news 2024 US Election Megathread 🇺🇸🏛️

[Bewitched]

 

[Vermillion]

 

[Armani?]

1 minute ago, Bewitched said:

 

What's the point?

[Communion]

2 hours ago, Tovitov said:

She's politically savvy enough to win in a Trump state. Still, I get your point. 

Feels noteworthy that if even one of the most conservative members of the House Dems callsd for conditioning aid to Israel, because her internals showed Harris losing the state, that maybe Harris should have probably too. 

 

 

Edited Sunday at 09:49 PM by Communion

[Lil Mistee]

Wait omg the Dems should use sigodney weavers powers as universal likability and near egot status as a way to put her in the presidents seat 

[Samson]

I keep seeing ppl online say Bernie's theory of politics was proven a failure on Tuesday night and I'm literally so confused because WHAT could they be possibly talking about 

[Lil Mistee]

1 minute ago, Armani? said:

What's the point?

A woman president yay! 

[Vermillion]

2 minutes ago, Armani? said:

Also a n**** I know of is like that. He's a magat, but just conversing with him he said he liked Bernie & would vote for him I was confused, because they're ideologically the opposite

I'm getting PTSD to 2016 primary deja vu where this EXACT argument was made then rebutted and fought over for endless pages on the horseshoe theory  

[Communion]

1 minute ago, Armani? said:

What's the point?

This would.......... do nothing material for black women and would be the worst kind of empty politics that gives ammo to the right's claims of "diversity hires" and "forced diversity".

 

Someone who loses the presidential race by losing all swing states should, under no understanding, then go on and get to be president for 2 months as a 2nd-place prize.

 

"Honorable Judge Harris" is one thing. President by Default is.. embarrassing to Harris to even offer or consider.

[ClashAndBurn]

Just now, Vroom Vroom said:

Luck is the residue of design. 
The explanation for a dem win can't always be luck.

 

Trumpism is all about flawed candidates building a cult of personalities. They win Republican primaries easily and then struggle in general elections (in swing states). If republicans nominate a candidate who is similar to Trump, but not Trump, Democrats might "get lucky" again.

 

But, the republicans seem hyper aware of this. They are grooming Vance to be Trumpism Lite. He might not even get the nomination, in recent history Republican vice presidents have not faired well in getting nominated by their party (Quayle, Cheney, Pence), unlike democrats who almost always nominate vice presidents.
Hawley, Cruz and DeSantis are already preparing their best Trump impressions 

Look. Dem wins this past decade have ALL been down to luck.

 

Biden won in 2020 because of COVID.

 

Dems didn't get wiped out in 2022 because Dobbs saved them from utter annihilation. Obviously that effect didn't even last two years.

 

And now Senate Dems won their coin flip races with fewer votes than Harris got in some cases. Why? Because of enough Trump voters being dumb enough to only vote for the top of the ticket and leave the rest blank.

Rosen didn't win in Nevada because of split-ticketers. Gallego had split ticket support and he barely won. Slotkin also barely won in a state that had a blue trifecta (which was just lost). All of that is down to luck. Not skill. Not broad appeal. None of that.

 

You're trying to push hopium at a time where hopelessness is understandably at all time highs. Thats admirable, but there's not really any comeback in the cards for a party that doubles down on hollow neoliberalism in the face of their ideology getting thoroughly rejected.

 

 

[Bloo]

2 minutes ago, Samson said:

I keep seeing ppl online say Bernie's theory of politics was proven a failure on Tuesday night and I'm literally so confused because WHAT could they be possibly talking about 

It’s called delusion. Quite the opposite happened. 

[Samson]

Just now, Bloo said:

It’s called delusion. Quite the opposite happened. 

I'm sitting here rereading these tweets thinking that I became illiterate or something

[Vermillion]

2 minutes ago, Samson said:

I keep seeing ppl online say Bernie's theory of politics was proven a failure on Tuesday night and I'm literally so confused because WHAT could they be possibly talking about 

The bigotry of Latino men, likely.

 

I hate that it feels like no one's willing to budge to take any lessons from this, cultural or economic  

 

That goes for both progressives AND liberals  

[Armani?]

7 minutes ago, Vermillion said:

I'm getting PTSD to 2016 primary deja vu where this EXACT argument was made then rebutted and fought over for endless pages on the horseshoe theory  

Bernie isn't even a communist or socialist, Trump is much more far right now than Bernie is to the left

 

I guess it's just because they're both populist in their own flavor.

Edited Sunday at 09:58 PM by Armani?

[americanlife]

Why am I seeing a bunch of TikTok's of Dems doubting the election results. The delusion

[Cruel Summer]

5 minutes ago, Samson said:

I keep seeing ppl online say Bernie's theory of politics was proven a failure on Tuesday night and I'm literally so confused because WHAT could they be possibly talking about 

I honestly think it's just people who are having profound difficulty with their world view being so thoroughly rejected that they're scrambling for alternative explanations, looking anywhere but inward. And, I mean, I get it. It's not easy to reckon with where our country is, even as a leftist, but it wasn't my ideology that was essentially tossed in the trash - I imagine that's even harder.

[Lil Mistee]

1 minute ago, americanlife said:

Why am I seeing a bunch of TikTok's of Dems doubting the election results. The delusion

Le horseshoe

[ClashAndBurn]

3 minutes ago, Samson said:

I keep seeing ppl online say Bernie's theory of politics was proven a failure on Tuesday night and I'm literally so confused because WHAT could they be possibly talking about 

"Do things for working people and they will reward you"

 

when really, Biden's policies were delivering more for union leaders than their membership. Millions of people were kicked off Medicaid by Joe Biden. Child poverty doubled when the child tax credit crumbled under Joe Biden. Wages went up, but people want low prices and don't really notice their higher buying power when essential purchases eat into their wallets much more than they did four years before.

 

Theyll never see it this way, but what they will do is fail to see that none of what they did was actually felt by real people. So instead, we're going to get bipartisan bans on trans people existing, and both parties running on austerity + union busting.

[Vermillion]

1 minute ago, Armani? said:

Bernie isn't even a communist or socialist, Trump is much more far right now than Bernie is to the left

You don't need to tell me  

[Bears01]

12 minutes ago, Bewitched said:

 

I think I speak for the overwhelming majority of people, that wish her and Biden should both just finish their terms up, and go away. Thank you, but BYE. Americans clearly don't care about "symbolic victories" like this, something democrats have based their entire platform on for too long now, while ignoring actual needs in this country. 
 

When Biden's term ends, a new party and a new way forward needs to be born. 
 

Again: nobody cares about "THE FIRST WOMEN PRESIDENT" they want their bills paid and they want a change from the status quo. 

[Communion]

5 minutes ago, Samson said:

I'm sitting here rereading these tweets thinking that I became illiterate or something

 

5 minutes ago, Vermillion said:

The bigotry of Latino men, likely.

 

I hate that it feels like no one's willing to budge to take any lessons from this, cultural or economic  

 

That goes for both progressives AND liberals  

I think some of these replies are not aware of who the actual neoliberal paying for Twitter in 2024 are and what their actual views are. 

 

Like someone shared tweets from that "Nicky Frank" account punching left - who I saw tweet out before that Palestinians are Islamist terrorists who kill gays - and have come to see that 95% of neoliberals on twitter railing against the realization we need more class-oriented politics are themselves just far-right capitalists.

 

Like this guy - who is a literal real estate developer and whose hot takes keep showing up on my tl despite only 5k followers - is just doing reverse woke-scolding.

 

Somehow there is a "woke white elite faction" of the Democratic Party but it's not the neoliberals and the consultant class, it's... the guy who dominated Latino support 4 years ago!

 

 

[anti-bitch]

Wait, Bernardo kinda snapped here. 

 

 

[Communion]

Like I'm sorry but centrists still doing THAT of all things is proof to me that there's no reason to re-litigate everything and just double-down that Bernie was right. (sorry sis nkkjnk @Vermillion).

 

It's not progressives going "you know what? I want healthcare and I'm tired of caring about trans people getting in the way of that, throw them in the fire!!!".

 

It's neoliberal bot accounts being like "of course voters don't want WOKE PC NONSENSE....ESPECIALLY NOT IVY LEAGUE ELITES PUSHING LEFTIST POLICIES!!!"

 

It's people like Seth Moulton and Tom Suozzi with their awful, right-wing records in Congress going "The people don't want $17/hr... they want TO INVADE CHINA AND BAN MALES IN SPORTS!!!". And on the opposite end, the same race reductionist people don't even hold the same clout they did in 2016. No one cares whether or not some six-figure DC consultant who finds that progressive politics is too associated with white males - ignoring how non-white the movement in 2020 was - and thus is bad.

 

It's like everyone is waiting for some gotcha to happen of a reality where progressives converge or expose themselves as reactionaries and.. it's just not happening.

 

These are the progressives in Congress!! (Cori & Jamaal :(...). Summer Lee literally represents Western PA!

The fruits of Sanders' movement is a largely working class movement of diverse leaders.

 

 

Edited Sunday at 10:23 PM by Communion

[Armani?]

 

[GraceRandolph]

42 minutes ago, Bewitched said:

 

Politics are a joke nowadays