news 2024 US Election Megathread 🇺🇸🏛️

[Vermillion]

2 minutes ago, Marianah Adkins said:

The thing is the libs do have their own media ecosystem. The mainstream media was and is always their centerpiece (hence why Fox News was created in the first place). 

 

The problem unfortunately is that the GP has lost trust with them. 

AND progressive media is dying or dead, for various reasons including not being being able to get funding because they're trying to get anonymous Hill sourcing that's against their very premise (The Intercept) or infighting (Ana and TYT, Briahna and Rising).

 

 

[Vespertine]

5 minutes ago, Marianah Adkins said:

The thing is the libs do have their own media ecosystem. The mainstream media was and is always their centerpiece (hence why Fox News was created in the first place). 

 

The problem unfortunately is that the GP has lost trust with them. 

It's not just about people losing trust. It's the fact that mass media as a whole is increasingly becoming a relic of the old days. Mainstream news channels have become increasingly irrelevant in the streaming and social media age. How many people under the age of 40 do you know who religiously watch the news on live television like our parents and grandparents do?

 

Libs still act like it's 2008 or 2012 in every respect — their media, their reliance on celebrity endorsements, and (obviously mostly importantly) their corporate centrist politics. 

 

They've also continued to shut out progressive media and progressive voices when we need them most, mostly in the name of "unity" and "stopping Trump." 

[Virgos Groove]

4 minutes ago, Marianah Adkins said:

The thing is the libs do have their own media ecosystem. The mainstream media was and is always their centerpiece (hence why Fox News was created in the first place). 

 

The problem unfortunately is that the GP has lost trust with them. 

"The media is pro-Trump whahhh whahhh. Everybody hates us whaaah "

 

*****, you have MSNBC, Vox, Colbert, John Oliver, SNL and most of Hollywood. It's not people's fault you're all insufferable dorks.

[Communion]

7 hours ago, anti-***** said:

We can keep writing these essays about what went wrong, and don't get me wrong,  I think it's healthy, but the Maga platform is so simple that they really don't have to think much when trying to "sell" it to the public. And also the people that it appeals to are perhaps more attracted to simplistic solutions rather than something complex, even if the "complex" solution actually was better for them in the long run.

 

It seems like many people can only understand short sentences, and that's how Obama spoke leading up to his presidency. Regardless of his political choices later, he was able to explain the early 2000s democratic platform to the public pretty well. Just getting a great public speaker, who seems serious, as the next nominee for president would help a lot. Kamala's laughing, although I think it's funny, could have turned enough people off.

Obama ran on hope and change lol 

 

This idea that Americans are stupid and thus Dems don't need progressive policies feels like a cope. 

 

Wanna know what short phrases and ideas Americans loved?

 

Let's take down the millionaires and billionaires. 

 

Let's make the rich pay their fair share. 

 

Let's stop giving tax breaks to [Bernie voice] billionaires and let everyone see a damn doctor. 

 

Compare how Bernie spoke of ideas as necessary and what we had to do vs running away from policy commitments like Harris when going "Once Congress signs into law a bill to give a $25,000 tax credit to first time homebuyers to help afford a down payment, I will sign that bill!".

 

Dems lie to themselves that they must under-promise while continuing to lose to a man who promises people the world.

 

if progressive policies are pie in the sky, it seems most Americans want a damn slice of pie. 

Edited Sunday at 03:37 PM by Communion

[Vespertine]

39 minutes ago, Samson said:

Maybe I'm misreading but like I feel like the right does the same exact thing? Right-wingers/Republicans who "stepped out of line" with regards to Trump either got laughed at or were straight-up excommunicated from the entire movement

I mean, sure? Doesn't change how Democrats are treating their own voters, which is what I actually care about. 

 

And let's be real: Republicans who were excommunicated from the party probably became center-right Democrat voters, or at least are biding their time and voting for Biden and Kamala while they wait for the next ~classic~ GOP candidate. 

 

When people with actual progressive views, or people who are disgusted by our support for Israel, etc. are told to shut up and get in line "because now is not the right time," many of them probably just become non-voters or vote third party. Which is how we get Kamala's atrocious numbers even in solid blue states. 

[woohoo]

So I've reached the indifference "idgaf" stage today. I've realized I've been fighting this fight since before I could vote and I'm tired, have realized the people in this country really are insane, self centered, uneducated morons who voted a rapist into office. That being said, I've made peace with whatever happens. Either this gets really bad and people wake up finally and we see the chance for a new election or Trump plays golf and gets bored with being president and stops caring and lets the country go to **** in a George Bush kinda way and another Republican wins and repeats this endless cycle of power swings with zero progress until I'm worm chow. 

[Arrows]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/jd-vance-elon-musk-x-twitter-donald-trump-b2614525.html

 

It's really happening huh

[Redstreak]

19 minutes ago, Marianah Adkins said:

The thing is the libs do have their own media ecosystem. The mainstream media was and is always their centerpiece (hence why Fox News was created in the first place). 

 

The problem unfortunately is that the GP has lost trust with them. 

Because those are still liberal institutions that are also obsessed with capital worship, WaPo is owned by Jeff Bezos, that's not an environment where actual "do something" leftist populism will be given any consideration

[Armani?]

30 minutes ago, Marianah Adkins said:

Isnt this the brain damaged senator? Not surprised with his arrogance lmao. Goodluck trying to get votes next time, as we have seen how Latinos (in general, despite 58% of them voting for Kamala) are being demonized. 

 

The Democratic Party is doomed if its supporters and the party itself is eating itself apart instead of fixing what broke

It's 52%-46%, not 58%- 40%

 

Trump got the highest in history for the GOP

[CandyCoatedClouds]

1 hour ago, Vermillion said:

 

If we have to have a republican president, it should have been Nikki Haley.

1 hour ago, Vermillion said:

 

His middle name is just J? It doesn't even stand for anything? How dumb.

57 minutes ago, Vermillion said:

 

"Cry more, *****" is all I can think lately.

[Vermillion]

Bernie isn't running in 2028.

 

If anyone thinks he is, please share with why you think he is and if you think that's a good idea.

 

I already laid out how ALL the white men (and youngish men of color/prior well known names) on our current bench are abysmal choices for 2028 several pages ago.

 

If anyone has suggestions BESIDES Ossoff, Cuban, Kelly, Torres, Warren, Booker, Klobuchar, Whitmer, Pritzker, Buttigieg, Fetterman, and Newsom, let's have them.

 

And if anyone here mentions AOC I'm going to lose my ****ing mind (And I say that as a progressive (although the goalposts keep moving as to whether I'm allowed to call myself that here)).

 

I also can't handle any arguments here claiming the right economic message will overpower any cultural shortcomings on them being a woman or person of color.

 

There have been dozens of books and sociology papers written on conservative Latino men's idealization of white men for machismo as a form of white assimilation I can pull the links to so please don't gaslight folks here.

 

The notion of Bernie's cultural blindspots being able to be papered over by the supposed sheer power of his simple repetition of economic messages belies the actual stats of no one but him being able to deliver them with effective responsiveness in the polling in the first place which is inherently the problem at this point.

 

No one needs to reminds me of Bernie's lopsided 2020 Nevada caucus numbers with Latinos where Chris Matthews apologized for comparing it to the Nazi invasion of France.

 

Bernie ain't running. The question becomes WHO. IS. 

[Samson]

19 minutes ago, Vespertine said:

I mean, sure? Doesn't change how Democrats are treating their own voters, which is what I actually care about. 

 

And let's be real: Republicans who were excommunicated from the party probably became center-right Democrat voters, or at least are biding their time and voting for Biden and Kamala while they wait for the next ~classic~ GOP candidate. 

 

When people with actual progressive views, or people who are disgusted by our support for Israel, etc. are told to shut up and get in line "because now is not the right time," many of them probably just become non-voters or vote third party. Which is how we get Kamala's atrocious numbers even in solid blue states. 

I get you.

With regards to your last point though: To me this just sounds like a problem with the leftist psyche as a whole? The right easily falls in line with whatever message they decide to push. It feels like us leftists are so against falling in line that it's at our own detriment. Like, yes you are allowed to be grossed out by Israel. But Republicans who were (for example) cool with abortion rights still voted Trump even though he was directly responsible for Dobbs (if CNN's exit polling is to be trusted; I doubt the 10% who agreed with abortion being legal in all cases but voted Trump were all Dems, let alone leftists lol). Probably because the message coming out of the GOP and the right as a movement was "Now is not the time to undermine Trump".

 

What do you want the Dems to do differently? Not asking this as a gotcha but I am genuinely curious to understand, because I assume I'm missing context

[Gesamtkunstwerk]

4 minutes ago, Vermillion said:

Bernie isn't running in 2028.

 

If anyone thinks he is, please share with why you think he is and if you think that's a good idea.

 

I already laid out how ALL the white men (and youngish men of color/prior well known names) on our current bench are abysmal choices for 2028 several pages ago.

 

If anyone has suggestions BESIDES Ossoff, Cuban, Kelly, Torres, Warren, Booker, Klobuchar, Whitmer, Pritzker, Buttigieg, Fetterman, and Newsom, let's have them.

 

And if anyone here mentions AOC I'm going to lose my ****ing mind (And I say that as a progressive (although the goalposts keep moving as to whether I'm allowed to call myself that here)).

 

I also can't handle any arguments here claiming the right economic message will overpower any cultural shortcomings on them being a woman or person of color.

 

There have been dozens of books and sociology papers written on conservative Latino men's idealization of white men for machismo as a form of white assimilation I can pull the links to so please don't gaslight folks here.

 

The notion of Bernie's cultural blindspots being able to papered over by the supposed sheer power of his simple repetition of economic messages papers over the actual stats of no one but him being able to deliver them with effective responsiveness in the polling in the first place which is inherently the problem at this point.

 

No one needs to reminds me of Bernie's lopsided 2020 Nevada caucus numbers with Latinos where Chris Matthews apologized for comparing it to the Nazi invasion of France.

 

Bernie ain't running. The question becomes WHO. IS. 

Bernie Sanders is also currently 83 years old, will be 87 by 2028 and, if he won, would end his term as 91 year old  Not possible in any way 

 

 

Edited Sunday at 04:02 PM by Gesamtkunstwerk

[Bears01]

12 minutes ago, Vermillion said:

Bernie isn't running in 2028.

 

If anyone thinks he is, please share with why you think he is and if you think that's a good idea.

 

I already laid out how ALL the white men (and youngish men of color/prior well known names) on our current bench are abysmal choices for 2028 several pages ago.

 

If anyone has suggestions BESIDES Ossoff, Cuban, Kelly, Torres, Warren, Booker, Klobuchar, Whitmer, Pritzker, Buttigieg, Fetterman, and Newsom, let's have them.

 

And if anyone here mentions AOC I'm going to lose my ****ing mind (And I say that as a progressive (although the goalposts keep moving as to whether I'm allowed to call myself that here)).

 

I also can't handle any arguments here claiming the right economic message will overpower any cultural shortcomings on them being a woman or person of color.

 

There have been dozens of books and sociology papers written on conservative Latino men's idealization of white men for machismo as a form of white assimilation I can pull the links to so please don't gaslight folks here.

 

The notion of Bernie's cultural blindspots being able to be papered over by the supposed sheer power of his simple repetition of economic messages belies the actual stats of no one but him being able to deliver them with effective responsiveness in the polling in the first place which is inherently the problem at this point.

 

No one needs to reminds me of Bernie's lopsided 2020 Nevada caucus numbers with Latinos where Chris Matthews apologized for comparing it to the Nazi invasion of France.

 

Bernie ain't running. The question becomes WHO. IS. 

I said Jon Stewart should to be fair. And out of every name mentioned here, the only one I see that could possibly bring back working class voters based on their Policy accomplishments is Whitmer. I don't think you guys understand how much rust belt state voters would love someone who repealed right to work. 

 

But I'm 1000% certain it'll be Shapiro. And we won't be voting! 

[Anthinos]

30 minutes ago, Arrows said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/jd-vance-elon-musk-x-twitter-donald-trump-b2614525.html

 

It's really happening huh

Being on this site only gives these right-wing extremists more ammunition. Musk is dangerous and his control of Twitter is very problematic. I wish people would finally leave this site collectively. I have deleted my account. I will not support a guy who supports and promotes the AfD in our country. Threads or Bluesky Idc. We have enough options.

Edited Sunday at 04:13 PM by Anthinos

[Redstreak]

https://archive.ph/tWhTJ
 

^^ link to read for free

 

[Armani?]

 

[Bears01]

5 minutes ago, Redstreak said:

https://archive.ph/tWhTJ
 

^^ link to read for free

 

I mean, he's absolutely right, and the sooner the party accepts this, the better their policy/messaging/ and electoral prospects will be. This election truly showed just how much the party has lost its way, and it was a long time coming 

[FameFatale]

 

[Vermillion]

10 minutes ago, Bears01 said:

I said Jon Stewart should to be fair. And out of every name mentioned here, the only one I see that could possibly bring back working class voters based on their Policy accomplishments is Whitmer. I don't think you guys understand how much rust belt state voters would love someone who repealed right to work. 

 

But I'm 1000% certain it'll be Shapiro. And we won't be voting! 

if Claudia runs again, I'm voting for her cause I'm not voting for Josh either

[Cruel Summer]

I don't think even a single person in here thinks Bernie will run in 2028, let alone that he would be a viable candidate. The precise point of bringing him up as the only living and active American politician to relatively successfully deliver his particular message at any meaningful scale is to highlight that, if we're being honest, there isn't anyone else.* There's nobody. The only comparably progressive Democrats actually in federal office either profound face challenges of their own or would, like Bernie himself, be chewed up and spit out by the DNC, by voters who believe the ill-fated message of the DNC, and by what remains of the liberal media, which as we've talked about here is rotting away anyway as conservative media begins to dominate a new generation.

 

Bernie might not be the 2028 nominee. I'm pretty sure he won't even run. But what he MUST be, if we're going to go anywhere, is the ideological leader and blueprint for a radically revised Democratic Party.

 

*Some people are really into Whitmer, but I'll be honest - she's the one high-profile Democrat that I don't actually know enough about, in policy terms, to judge as a possible leader of the progressive and leftist movement within the party that we need. A cursory look at her Wikipedia article is promising, but I'd appreciate if someone could help me understand why some progressives are so enthusiastic about her, though of course I plan to look into her politics more myself now that she seems to be on the very short list of possible serious contenders for 2028.

[khalyan]

15 minutes ago, Bears01 said:

I said Jon Stewart should to be fair. And out of every name mentioned here, the only one I see that could possibly bring back working class voters based on their Policy accomplishments is Whitmer. I don't think you guys understand how much rust belt state voters would love someone who repealed right to work. 

 

But I'm 1000% certain it'll be Shapiro. And we won't be voting! 

I've said previously but Whitmer is absolutely devoid of any charisma. She'd flop horrendously if she ran for president. 

[Bears01]

4 minutes ago, Cruel Summer said:

I don't think even a single person in here thinks Bernie will run in 2028, let alone that he would be a viable candidate. The precise point of bringing him up as the only living and active American politician to relatively successfully deliver his particular message at any meaningful scale is to highlight that, if we're being honest, there isn't anyone else.* There's nobody. The only comparably progressive Democrats actually in federal office either profound face challenges of their own or would, like Bernie himself, be chewed up and spit out by the DNC, by voters who believe the ill-fated message of the DNC, and by what remains of the liberal media, which as we've talked about here is rotting away anyway as conservative media begins to dominate a new generation.

 

Bernie might not be the 2028 nominee. I'm pretty sure he won't even run. But what he MUST be, if we're going to go anywhere, is the ideological leader and blueprint for a radically revised Democratic Party.

 

*Some people are really into Whitmer, but I'll be honest - she's the one high-profile Democrat that I don't actually know enough about, in policy terms, to judge as a possible leader of the progressive and leftist movement within the party that we need. A cursory look at her Wikipedia article is promising, but I'd appreciate if someone could help me understand why some progressives are so enthusiastic about her, though of course I plan to look into her politics more myself now that she seems to be on the very short list of possible serious contenders for 2028.

Whitmer has one major policy accomplishment that I've talked to people in real life (I live in the heart of the Midwest, in the old area where the steel industry was born and has died) and I'm surrounded by Trump supporters. Blue collar workers. Union men. The kind of people who flocked to Trump from Biden. 
 

Repealing right to work (which Whitmer is the only governor in the country to do) has MASSIVE appeal to these kinds of people. You do not even understand how much people would love someone like that 

[Redstreak]

 

[Cruel Summer]

Oh, and before I forget, speaking of Michigan Democrats who could run for 2028 - **** Pete Buttigieg. He won't even make it to the first primary without dropping out if voters and the party have any sense. "Medicare for all who want it" ugh bite me