Bernie Sanders.
ClashAndBurn Posted Saturday at 12:53 PM Posted Saturday at 12:53 PM "Kamala will flip Texas!" (Texas then goes on to be redder than New York is blue) ATRL liberals 1
Armani? Posted Saturday at 05:19 PM Posted Saturday at 05:19 PM 10 hours ago, woohoo said: I'm not really worried about progressive policies anymore I'm more about just hanging onto dear life of what we've got. One, nobody n is gonna unite leftists, progressives, liberals and moderate dems, number two, it hasn't quite hit people yet that with a 6-3 Supreme Court the progressive agenda is dead. Medicare for all, housing issues, minimum wage increases, etc are all getting overturned by them just because they can. We lost this war in 2016 and 2024 just convinced me of that even more. Gen alpha might get lucky and see trumps three seats open up when they are in their 40s but as for the rest of us, you might as well accept things as they are now is as good as it's getting for us. I suppose in a world where they pass Medicaid For All, they would expand the the Supreme Court. So basically it isn't passing anyway
CandyCoatedClouds Posted Saturday at 06:29 PM Posted Saturday at 06:29 PM 13 hours ago, Bloo said: The last thing Andy Beshear needs is a seminar class on how to sound more like a DC insider. Him sounding like a basic ass dude is literally part of his appeal. I don't want him to sound like a DC insider. In fact, I genuinely don't care about charisma as a whole, but others do. They want someone they find charming.
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