Relampago. Posted Sunday at 06:43 PM Posted Sunday at 06:43 PM I'd also like to say, people seem to realize Republicans are dominating the cultural conversation. Well… Democrats let them! Everything Democrats do is in reaction to what Republicans do. Republicans move right? Let's chase them! Republicans run anti-Trans ads? Let's give half-assed answers on transgender care! Republicans love funding foreign wars? We love it more AND we regret how we pulled out of Afghanistan! At some point Dems are going to have to to start making their own claims and sticking to them. You're the party of women? Alright! Keep putting women in power and don't back off. You're the party of inclusivity? Alright! Let's allow Palestinians and trans people who are community leaders to speak at our events. You're the party of the working class? Alright! Let's see union leaders at the forefront of our image, with the economic policy to boot! These ideas might not be immediately popular in the moment, but if you want them to ever succeed, then you can't back away from them— that just says the opposition is correct. If we want these "left wing influencers" to happen, then we need to give them a reason to exist. There's just not a market for that right now because Republicans are the ones people see as "going against the grain". 2 10
Cruel Summer Posted Sunday at 06:44 PM Posted Sunday at 06:44 PM 29 minutes ago, khalyan said: It really has NOTHING to do with looks and gender. AOC could be the best messenger for anti-establishment progressive policies, and be the obvious heir to a Bernie Sanders' sequel campaign if she was interested in running. We should not pursue a white straight man over AOC just because we're afraid of the perceived dynamics if that white straight man isn't as strong on his platform. Honestly, I'm not personally convinced AOC is as much a lost cause as some seem to think, and I agree with you that prioritizing a straight white man feels wrong. If one turns up who has the right policies and character and charisma, then sure, that's fine, but right now I think she's the closest we have to what we need. I understand she's made some bad calls here and there, but I don't think we'll ever find a politician with a truly perfect record, and she has a long career ahead of her with the right calls in the future. She's the one young progressive leader that I already feel could actually be a viable answer for the party in the future. 7
GhostBox Posted Sunday at 06:49 PM Posted Sunday at 06:49 PM I really like AOC but the dems will not be nominating a woman as their nominee for a while 💀 It's going to be a white dude in 28. yea it's not fair but 🤷
Communion Posted Sunday at 06:51 PM Posted Sunday at 06:51 PM 1 hour ago, Vermillion said: Electoral wipeout. Thank u, next. 1 hour ago, Tovitov said: I feel like she'd make a good VP candidate if she's popular enough. Young, midwestern, decent speaker. (Elissa Slotkin was actually the most conservative House Dem for like a good year before she had to bump herself up to like Bottom 15% to run for Senate) No one wants to vote for CIA Dems, please dear lord. She literally could only run for the Senate seat because Dem party brokers gave her a clear-field primary. She's not politically savvy no matter her appearance.
popstyle Posted Sunday at 06:52 PM Posted Sunday at 06:52 PM (edited) ok we just have to wait Edited Sunday at 06:56 PM by popstyle
Vermillion Posted Sunday at 06:53 PM Posted Sunday at 06:53 PM 8 minutes ago, FameFatale said: Well our worst nightmare is coming true. As I predicted. I KNEW the Borasso and Thune reporting didn't have the base behind it. Rick Scott is going to make Mitch McConnell look like Mother Theresa. It's also going to further damage his archrival's chance at national politics, Ron DeSantis. Which is about the only silver lining I can see in any of this.
Vermillion Posted Sunday at 06:55 PM Posted Sunday at 06:55 PM 1 minute ago, popstyle said: Yall starlink was linked to swing states poll sites. People are showing satalites coming down last night in the sky . I saw it in PA. Something is up this election was stolen! Its not over. These machines were run by elon!!! search it up on tiktok and twitter its going viral Girl, please. I don't want to have to report your posts. Stop.
45seconds Posted Sunday at 06:57 PM Posted Sunday at 06:57 PM 7 minutes ago, Relampago. said: I'd also like to say, people seem to realize Republicans are dominating the cultural conversation. Well… Democrats let them! Everything Democrats do is in reaction to what Republicans do. Republicans move right? Let's chase them! Republicans run anti-Trans ads? Let's give half-assed answers on transgender care! Republicans love funding foreign wars? We love it more AND we regret how we pulled out of Afghanistan! At some point Dems are going to have to to start making their own claims and sticking to them. You're the party of women? Alright! Keep putting women in power and don't back off. You're the party of inclusivity? Alright! Let's allow Palestinians and trans people who are community leaders to speak at our events. You're the party of the working class? Alright! Let's see union leaders at the forefront of our image, with the economic policy to boot! These ideas might not be immediately popular in the moment, but if you want them to ever succeed, then you can't back away from them— that just says the opposition is correct. If we want these "left wing influencers" to happen, then we need to give them a reason to exist. There's just not a market for that right now because Republicans are the ones people see as "going against the grain". You are forgetting some fundamental truths. The right's talking points are traditionally American talking points. Trans rights wasnt a thing, gay rights wasn't, women in power wasn't a thing. Those talking points are what a lot of Americans view as common sense because that has been the traditional view of America since its founding. So right wing media has a massive advantage to begin with. The reason why there aren't left wing media influencers is because the mainstream media does it for the left. SNL, all the late shows, most tv shows. Which in turn powers right wing influencers (eg. libs of tik tok) with ammunition to use. There isn't an easy solution to the influencer question.
Cruel Summer Posted Sunday at 06:57 PM Posted Sunday at 06:57 PM *opens Elissa Slotkin's Wikipedia page because idkher.gif* "opposes abolishing the death penalty" "opposes Medicare for All" "voted against DoD displaying pride flags" "voted against a student debt relief amendment" "condemned Rashida Tlaib" *closes Elissa Slotkin's Wikipedia page* 1 8
thedeathbymusic Posted Sunday at 06:58 PM Posted Sunday at 06:58 PM (edited) praising Biden/Harris/Walz and ceasefire bs aside, this was her "A Star is Born" moment. if anything, this election has taught us people respond to politicians who "keep it real" and AOC has (mostly) consistently spoken bluntly on her views and has that fiery edge to the way she speaks so passionately about working-class people, as seen in this speech. I don't think 2028 is the year, but if she continues to work overtime to rebuild a progressive, grassroots Bernie-equivalent coalition, I do see her having a chance to become the first female President as a response to the incoming Trump years. she needs to stay away from establishment Dems though and somehow convince the DNC that's the way forward. no celebrities. no traditional media approach. lean into Hasan and rising progressive creators (as she has naturally done with her Twitch stuff). I also do not think she needs to run for higher office as a means to establish her standing. Trump had never been elected for anything and he won the Presidency twice. if she did she may run the risk of being seen as an establishment Dem. I firmly agree with the "must run a white man" notion is another example of weak a** Dems being afraid and pivoting to the right's demands. f*** outta here. Edited Sunday at 07:07 PM by thedeathbymusic 5
Marianah Adkins Posted Sunday at 07:05 PM Posted Sunday at 07:05 PM 27 minutes ago, Vermillion said: I get the rationale behind asking her to resign but…..does Biden even have a replacement for her (or is he even aware??)
Cruel Summer Posted Sunday at 07:07 PM Posted Sunday at 07:07 PM 1 minute ago, Marianah Adkins said: I get the rationale behind asking her to resign but…..does Biden even have a replacement for her (or is he even aware??) Well, some liberal circles have been pushing a Harris nomination. 6
Beyonnaise Posted Sunday at 07:08 PM Posted Sunday at 07:08 PM You know. Maybe it's not that complicated. Perhaps we just need to find a young, hot, charming man with outsider appeal. We have four years
Communion Posted Sunday at 07:09 PM Posted Sunday at 07:09 PM 4 minutes ago, Cruel Summer said: *opens Elissa Slotkin's Wikipedia page because idkher.gif* "opposes abolishing the death penalty" "opposes Medicare for All" "voted against DoD displaying pride flags" "voted against a student debt relief amendment" "condemned Rashida Tlaib" *closes Elissa Slotkin's Wikipedia page* My favorite mythology of her corruptness is that she's a CIA plant and was part of the "anti-Squad" of "centrist women" - all CIA/FBI/etc. - that showed up in... 2018? And basically tried to ride the wave of "impeach Trump!" resistance liberalism to some prominence, with most failing. Rep. Chrissy Houlahan of Pennsylvania Rep. Elaine Luria of Virginia Rep. Mikie Sherill of New Jersey Rep. Abigail Spanberger of Virginia Rep. Elissa Slotkin of Michigan. 1
Virgos Groove Posted Sunday at 07:10 PM Posted Sunday at 07:10 PM (edited) 27 minutes ago, Relampago. said: I'd also like to say, people seem to realize Republicans are dominating the cultural conversation. Well… Democrats let them! Everything Democrats do is in reaction to what Republicans do. Republicans move right? Let's chase them! Republicans run anti-Trans ads? Let's give half-assed answers on transgender care! Republicans love funding foreign wars? We love it more AND we regret how we pulled out of Afghanistan! At some point Dems are going to have to to start making their own claims and sticking to them. You're the party of women? Alright! Keep putting women in power and don't back off. You're the party of inclusivity? Alright! Let's allow Palestinians and trans people who are community leaders to speak at our events. You're the party of the working class? Alright! Let's see union leaders at the forefront of our image, with the economic policy to boot! These ideas might not be immediately popular in the moment, but if you want them to ever succeed, then you can't back away from them— that just says the opposition is correct. If we want these "left wing influencers" to happen, then we need to give them a reason to exist. There's just not a market for that right now because Republicans are the ones people see as "going against the grain". This is something that has been on my mind for days now. During this entire campaign, the only time where Democrats were in control of the narrative was those three weeks after Biden dropped. Kamala as the nominee, Walz as VP (correct me if I'm wrong, he was the most popular figure in this whole election), JD Vance as Trump's VP pick and Trump's shooting failing to make a dent. It was the only time they weren't playing catch up. It was the only time where they were offering something to vote for, rather than against. And then she locked Tim in a cave somewhere and started berating Muslim voters, pandering to the seven remaining Never Trumpers in the whole country, talking about crypto for Black men (??? ) and outright saying she wouldn't change anything about Biden's policy, when this whole election was a referendum on Joe Biden's presidency. Then came the celebrities and it's like 2016 all over again, except Katy Perry is even more of a flop this time. How do you fumble an election like this? Edited Sunday at 07:11 PM by Virgos Groove 3 1 1
Bamboo Posted Sunday at 07:10 PM Posted Sunday at 07:10 PM If Trump is not damaged goods, AOC is not either. She's also been much less of a scapegoat for the right the last couple years or so. I would be interested to see her throw her hat in the 2028 primary. I think she will outperform expectations, but I am not convinced she will be the best choice. 3
Cruel Summer Posted Sunday at 07:11 PM Posted Sunday at 07:11 PM 1 minute ago, Communion said: My favorite mythology of her corruptness is that she's a CIA plant and was part of the "anti-Squad" of "centrist women" - all CIA/FBI/etc. - that showed up in... 2018? And basically tried to ride the wave of "impeach Trump!" resistance liberalism to some prominence, with most failing. Rep. Chrissy Houlahan of Pennsylvania Rep. Elaine Luria of Virginia Rep. Mikie Sherill of New Jersey Rep. Abigail Spanberger of Virginia Rep. Elissa Slotkin of Michigan. Not a ******* anti-Squad I need to dive into this now because somehow, I missed this one 1
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