DevilsRollTheDice Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago 44 minutes ago, brazil said: Democrat entushiasm is probably from people thinking it will help convince people on the right or center to vote Democrat, but clearly it didn't have that effect... This is the takeaway overall. People either want to characterize it as a smart strategic move or the blunder that cost her the election, but the data implies that it didn't really do anything. 1
Communion Posted 14 hours ago Posted 14 hours ago 3 hours ago, DevilsRollTheDice said: To be clear I think LC is a POS, but this is a weird way to interpret this data. This specific dataset shows a +4 positive effect for the Cheney endorsement overall and proves that it didn't really isolate her base. In fact, it had a clear positive effect for Democratic voters The logic here is that partisan Democrats are losers and will defend anything their leaders do even if they don't actually support it or believe it. That the only group who could lie to themselves enough and go "this is a great move!!! Makes me wanna vote more!!! Slay mama!!!" is Dems when the move was intentionally aimed at everyone but them shows it as an innate failure. 1
Communion Posted 14 hours ago Posted 14 hours ago 1 hour ago, brazil said: Democrat entushiasm is probably from people thinking it will help convince people on the right or center to vote Democrat, but clearly it didn't have that effect... Republican partisans demand their elected officials win. Democratic partisans therapy-speak and find glory in their electeds being losers. 4 1
woohoo Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago I think what we are witnessing Is the perfect storm for republicans. Let's face it, Americans are ******* stupid. It's just true. The republicans spent decades defunding schools and then Putin was able to move in with the use of social media and bots to brainwash what few brain cells the American public has to create this electorate we have now. There's not a progressive democrat or leftist or moderate that's gonna wake these people up. They can promise free healthcare and even some of the impossible **** trump said like zero federal income tax and they'd see a D next to their name just think pedophile communist and the candidate is toast. Even if Trump destroys the country they'll say it was Bidens policy's having an "after effect" and these morons will buy it 100%. We are ****** 1 2
Communion Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago 28 minutes ago, woohoo said: I think what we are witnessing Is the perfect storm for republicans. Let's face it, Americans are ******* stupid. It's just true. The republicans spent decades defunding schools and then Putin was able to move in with the use of social media and bots to brainwash what few brain cells the American public has to create this electorate we have now. There's not a progressive democrat or leftist or moderate that's gonna wake these people up. They can promise free healthcare and even some of the impossible **** trump said like zero federal income tax and they'd see a D next to their name just think pedophile communist and the candidate is toast. Even if Trump destroys the country they'll say it was Bidens policy's having an "after effect" and these morons will buy it 100%. We are ****** So what you're saying is there's no point in the Democratic Party existing at all. 1 1
RihRihGirrrl Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago The fact that Trump had a whole pandemic under his watch with more than 1 million Americans dieing and he chooses to appoint someone to head the CDC who has no experience AND is an anti-vaxer is just.......They might as well strip away these cabinet titles cause none of the people he's choosing are qualified for their post....clearly, the goal here is to just build an army of loyalist around him and they will have no other job or expectation but to bend to his will. 1
RihRihGirrrl Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago Also I think at least 40% of the Country actually wants to be ruled by an authoritarian 2 1
anti-bitch Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 2 hours ago, woohoo said: I think what we are witnessing Is the perfect storm for republicans. Let's face it, Americans are ******* stupid. It's just true. The republicans spent decades defunding schools and then Putin was able to move in with the use of social media and bots to brainwash what few brain cells the American public has to create this electorate we have now. There's not a progressive democrat or leftist or moderate that's gonna wake these people up. They can promise free healthcare and even some of the impossible **** trump said like zero federal income tax and they'd see a D next to their name just think pedophile communist and the candidate is toast. Even if Trump destroys the country they'll say it was Bidens policy's having an "after effect" and these morons will buy it 100%. We are ****** 1 hour ago, Communion said: So what you're saying is there's no point in the Democratic Party existing at all. What gives me a bit of hope is that, after all, Trump's total votes figure is not much higher than in 2020, and the Senate and House results show, there must have been at least some split-ticketing happening. So, perhaps, if Biden had stepped aside earlier, and there was a proper primary process, this election would have been winnable. Because of how unpredictable life seems right now, I expect the "anti-incumbent" pendulum swinging to continue, and that alone could work in Dems favor in '26 and '28. Just promising stability and "adult in the room" type behavior, together with some left-leaning policy proposals, could be the winning message again, just like in 2020. I like how AOC lashed out against the anti-trans talk few days ago. I don't want Dems to just roll over and wait for the pendulum swing, but act now. My hope is in the youngest members of the party to lead the way in fight for human rights. 1
ClashAndBurn Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago 6 hours ago, CandyCoatedClouds said: Letting things get bad for them will also result in things getting bad for us. For example, what if H5N1 becomes the next epidemic or pandemic? What happens when RFK outright bans the making of vaccines so you or I get sick and die? If things get bad for Republicans, they get even worse for us. Also democrats are lacking on backbone. If we see someone show strength and resist the nonsense, then it may make others think of planning and showing strength too. Resistance did nothing for all of 2017-2019. In fact, Ukrainegate actually made Trump more popular after impeachment failed and he probably would have sailed to re-election even easier than he did this year if COVID hadn't happened. Something else to keep in mind is that Democrats have no path to taking back the Senate, and after reapportionment in 2030, they have no real path to taking back the presidency either.
FameFatale Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago MAGAs are mad over the surgeon general pick actually being pro vaccine
Tovitov Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 4 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: Resistance did nothing for all of 2017-2019. In fact, Ukrainegate actually made Trump more popular after impeachment failed and he probably would have sailed to re-election even easier than he did this year if COVID hadn't happened. Something else to keep in mind is that Democrats have no path to taking back the Senate, and after reapportionment in 2030, they have no real path to taking back the presidency either. The 270 EV Blue States + PA, WI, MI, NE2 would go down to 256 EV. It would mean democrats would need to also win GA, NC or AZ + NV. It makes a win harder but nowhere near impossible. I get being negative after November but to say democrats have no path in 2032 is absurd. 1
ClashAndBurn Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago 1 hour ago, Tovitov said: The 270 EV Blue States + PA, WI, MI, NE2 would go down to 256 EV. It would mean democrats would need to also win GA, NC or AZ + NV. It makes a win harder but nowhere near impossible. I get being negative after November but to say democrats have no path in 2032 is absurd. You think this worthless failure of a party has any path to flipping those states after they just lost every single one of them to a 34-times-convicted felon and insurrectionist?
Katamari Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago 1 hour ago, FameFatale said: I guess Elon is living there at this point JD has been replaced this is going to be crushing breakup if it happens
Tovitov Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago 19 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: You think this worthless failure of a party has any path to flipping those states after they just lost every single one of them to a 34-times-convicted felon and insurrectionist? 8 years is a long time. 2008 had Obama flipping Indiana and almost flipping Montana and Missouri. 2016 had Hillary losing all three states by like 20 points. Who knows what 2028 and 2032 will bring.
ClashAndBurn Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago 1 minute ago, Tovitov said: 8 years is a long time. 2008 had Obama flipping Indiana and almost flipping Montana and Missouri. 2016 had Hillary losing all three states by like 20 points. Who knows what 2028 and 2032 will bring. 2028 is extremely predictable. Democrats will run to the right of where they've ever run before, with either Josh Shapiro or Jared Golden as their nominee, with either a Never-Trump Republican (Kinzinger/Cheney) or a Republican-lite Dem (Marie Glusenkamp Perez, Joe Manchin, Elissa Slotkin) running mate. A progressive gadfly will run trying to take advantage of a divided field, but the moderates will coalesce behind whomever Jim Clyburn endorses ahead of the South Carolina primary and that'll be that. Shapiro only has a path through the Blue Wall, which he could win! But he'll lose his re-election bid in 2032 because there's zero chance he wins a single Sun Belt state.
XDNA Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago 2 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said: Resistance did nothing for all of 2017-2019. In fact, Ukrainegate actually made Trump more popular after impeachment failed and he probably would have sailed to re-election even easier than he did this year if COVID hadn't happened. Something else to keep in mind is that Democrats have no path to taking back the Senate, and after reapportionment in 2030, they have no real path to taking back the presidency either. Did nothing? It made way for the blue wave of 2018.
ClashAndBurn Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago 11 minutes ago, XDNA said: Did nothing? It made way for the blue wave of 2018. That blue wave was entirely worthless They lost Senate seats. You know. The more important of the two chambers??? They re-empowered one of their worst Speakers who'd already overseen the loss of 1,000 seats nationally alongside the failures of Obama and Biden, because they're run by a gerontocracy. They lost almost as many seats in 2020 as they gained in 2018, ending up with a thinner majority than what they're currently making fun of Republicans for having. The only thing winning the House let them do was start politicized impeachment processes that only made Trump more popular.
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