news 2024 US Election Megathread 🇺🇸🏛️

[madonnas]

My interpretation of those importance polls are that republicans have not “won” the culture war but have managed to paint democrats as superficially attached to culture war moralism over bread and butter politics.  I think that’s what I read in that.  Democrats don’t have to abandon culture war issues but they have to actually give people inspiring economic policies.  I really do believe this era calls for bold, large policy re: new deal and democrats are just too incrementalism-pilled to accept that (also bought out by greedy corporations lol).  

[Ger]

 

Thoughts? Do you guys think people are actually happy with the current economy?

[Vermillion]

 

[Thuggin]

I think in general it's funny that the right accuses the left of "bigotry of low expectations" in regard to people of color when a "noble savage" view is exactly how everyone right, left, or center treats rural and working class people

 

[Thuggin]

Oh and on a new anti-theist movement

 

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTFK2gGM1/

 

Every word of this was on point

[Kukai]

What a messy but predictable election  

 

The right have colonised online spaces with their rhetoric. Democrats are INCREDIBLY out of touch. They have no online presence or fighting narrative like the right. There needs to be BIG changes in the next couple of years otherwise it'll be the same again in 2028. Firstly, we need to prop up and invest in left-wing podcasts and social media. We also need to install a straight white man as the head of the party. Some of us here, including myself, tried hard to support Kamala but lets face it, she's not the best at messaging. 

[Kukai]

We need Trump to destroy the economy tbh. 

[Lose My Breath]

8 minutes ago, Kukai said:

We need Trump to destroy the economy tbh. 

He will if he sticks with the plans he originally announced.

 

 

[Thuggin]

The one thing Gavin and Pete get right is this "they go low, we go high" bullshit doesn't work. Go on the attack and yes that includes on red states' governance since Democrats are always afraid of doing that.

[Kukai]

3 minutes ago, Lose My Breath said:

He will if he sticks with the plans he originally announced.

 

 

Whatever he does, food/grocery prices are not going down anytime soon and housing will not be cheaper either in the next few years. We need to ensure the electorate is reminded of this throughout the next few years which is why Democrats need to invest heavily in podcast and social media. We need to do what they're doing and multiply it.

 

I support Gavin's insane ass to be the next presidential candidate. We need to hit below the belt like the MAGA cult has been doing to us for the past two years. All this PC bs needs to go in the bin. The American public is too dumb to understand the intricacies of detailed policies. We need Gavin to be going below the belt and using talking points their dumbasses can understand. 

[DevilsRollTheDice]

1 hour ago, Thuggin said:

 

I still find it so bleak that Americans' takeaway is that Kamala was too focused on cultural issues like trans issues rather than helping the middle class. Kamala didn't even make trans issues a center of her campaign at all. I don't remember her mentioning trans once.

 

The ones too focused on cultural issues are Republicans. They're the ones who pick these fights.  And America expects those who are targeted and their allies in the Democratic Party to simply not respond, to just let them steamroll all over their rights. We're in a post truth society where misinformation is the norm. I don't know how you fix this.

This chart kinda proves that Dems couldn't turn on the reverse thrusters fast enough. The Harris campaign clearly had internal data that showed them how dire opinion polling was on things like the border and identity politics and tried their best to undo years of Dem messaging perceived as unhinged in 3 months. It was clearly too late. 
 

I'm sorry, but identity politics aren't the way forward for Dems. The sooner we accept this the better. Progressives can and will help people on the basis of identity when they help people economically. Prosperity breeds progressive and educated societies, not woke scolding people to use widely unpopular terms like Latin-X. Treating those who don't support universally unpopular and obviously gray areas like trans women in women's sports as bigots also isn't helping. Making adjustments to our goals and messaging doesn't mean becoming synonymous with Republicans either, as I'm sure some user will quote this and say. 

Edited Saturday at 10:34 PM by DevilsRollTheDice

[Armani?]

 

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[MAKSIM]

31 minutes ago, Thuggin said:

The one thing Gavin and Pete get right is this "they go low, we go high" bullshit doesn't work. Go on the attack and yes that includes on red states' governance since Democrats are always afraid of doing that.

And the go everywhere strategy. Joe Rogan might suck, but you can at least engage with him on some issues in earnest like Bernie. If Dems want to cut into margins, then you can't be cutting off swath of spaces just because you'll be receiving pushback. 
 

If the 2028 nominee is unable to articulate their theory of the case or feels uncomfortable going outside their media bubble, then they are not strong enough as a candidate. Kamala could barley handle a View interview and always felt like she was tip-toeing around saying the "wrong" thing. 

Edited Saturday at 11:00 PM by MAKSIM

[Communion]

24 minutes ago, DevilsRollTheDice said:

not woke scolding people to use widely unpopular terms like Latin-X.

It really is funny how all centrists come to the same reactionary conclusions. and yet none of you can just realize - hey, let's finally run on universal healthcare. 

[DevilsRollTheDice]

4 minutes ago, Communion said:

It really is funny how all centrists come to the same reactionary conclusions. and yet none of you can just realize - hey, let's finally run on universal healthcare. 

I literally said we need to abandon identity politics and run on policies that will help society prosper. I would consider universal healthcare one of those things. I'm not a centrist. Maybe only when measured on your personal chart. 
 

Also conclusions based on data aren't reactionary. Republicans have clearly learned this lesson as it was the centerpiece of their effective advertising. 

Edited Saturday at 11:03 PM by DevilsRollTheDice

[Armani?]

Just randomly went on Worldstar comment section and someone is asking Trump to forgive their student loans

[Harrier]

26 minutes ago, Communion said:

It really is funny how all centrists come to the same reactionary conclusions. and yet none of you can just realize - hey, let's finally run on universal healthcare. 

Two things can be true at the same time. Run on universal healthcare and also abandon the corporate identity politics, the toxic purist culture and all these various other cultural issues that have led to the left's massive branding problem. The first one lies with the democratic party, but the latter point is something we can all work on - we can help the broader left stop looking so out of touch, wacky, and hostile to regular people.

 

You cannot possibly argue that the left doesn't have a branding problem when all this post election polling shows liberal is consistently used as a negative label by the majority of the electorate while conservative doesn't carry any of that weight. Even though... it should! The centrists are identifying a real problem even though they are missing the other half of it.

 

As long as the right has the ability to make Democrats look out of touch by tying them to the unpopular left... we have issues even if you do run populist policies. We should not be in a situation where we can't run anyone who's identity and style makes them more proximal to the cultural left. If it was true that its just about populist policy, you could comfortably run AOC and not Bernie Sanders. Yet we can't. That speaks to the weakness I'm talking about.

[Communion]

16 minutes ago, DevilsRollTheDice said:

I literally said we need to abandon identity politics and run on policies that will help society prosper. I would consider universal healthcare one of those things. I'm not a centrist. Maybe only when measured on your personal chart. 

Biden made off-hand comments including usage of things like "Latinx" or centering policy for trans people. He also glued Sanders to his side and talked of free college and debt forgiveness when speaking to young people.

 

He beat Trump.

 

Harris rejected trans people - banishing them to the shadows - while refusing to talk about race in any capacity, let alone her own, all while attempting a very liberal take on populism that argued for regulation relaxing, subsidies to private corporations, and an "entrepreneurial opportunity economy". 

 

She lost in a landslide to Trump.

 

I'm saying the take away that centers "identity politics" is a misdiagnosis and a reflex. You don't need reactionary "anti-identity politics" politics. You need broad universal entitlements.

[FameFatale]

Her niece just posted this on Instagram 

 

 

[DevilsRollTheDice]

2 minutes ago, Communion said:

Biden made off-hand comments including usage of things like "Latinx" or centering policy for trans people. He also glued Sanders to his side and talked of free college and debt forgiveness when speaking to young people.

 

He beat Trump.

 

Harris rejected trans people - banishing them to the shadows - while refusing to talk about race in any capacity, let alone her own, all while attempting a very liberal take on populism that argued for regulation relaxing, subsidies to private corporations, and an "entrepreneurial opportunity economy". 

 

She lost in a landslide to Trump.

 

I'm saying the take away that centers "identity politics" is a misdiagnosis and a reflex. You don't need reactionary "anti-identity politics" politics. You need broad universal entitlements.

Biden ran against Trump during a plague and global economic collapse and barely won. You only acknowledge context and it benefits your own perception. Trump would've handily defeated Biden without COVID and its economic consequences. We literally have data in front of us showing how unpopular this branding is. Republicans used it as the center of their attack ads. 

Edited Saturday at 11:27 PM by DevilsRollTheDice

[Communion]

3 minutes ago, Harrier said:

the toxic purist culture

Single mother of two in Pittsburgh isn't concerned about cancel culture. She's concerned about not Aetna denying paying for her son's inhaler.

 

Centrists and right-wingers trying to center everything but the economy is why it's obvious that the economy is the answer.

[Communion]

Just now, DevilsRollTheDice said:

Trump would've handily defeated Biden without COVID and its economic consequences. 

Yes, which is why Bernie was always the right and more full-proof choice. No more centrists. More Bernies. 

[Communion]

> centrists spend 2020-2024 arguing the left is wrong economically and actually Americans crave policies of the centrist consultant class

 

> biden's presidency crashes after being pressured by the fed to roll back massive popular stimulus and their dream centrist candidate kamala now running on yimbyism and crypto and big business popularism sees horrific loss

 

> same centrists now says the main thing democrats should do is to stop defending trans people when the right calls for subjugating them to appeal to poor people

 

I think if you ever spoke out against Bernie Sanders and Medicare For All, you should be persona non-grata and your views considered irrelevant to the Democratic Party.

 

The Bernie Bros were right. Just let the bros pick up the pieces!

Edited Saturday at 11:33 PM by Communion