Bears01 Posted November 9 Posted November 9 2 minutes ago, Vermillion said: He's such a ******* loser, my god. Jimmy Carter will probably out live his mush for brains too 1
ATRL Moderator khalyan Posted November 9 Author ATRL Moderator Posted November 9 6 hours ago, Bloo said: I think it’s fine to have a pivot into M4A at the ready. But I don’t think it makes sense for politicians to be involving themselves in sports in any capacity—trans or otherwise. It’s not their business. Politicians will inevitably be very involved with NCAA sports soon as NIL litigations make their way up the court system and can result in laws from either side advocating for or against some of the NIL standards. I think Republicans will pivot from that conversation into trans issues, so I think having some sort of idea of policy for Democrats will be helpful to combat this. 1
parvatishallow Posted November 9 Posted November 9 1 minute ago, Vermillion said: Loud, wrong, and ignorant. TikTok and Elon's twitter have melted people's brains
Thuggin Posted November 9 Posted November 9 It begs the question how many people will get bored of supporting Trump now that they feel like they're no longer being fingerwagged not to. Now that they see they're in the majority rather than a persecuted silent minority. Like you won and you control everything now, congrats, so now what? I would like to think that owning the libs while they're down won't be as fun, but I don't know maybe that's giving these people too much credit 2 1
Wonderland Posted November 9 Posted November 9 2 minutes ago, Vermillion said: COME THROUGH DADDY LOOKING KING 1 1
Communion Posted November 9 Posted November 9 (edited) 29 minutes ago, dawnettakins said: If there's one thing the 2024 election has proven, it's identity politics is well as over and is a losing strategy. Most people don't move through the world interacting with others with a hyper-breakdown of their identity categories. People don't conceive of themselves that way, and don't consider their sexual identity, racial identity, gender identity, etc as the most important things to them. Period. That's how terminally online people talk on Twitter. The rest of people, and a huge majority of them, just want to put food on the table and have the means to get by. Those on the left, here and Twitter and everywhere else, have got to learn this if they actually want to win. Almost no one cares if you're gay, Black, trans, cis, etc. People just want a working economy and to live their lives. To the extent that they do conceive of themselves based on their identity, it's much less salient and important to them than their economic situation. Period. You don't even have to be this extreme and get into a kind of posturing that in itself almost falls into right-wing rhetoric about "DEI" or "wokeism". I know people don't wanna hear about Bernie 2020 again, but it's just so weird how like.. leftists in that moment at least got to a point of understanding the assignment in a really illuminating way and everything before it and after is people either landing too far into class reductionism and too far race reductionism. Bernie 2020 really was just a hugely expansive policy platform of class + race and truly having not just a plan for everything a la Warren but understanding a general sentiment of how economic suffering manifests for different people. It was a strategy of no one will resent others getting something if everyone's needs are met by policy. That there's little oxygen for people to be mad about policy that addresses material suffering unique to queer people or black people if everyone is getting wide-sweeping policies like M4A. Wide-sweeping progressive policies about the economy but also immigration, criminal justice, civil rights, healthcare, etc. Abortion as an economic issue. Criminal justice as an economic issue. Foreign policy as an economic issue. Genuinely heartbreaking that we may never have that again. (@Dera To address your post, since I don't wanna look like I ignored it, but I did just mean in terms of voting patterns and Dem-leaning voters. Obviously once these attitudes go on for decades and cement, it moves beyond just economic anxiety and becomes a culture onto itself. That like... religious bigots can convert people to their stance. Biden, for his faults, seemed invested in trans issues in a way Harris abandoned, so it'd be odd to think 15M Biden voters abandoning Harris was because of an ontological hatred of trans-ness in and of itself. You don't want to let these ecosystems capture voters for so long them and transform - and that could happen but you just then must cut the fuel source) Edited November 9 by Communion 4 2
Onyxmage Posted November 9 Posted November 9 (edited) 34 minutes ago, dawnettakins said: If there's one thing the 2024 election has proven, it's identity politics is well as over and is a losing strategy. Most people don't move through the world interacting with others with a hyper-breakdown of their identity categories. People don't conceive of themselves that way, and don't consider their sexual identity, racial identity, gender identity, etc as the most important things to them. Period. That's how terminally online people talk on Twitter. The rest of people, and a huge majority of them, just want to put food on the table and have the means to get by. Those on the left, here and Twitter and everywhere else, have got to learn this if they actually want to win. Almost no one cares if you're gay, Black, trans, cis, etc. People just want a working economy and to live their lives. To the extent that they do conceive of themselves based on their identity, it's much less salient and important to them than their economic situation. Period. Trumps entire candidacy and existence is rooted in white nationalism. This little economic argument would make sense if Republicans actually passed any legislation to actually help people. They literally won the house in 2022 based on the promise that they would do something about inflation but couldnt even pass a BASIC budget for 2 years. The Republican house was the least productive and most dysfunctional house in almost a century and Republican voters still voted for them. Even if grocery prices dont go down one cent and the economy tanks under Trump the Republicans will still run to the polls to vote for the next Republican candidate to save their white majority. Edited November 9 by Onyxmage 2 1
dawnettakins Posted November 9 Posted November 9 20 minutes ago, anti-***** said: We know, but Trump is not going to help with any of that either! Yes, that's an unfortunate reality. People decided to give him a chance though, even when most of them don't particularly like him or the things he says. But they decided to take the risk and give him a chance to deliver for them (foolishly imo). 19 minutes ago, Bears01 said: To be fair to Kamala (and I've dragged her hard enough) I think she realized from the beginning. My biggest issue with her is they she sought republicans approval, campaigned on it, and thought it was a winning strategy. But that's the democrats in general. "We need republicans to like us, while we continue to lose voters who voted for Obama but are now voting for Trump!" Couldn't agree more. Kamala did see it, that's why she didn't lean in to the appeals to being a woman like Hillary did. Her pivot to Republican approval (foolish) was when I realized she likely would lose, because that strategy has never worked. Why wouldn't they just vote for a real Republican if that's what people wanted?? Republican-lite is such a loser strategy and Kamala literally got less Republican votes than Biden or Hillary, so sure worked out well for her. 13 minutes ago, Capris Groove said: Got damn, a post like this would have instantly made you a persona non grata even one year ago. People were just not ready to hear this. You're right that this election has already made identity politics dead on arrival. And yes, while there is clearly systemic discrimination against minorities -- impossible to ignore or deny -- on an individual level you're mostly right. Yup. I firmly believe and know systematic discrimination to be true, but for better or worse it's just not the top or even near the top of most important issues for voters. Especially in a **** economy that isn't working for regular Americans.
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted November 9 ATRL Moderator Posted November 9 13 minutes ago, khalyan said: Politicians will inevitably be very involved with NCAA sports soon as NIL litigations make their way up the court system and can result in laws from either side advocating for or against some of the NIL standards. I think Republicans will pivot from that conversation into trans issues, so I think having some sort of idea of policy for Democrats will be helpful to combat this. That's fair. I'm very pessimistic that either major party will handle this issue with tact. Regardless, I don't think this is something that needs to be thought about too deeply in the context of a presidential campaign. 2
anti-bitch Posted November 9 Posted November 9 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Thuggin said: It begs the question how many people will get bored of supporting Trump now that they feel like they're no longer being fingerwagged not to. Now that they see they're in the majority rather than a persecuted silent minority. Like you won and you control everything now, so now what? I would like to think that owning the libs while they're down won't be as fun, but I don't know maybe that's giving these people too much credit The most frustrating part is that they say 2016-2019 was somehow so good because of Trump. But the world didn't really have much global problems back then. Since 2020 it's just been crisis after crisis. At least now Trump will be tested like never before. Let's see if people still like him by the end of it. Edited November 9 by anti-bitch
ATRL Moderator khalyan Posted November 9 Author ATRL Moderator Posted November 9 1 minute ago, Bloo said: That's fair. I'm very pessimistic that either major party will handle this issue with tact. Regardless, I don't think this is something that needs to be thought about too deeply in the context of a presidential campaign. I definitely agree with you there. Have something planned if needed but let's not try to have this become any meaningful part of the campaign just due to the sensitive nature of the topic. 1
dawnettakins Posted November 9 Posted November 9 1 minute ago, Onyxmage said: This little economic argument would make sense if Republicans actually passed any legislation to actually help people. They literally won the house in 2022 based on the promise that they would do something about inflation but couldnt even pass a BASIC budget for 2 years. The Republican house was the least productive and most dysfunctional house in almost a century and Republican voters still voted for them. Even if grocery prices dont go down one cent and the economy tanks under Trump the Republican will still run to the polls to vote for the next Republican candidate. You're missing the entire point. Republicans are gonna Republican, and only vote Republican. But Trump didn't win from just Republicans. He won because Independents, Biden and Obama voters, and more women, Latinos, and people of color voted for him. Why? Because they're angry and fed up with the status quo. Because they want change, and for someone to (metaphorically) blow everything up. Because the system is not working for regular Americans. Once Trump doesn't deliver for them (which he won't) they won't support him or be here for it anymore. Just like they're no longer here for Biden or his administration after voting for Biden in 2020 after Biden failed to deliver anything meaningful for them. 3 1
FameFatale Posted November 9 Posted November 9 This video should've played before anyone pushed anything on their ballot 1
woohoo Posted November 9 Posted November 9 18 minutes ago, Thuggin said: Crazy thing is there's people in my real life that believe this too. That's gonna be the JUICIEST fruit from this whole harvest. I may lose my health insurance to pre existing conditions but it's gonna be delicious watching these stupid ****s squirm too.
GraceRandolph Posted November 9 Posted November 9 Are the people floating Kamala for 2028 serious? Why are gays stanning this woman? I understand she was better than BiDONE, but cmon now. 2
Kylizzle Posted November 9 Posted November 9 17 minutes ago, Thuggin said: It begs the question how many people will get bored of supporting Trump now that they feel like they're no longer being fingerwagged not to. Now that they see they're in the majority rather than a persecuted silent minority. Like you won and you control everything now, congrats, so now what? I would like to think that owning the libs while they're down won't be as fun, but I don't know maybe that's giving these people too much credit Every college has a College Republicans club, and if you're in the South it's the majority and has been that way since the turn of the century can we stop pretending this **** is new? It's not helping. 1
anti-bitch Posted November 9 Posted November 9 4 minutes ago, khalyan said: I definitely agree with you there. Have something planned if needed but let's not try to have this become any meaningful part of the campaign just due to the sensitive nature of the topic. Is there a way for the Democratic Governors to defy whatever draconian laws and decisions might be coming through Congress or SCOTUS in the next years? For example, total abortion ban or anti-trans laws?
ATRL Moderator khalyan Posted November 9 Author ATRL Moderator Posted November 9 3 minutes ago, anti-bitch said: Is there a way for the Democratic Governors to defy whatever draconian laws and decisions might be coming through Congress or SCOTUS in the next years? For example, total abortion ban or anti-trans laws? Texas already set this precedent this term when Greg Abbott defied the Biden Administration on several of their border regulations. I expect some blue states to show similar defiance. 1 1
Bloodflowers. Posted November 9 Posted November 9 1 hour ago, GraceRandolph said: @Bloodflowers. people still shitting on Marianne even though she was warning us all along They hated Prophet Williamson for saying some major radical truth telling. They rejected her message just like people rejected Jesus' message over 2000 years ago. 1 hour ago, Bamboo said: I think Whitmer is fine but I also think Dems won't nominate another woman for a long time. The first female president will be a Republican let's not get that twisted. Hopefully that Republican will be Tulsi Gabbard and NOT Nikki Haley or Liz Cheney. Can't wait to watch her end Nikki on that debate stage in 2028.
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