Bears01 Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 9 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: That blue wave was entirely worthless They lost Senate seats. You know. The more important of the two chambers??? They re-empowered one of their worst Speakers who'd already overseen the loss of 1,000 seats nationally alongside the failures of Obama and Biden, because they're run by a gerontocracy. They lost almost as many seats in 2020 as they gained in 2018, ending up with a thinner majority than what they're currently making fun of Republicans for having. The only thing winning the House let them do was start politicized impeachment processes that only made Trump more popular. Slightly inaccurate, while I agree with most of what you're saying. They ended 2020 with 222 house seats. Republicans will have at most 221 seats, possibly 220 seats. That year was critical toward them getting the senate back in 2020 and being able to get some of the policy they got through in Washington in 2021-2024 from bills, judges, lina khan etc 1
XDNA Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 13 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: That blue wave was entirely worthless They lost Senate seats. You know. The more important of the two chambers??? They re-empowered one of their worst Speakers who'd already overseen the loss of 1,000 seats nationally alongside the failures of Obama and Biden, because they're run by a gerontocracy. They lost almost as many seats in 2020 as they gained in 2018, ending up with a thinner majority than what they're currently making fun of Republicans for having. The only thing winning the House let them do was start politicized impeachment processes that only made Trump more popular. There's a lot of nuance to unpack here which is not worth the time. Regardless, if you think Trump's presidency would not have been worse with a house majority throughout the end of his first term - just join his party already. 1
ClashAndBurn Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 4 minutes ago, XDNA said: There's a lot of nuance to unpack here which is not worth the time. Regardless, if you think Trump's presidency would not have been worse with a house majority throughout the end of his first term - just join his party already. And you want ATRL liberals to double down on burying their heads in an echo chamber by demanding we stop embedding tweets and post BlueSky links instead. The echo chamber **** is why y'all are losing. I remember I was one of the only ones here acknowledging that Dems were flopping so hard that they would lose the popular vote to Trump, and I was roasted as delusional by every single other poster in here. Also, sure. Trump's presidency may have been mitigated, but that could have been achieved with a weak flip of the House. The fact that Republicans lost 40 seats didn't mean much because most of those seats were just gained back the next cycle. The blue wave didn't stop us from losing RBG's seat. It didn't save Roe v. Wade. It didn't see him removed from office. It made him the most persecuted president and he was just vindicated while all Dems have to show for the last eight years has been a massive repudiation of neoliberalism.
Harrier Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 56 minutes ago, Tovitov said: 8 years is a long time. 2008 had Obama flipping Indiana and almost flipping Montana and Missouri. 2016 had Hillary losing all three states by like 20 points. Who knows what 2028 and 2032 will bring. Literally. It's hard to say what will happen even in 4 years time, let alone 8 - we have Bernie looking like he might form a third party, an impending presidential term that is certain to be chaotic. The only thing that is certain with Trump at the end and everyone connected to Obama gone, 2028/32 will be the end of the Obama-Trump era of American politics. Who knows where things are going next. Anyone making strong predictions is kidding themselves 1
Communion Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago (edited) 1 hour ago, Tovitov said: 8 years is a long time. 2008 had Obama flipping Indiana and almost flipping Montana and Missouri. 2016 had Hillary losing all three states by like 20 points. Who knows what 2028 and 2032 will bring. I mean, yes, but the bold was product of social change and anger predicated on a historical terror attack on American soil and one of the most transformative anti-war moments in America's history that fundamentally de-facto stopped America's boots-on-the-ground strategy. 2000: IN - Bush +15 / MT - Bush +25 / MO - Bush +3 2008: IN - Obama +1 / MT - McCain +2 / MO - McCain +0.1 2016: IN - Trump +19 / MT - Trump +21 / MO - Trump +19 So it just wasn't that time passed, but Democrats understood the series of events as they unfolded and that Bush's legacy made Republicans deeply unpopular and could weaponize that (ironically in a way that Trump seemingly did against Biden on Harris). It feels like Dems are in the culturally unpopular point that Republicans found themselves in the late 2000s where even dedicated partisan conservatives flat deflated and embarrassed by Bush. Even the pop cultural artifacts at the time have switched from being anti-GOP (American Idiot) to pro-GOP. Who knows if Trump will implode like Bush did? In hindsight, "We're Not Going Back" failed to address immediate needs in the way Obama's "Change" campaign did because Obama was leveraging the deeply unpopular legacy of Bush and making claims to address it (bringing home troops, ending the wars abroad). Framing McCain as a continuation of Bush just like Harris was cornered into being nothing but a continuation of Biden. The strongest strategy in modern politics still remains just... lying and making an enemy out of your opponent, promising to address all of the the issues with a common enemy - and not just what you blame your opponent for, but every single thing American voters feel is worsening their life. Dems seemingly knee-capped by the refusal to address economic resentment at the cost of their donors. Edited 2 hours ago by Communion 1
ClashAndBurn Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 9 minutes ago, Harrier said: Literally. It's hard to say what will happen even in 4 years time, let alone 8 - we have Bernie looking like he might form a third party, an impending presidential term that is certain to be chaotic. The only thing that is certain with Trump at the end and everyone connected to Obama gone, 2028/32 will be the end of the Obama-Trump era of American politics. Who knows where things are going next. Anyone making strong predictions is kidding themselves Literally? The safest prediction one could make is that the next presidential race will be between an Obama impersonator vs. Trump's current VP The dems are already saying "we need to move right and become more Republican to compete." They're already signaling that they want to abandon the left so that every election from now on can be 1940s German Nazis vs. 2000s Bush Neocons. Why don't you believe them when they say that's the direction they fully want to go in?
GhostBox Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago you know what, for Harris to get 75 million votes after only campaigning for 100 days is still pretty incredible 👏🏼 2 1
Bears01 Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago Just now, GhostBox said: you know what, for Harris to get 75 million votes after only campaigning for 100 days is still pretty incredible 👏🏼 She lost to a politician who at no point in his career has ever been popular until literally now…. 1
GhostBox Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 10 minutes ago, Bears01 said: She lost to a politician who at no point in his career has ever been popular until literally now…. Eh. We still can still give kudos to what she was able to do in such a short time.
Blankspace2010 Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 2 hours ago, Save-Me-Oprah said: Lady G looks a mess As if Europe gives a ****. American economy is in the shitter and about to implode
Gaia Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago I think it's pretty clear that JD Vance agreed to run with Trump strictly for his political profile. He made it clear he did not like Trump prior to being picked as the VP. The ONLY way anyone would switch up like that and eat their pride to that degree is their own gain far outweighs in this context. I'm almost certain he will hardly be seen with Trump or public endorse Trump in the next 4 years so in 2028 he can run without a heavy association with Trump. As you can see in this election, Kamala and Biden being seen as a duo negatively impacted Kamala's likeability as everyone blamed her equally for anything Biden did despite her NOT actually being the president. I think Vance is happy to have Musk play as Trump's little puppy while he sits back and watches the **** show
Save-Me-Oprah Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago last time the Democrats had a serious candidate for governor in Florida they only lost by like 0.4% (2018) if they put up Gaetz for governor and the democrats actually put someone good up it's over for the Republicans 1
Armani? Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago My Biden vs Trump electoral map based on his 538 poll numbers before he dropped out. The poll error was +3 Trump this cycle so Trump's margin of victory is a bit over +6. In reality it would probably be worse than this if he stayed in the race RFK was still in so that's why there is a gap. 1
ClashAndBurn Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 3 minutes ago, Armani? said: My Biden vs Trump electoral map based on his 538 poll numbers before he dropped out. The poll error was also +3 Trump so Trump's margin of victory is +6. In reality it would probably be worse than this if he stayed in the race RFK was still in so that's why they're a gap. Yeah but… He deserved the respect and dignity of losing in a landslide and taking the entire party down with him.
Armani? Posted 31 minutes ago Posted 31 minutes ago 27 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: Yeah but… He deserved the respect and dignity of losing in a landslide and taking the entire party down with him. These people genuinely exist?
Blankspace2010 Posted 27 minutes ago Posted 27 minutes ago 1 hour ago, GhostBox said: you know what, for Harris to get 75 million votes after only campaigning for 100 days is still pretty incredible 👏🏼 People don't need 100 days to decide… Ireland just called a general election and parties have 3 weeks to campaign. American campaigning times are ludicrous. People don't need year long campaigns to decide who to vote for. I'm unsure why you think more time would have garnered her more or less votes when the reality is she had terrible messaging, ran a terrible campaign and was a terrible candidate that ran in line with Cheneys.
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