Harrier Posted November 9 Posted November 9 4 minutes ago, Communion said: Also this is an insane sleight of hand and shows up only when one can be driven by personal transphobia. The actual statement is: "Kamala Harris is too focused on cultural issues like transgender issues rather than helping the middle class". Meaning voters agree with this statement when viewing addressing cultural issues as *at odds* with addressing economic issues. Just like the very same question on immigration reveals in its wording that voters are driven by the belief that immigrants are being helped in place of the government helping people like them instead. That this is seen as a one-or-the-other reality. A claim pushed by a right-wing media ecosystem that thrives because Democrats allow that space in their inaction. I get why you don't want to acknowledge the actual reality of the question, because it exposes the absurdity of the people you share ideological lanes with. The very right-wing Dems now echoing these calls to let trans people don't actually want to do anything progressive with the economy. So they don't want to let people know most voters - at least ones Dem were previously winning in elections - are raging bigots, but feel they've been dumped. Seth Moulton thinks his voters in MA-06 care about 13-year-old trans girls on middle soccer teams while he wants poor people to die by refusing to co-sponsor Medicare For All. Tom Suozzi is screaming about pronouns and trans people while wanting the people of NY-03 to be wage slaves since he does not support raising the minimum wage. America is not Europe. America is not Australia. The innate diversity of America means that our economic populist movements are DIVERSE. There is no "let's give everyone healthcare but also ban migrants and trans people". Jesse Jackson's Rainbow Coalition. Bernie's multi-racial working class. The economic left IS the social left. There was nothing to me editing that question other than I couldn't be bothered to type it out in full. So all this yapping is literally over nothing and I wont read the rest of it bestie. Nothing i said changes if I include the whole question
GraceRandolph Posted November 9 Posted November 9 Cheney - OUT Obama - OUT Clinton - OUT Harris - OUT Biden - OUT ENOUGH with all these former candidates and presidents being the spokesperson for the Dems. Time to start from scratch and all of these people need to GO. 3
anti-bitch Posted November 9 Posted November 9 Would Gretchen Whitmer have a chance to win JD Vance (or whoever) in 2028?
GraceRandolph Posted November 9 Posted November 9 Just now, anti-***** said: Would Gretchen Whitmer have a chance to win JD Vance (or whoever) in 2028? No, I don't understand the obsession with Whitmer. I think she'd perform similarly to Kamala. 1
aquababy Posted November 9 Posted November 9 they were really going to hand over a supermajority in both chambers of congress and give trump a historic 400+ EV sweep fire everybody 2 3 1
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted November 9 ATRL Moderator Posted November 9 1 hour ago, Redstreak said: So was this Harris's personal conviction then? Not the Dem insiders being vindicated somewhat
GraceRandolph Posted November 9 Posted November 9 Watch the Dems run Pete Buttigieg/Liz Cheney in 2028 and get the lowest black turnout in history. 1
Blankspace2010 Posted November 9 Posted November 9 15 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: You say this, but she did not align with us on virtually anything. She put herself at odds with the progressive faction, basically told us we were not wanted nor needed, but scolded for making a genocide a moral red line... that many of us allowed her to cross and voted for her anyway. She did what you said would be a great idea! She explicitly abandoned trans people by omitting them from her message. Now the hindsight analysts are saying she should have disavowed trans people and called for a ban on their public existence instead of just not centering them. She lurched to the right on immigration and adopted Trump's policies from 2016. She promised to build Trump's border wall, but with American money instead of Mexicans'. She didn't talk about healthcare or improving the ACA. She didn't mention student debt forgiveness. She didn't mention a single thing leftists want. She repudiated us. She said she would give Israel all the bombs they needed to raze Gaza. She did EVERYTHING David Shor popularists said she should do. And she failed. Horribly. She lost the popular vote by worse than John Kerry. She distanced herself from the left, chased Republicans and promised she would include them in her Administration... and she got less Republican voters than Joe Biden. Yeah honestly… a terrible campaign start to finish. Her rallies were a complete mirage too - people were coming for Beyonce, Katy, Kesha, Maroon 5 - A list celebrities and leaving with no substantial message or commitment to vote. The only message people had leaving her rallies was that she wasn't Trump but had no idea who she was. A mess.
hallucinate Posted November 9 Posted November 9 all these posts i'm seeing about young men/incels saying they voted for trump cause they felt "alienated"… 1
Harrier Posted November 9 Posted November 9 Just now, GraceRandolph said: Watch the Dems run Pete Buttigieg/Liz Cheney in 2028 and get the lowest black turnout in history. Don't speak this into existence omg
Armani? Posted November 9 Posted November 9 2 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: No, I don't understand the obsession with Whitmer. I think she'd perform similarly to Kamala. In 2028? I mean we don't know how the US will act to Trump's 2nd term so But Whitmer is a solid politician, Democrats aren't going to throw in a woman though obviously
Blankspace2010 Posted November 9 Posted November 9 8 minutes ago, Vermillion said: HA I want this to happen so bad!
K.O Posted November 9 Posted November 9 Is Kari lake going to win her senate race? All of the incoming votes are breaking in her favor from what I understand.
Devin Posted November 9 Posted November 9 in 2025 dems needa start going outside and building authentic relationships with gen z, black, latino, lgbtq+, female, hick town and working class communities. u cannot decide to be for demographics during the campaign and force these dumb ass americans to vote for you. 1
Communion Posted November 9 Posted November 9 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Communion said: Seth Moulton thinks his voters in MA-06 care about 13-year-old trans girls on middle soccer teams while he wants poor people to die by refusing to co-sponsor Medicare For All. Also not to be a fire sign and be like "I KNOW I'M RIGHT!!" - even though this week has me feeling like I really usually am - but I KNEW this stupid **** was trying something when he wheeled out language as odd as "formerly male". The right don't say "formerly male". They just call trans women "males'. So that means Moulton knew that whatever he was trying would be seen as crude to his constituents and had to frame it in a very specific way. And wow... look at this. He's not even speaking for the voters of MA-03! In fact, these constituents are denouncing him! Screaming about "my daughter and her classmates" while most of his votes are war funding + letting diary mass producers put unregulated, chemical-filled milk in public schools. Your daughter isn't harmed by trans girls, she's harmed by you de-regulating her school lunch. Edited November 9 by Communion 1
byzantium Posted November 9 Posted November 9 7 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: No, I don't understand the obsession with Whitmer. I think she'd perform similarly to Kamala. She has proven that she can win Michigan though. Probably would have been better than Kamala.
Devin Posted November 9 Posted November 9 i love to see a female be president but the world isnt ready let that narrative go.
Communion Posted November 9 Posted November 9 12 minutes ago, Harrier said: Nothing i said changes if I include the whole question Please tell Seth Moulton when you apply to be his new campaign manager that his district thinks there's bigger problems than children playing sports. 1
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