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[wastedpotential]

45 minutes ago, Vermillion said:

 

I'm not sure who's a "blocker" and who's a real deal pick, but I can subscribe to point 2. I have a feeling at least one of Gaetz, Gabbard, and Hegseth were tossed into the ring just to distract from the other picks (though idk why he'd bother, it's not as if people like Rubio or Burgum would've ever had any issues getting through), but maybe I just have too high of an opinion of Susie Wiles' shrewdness and ability to play her boss 

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[Communion]

1 hour ago, Vermillion said:

Only broad-based approaches on the level of permanently installing the Covid benefits that lifted kids out of poverty is enough to turn polling and override the anti-trans MAGA campaign (bolstered by 2023 polling above 60% by KFF/Wapo in favor of banning hormones for minors)

It's good there party-id data broken down for this as it illustrates both 1) the point Republican extremism is far greater than any "extremism" on the left in terms of how each party differs from political independents and 2) that these grand-sweeping claims of how easy it will be to sacrifice trans people aren't true.

 

There's no area where political independents are closer to Republicans than they are Democrats, which makes the idea of conceding ground to Republicans odd:

https://www.kff.org/report-section/kff-the-washington-post-trans-survey-views-of-trans-people-and-issues/

 

Even with an issue like school sports that is the GOP's entry point, the Republican position is still farther from independents than the Democratic position.

 

Democrats are only 13-points to the left of independents, while Republicans are 35-points to the right of independents. What viability would there be in Democrats becoming the party of bullying transgender pre-teens out of playing soccer when *re-reads* 60% of Democrats think this is fine and are off-put by transphobia that suggests otherwise? In what world is prioritizing transphobia over minimum wage increases viable to an electorate base where 60% of Dems and nearly 50% of all independents (let alone Dem-leaning independents likely being greater) find said transphobia offensive?

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Communion

[DevilsRollTheDice]

1 hour ago, anti-***** said:

But abolishing slavery was "unpopular" back in the day (and probably still is in some places). If standing up for human rights makes you lose elections, that just means the voters are wrong, and you need to keep fighting for what you believe is right.

 

The biggest obstacle between trans rights is that people just don't understand how it works, that how it's possible for someone's head to not "match" with some parts of their body. And there's still a plenty of people who don't understand how it's possible to be attracted to the same sex. These are problems in the education system. Banning people from talking about LGBTQ+ topics is not going to make them go away.

I'm sorry but equating specific issues like trans women in women's sports and youth gender medicine to slavery is an insane and borderline offensive comparison and sums up why many people view this as leaving logic behind.
 

One of the reasons that this is political dead man's land is that there is a lot of genuine gray area when it comes to some of these issues. Fairness in sports and medical issues for minors is not cut and dry human rights like enslaving people. Acting like this is beyond discussion or debate is a big part of the problem for many voters. 
 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by DevilsRollTheDice

[anti-bitch]

10 minutes ago, DevilsRollTheDice said:

I'm sorry but equating specific issues like trans women in women's sports and youth gender medicine to slavery is an insane and borderline offensive comparison and sums up why many people view this as leaving logic behind.
 

One of the reasons that this is political dead man's land is that there is a lot of genuine gray area when it comes to some of these issues. Fairness in sports and medical issues for minors is not cut and dry human rights like enslaving people. Acting like this is beyond discussion or debate is a big part of the problem for many voters. 
 

 

I just said that about slavery to point out that just because something is unpopular, it doesn't mean it's wrong. Gay rights and women's rights have been unpopular in the past, too, but we should be grateful to the people that came before us, who never stopped fighting for us.

 

Also, I think the "fairness in sports" argument and minors being able to get transgender treatment are linked together, because if transgender girls were allowed to start at least hormonal treatments before puberty, that would prevent them from ever developing an adult male body type, what gets called as "an unfair biological advantage." That would solve it.

[Baby Dancer]

"Fairness in sports and medical issues for minors" is a dog whistle. The clueless layman should have no say in these topics.

[Communion]

"The GOP is actually politically reasonable and Dems should concede ground and abandon their exteremism on trans people to them"

 

[Corso]

What people tell pollsters and how they vote are two different things.

[Ashley Banks]

2 hours ago, Vermillion said:

 

Nobody should be happier about these picks than Hegseth  People were mocking him at first, but he'll sail through confirmation now. Probably Tulsi too. I think Gaetz and RFK Jr. are the only ones who might get struck down.

 

[Bears01]

1 minute ago, Corso said:

What people tell pollsters and how they vote are two different things.

I agree with this take. But it completely varies by state. 
 

As we seen in this election, abortion and wage increases are really popular in some places, and abortion specifically is a nothing burger in others. 
 

Even California did pretty mediocre in a law that protected LGBTQ protections 

[Communion]

8 minutes ago, Corso said:

What people tell pollsters and how they vote are two different things.

This is just then coping about anything that argues everything that doesn't portray Americans as far-right is a lie.

The polls claiming swing state voters were shifted by trans issues themselves can be inaccurate for the same issue.

 

If the argument is that votes speak, then I assume main priorities for Dems and Republicans will be things like... capping credit card interest at 10% like Trump promised?

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Communion

[VOSS]

Cheering this on while supporting the Trump tariffs is… something

[Virgos Groove]

They could even be a former prosecutor and campaign with a Cheney! I wonder why no one's thought of that yet…

[rivers]

22 hours ago, Vermillion said:

 

why did she say thank you at the end? Should've told him "**** YOU". Days of cancellation are over. He's going to get a Fox News job in a matter of weeks or he'll set up a go fund me and people will donate like crazy.