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[GraceRandolph]

5 hours ago, thedeathbymusic said:

Kamala Harris will forever be in the history books for becoming the first female Vice President. nobody can ever take that away from her and it lowkey sets up a beautiful narrative for the (eventual) first female President. 

Clinton was the first to get the nom. Harris first to get VP. The next woman will be the one to get the President. 

The sad reality is that the first female POTUS might be Marjorie Taylor Green or some **** at this point

 

[Communion]

15 minutes ago, Bethenny Frankel said:

college can't be made affordable if the DOE gets dissolved, say goodbye to any grants and financial aid

Almost like centrist Dems wanted Trump to win so they can perpetually fundraise off of this suffering

 

[Kylizzle]

5 hours ago, thedeathbymusic said:

Kamala Harris will forever be in the history books for becoming the first female Vice President. nobody can ever take that away from her and it lowkey sets up a beautiful narrative for the (eventual) first female President. 

Clinton was the first to get the nom. Harris first to get VP. The next woman will be the one to get the President. 

Harris and Biden will both be remembered as the losers who failed to stop the Trumpism era and oversaw the Palestinian genocide LOL.

 

[Harrier]

 

3 hours ago, Communion said:

Linking me a Matt Yglesias tweet should be criteria for getting tossed into a gulag. 

 

The data is interesting and actually mimics what leftists are arguing. 

 

The issue is ans will always be economics. Even in people's cultural critiques, it goes back to the economy. 

 

People don't hate undocumented migrants. They hate when told by the right that their economic suffering is cause Dems are giving benefits to the undocumented over them. 

 

People don't hate trans people. They hate when hold by the right that their economic suffering is not a priority for Dems and Dems care more about identity issues that most voters can't relate to.

 

As long as Dems don't run on the economy, it gives the right the fuel to link other values that Dems have like progressive social values with economic suffering. 

You all contribute collectively to this problem though, by lampooning Democrats with your special interest activist concerns that distract the overall narrative from the economy. You acknowledge that the Democrats have a problem of becoming the party that stitches together a coalition of special interest groups instead of having a strong unifying populist message - yet yall are one of those groups. You demand she aligns herself with you perfectly in order to earn your vote. Even if she ran a much more ambitious economic message and focused on it constantly, you still would have spent the election making various angry threads about various things Harris did that outraged you on Gaza, the trans answer etc etc.

 

In that polling, voters +17  said "Kamala Harris is too focused on cultural issues like transgender issues...". There is your hard evidence that the trans attack ads landed and helped contribute to the narrative that Kamala was detached from the needs of the average voter. Third strongest criticism of her and the first one with no link to Biden. Not once did she talk about it or raise it herself during the campaign. And yet here you guys were dragging her and having a huge meltdown for that evasive answer avoiding saying the word trans - here is your evidence of why, as I argued back then, she did that answer. She was trying to avoid a soundbite... so she could move on and talk about the issues that matter most to voters. 

 

The Democrats know the economy is the most important thing, the problem was that their economic message was ineffective. Do y'all really have any leg to stand on here when you are constantly asking her to take stances and focus on issues that... are not the economy? You were all lazer focused on Gaza for months on end and arguing all over the place that she would lose because of her stance. Don't make me go looking for peoples posts.

 

Yall are too frustrating with your inability to take anything on board, everything is just evidence to confirm your prior beliefs. Nothing changes, no learning is done. I can acknowledge where I was wrong. I was wrong when I argued it was too risky for Harris to take on a more ambitious economic agenda. I was wrong when I argued there were still some voters out there who liked unity talk. I was wrong when I initially defended the Cheney thing. Yall will not engage in any reflection and will just continue to yell about how right you are and how your politics is the solution to everything

[EnigmaticAndroid]

1 hour ago, XDNA said:

After Trump's Victory, the 4B Movement Is Spreading Across TikTok
The 4B movement, from South Korea, calls for women to not date, marry, sleep with, or have children with men. Women are calling for the movement to take off in the US after Donald Trump won the election.

https://www.wired.com/story/trump-election-4b-movement-tiktok-x-reddit/

 

 

In the gay community we should also stand in solidarity and not hookup with any DL or MAGA men. Let them have blue balls for the next 4 years and make it shameful to be with them.

Not the girls and the gays pulling a Lysistrata 

[GraceRandolph]

2 minutes ago, Communion said:

Almost like centrist Dems wanted Trump to win so they can perpetually fundraise off of this suffering

 

Good luck booking that fundraising you speak of. After Hillary's impressive 2016 fundraising, the post-Roe fundraising, and Kamala's fundraising I think people are done donating to do-nothing Democrats.

 

[anti-bitch]

2 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said:

He would not have. He was historically unpopular before the debate and barely won the EC in 2020. 

Unpopular in part because of Biden's health problems. Yes Gaza, yes inflation, but now the inflation is the lowest since before Covid. And dare I say that as a white guy I know of a lot white people still prefer to vote for white people, and men prefer to vote for men.

 

And you say he "barely won the EC" yeah, but also received the most total votes in history.

[anastaciabby]

6 minutes ago, Harrier said:

 

You all contribute collectively to this problem though, by lampooning Democrats with your special interest activist concerns that distract the overall narrative from the economy. You acknowledge that the Democrats have a problem of becoming the party that stitches together a coalition of special interest groups instead of having a strong unifying populist message - yet yall are one of those groups. You demand she aligns herself with you perfectly in order to earn your vote. Even if she ran a much more ambitious economic message and focused on it constantly, you still would have spent the election making various angry threads about various things Harris did that outraged you on Gaza, the trans answer etc etc.

 

In that polling, voters +17  said "Kamala Harris is too focused on cultural issues like transgender issues...". There is your hard evidence that the trans attack ads landed and helped contribute to the narrative that Kamala was detached from the needs of the average voter. Third strongest criticism of her and the first one with no link to Biden. Not once did she talk about it or raise it herself during the campaign. And yet here you guys were dragging her and having a huge meltdown for that evasive answer avoiding saying the word trans - here is your evidence of why, as I argued back then, she did that answer. She was trying to avoid a soundbite... so she could move on and talk about the issues that matter most to voters. 

 

The Democrats know the economy is the most important thing, the problem was that their economic message was ineffective. Do y'all really have any leg to stand on here when you are constantly asking her to take stances and focus on issues that... are not the economy? You were all lazer focused on Gaza for months on end and arguing all over the place that she would lose because of her stance. Don't make me go looking for peoples posts.

 

Yall are too frustrating with your inability to take anything on board, everything is just evidence to confirm your prior beliefs. Nothing changes, no learning is done. I can acknowledge where I was wrong. I was wrong when I argued it was too risky for Harris to take on a more ambitious economic agenda. I was wrong when I argued there were still some voters out there who liked unity talk. I was wrong when I initially defended the Cheney thing. Yall will not engage in any reflection and will just continue to yell about how right you are and how your politics is the solution to everything

we talk about infighting yet that's all we do

Edited November 8 by anastaciabby

[Virgos Groove]

12 minutes ago, Communion said:

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I'm sorry to keep harping on the same point, but it needs repeating.

 

Liz Cheney. Liz ******* Cheney. Daughter of Dick Cheney. Former VP Dick Cheney.

 

They brought out the daughter of one of the most hated politicians in America to appeal to some magical Never Trump coalition that doesn't ******* exist.

 

I'm just... I don't even have words at this point. I know this is the Democrats we're talking about, but I never thought they'd snatch defeat from the jaws of victory like this.

 

Seriously, I need a movie made out of this campaign. Get Scorcese to direct. The different alliances, Biden's refusal to step down, the cave they locked Tim Walz in after the convention, LIZ ******* CHENEYYYY... seriously, what the **** just hapenned???

Edited November 8 by Virgos Groove

[GraceRandolph]

The Lincoln Project was the biggest scam in history.

[Bhabylon]

8 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said:

The sad reality is that the first female POTUS might be Marjorie Taylor Green or some **** at this point

 

Tulsi Gabbard or Ivanka Trump sadly

 

[Virgos Groove]

And I just remembered they spent 1 BILLION dollars in this campaign. It would've been more useful to wipe their asses with it.

[GraceRandolph]

1 minute ago, Virgos Groove said:

And I just remembered they spent 1 BILLION dollars in this campaign. It would've been more useful to wipe their asses with it.

Literally a Hillary 2.0, but even worse

[anastaciabby]

Just now, Virgos Groove said:

And I just remembered they spent 1 BILLION dollars in this campaign. It would've been more useful to wipe their asses with it.

we really need to stop fundraising politicians in general, the only one I've ever donated money to was Bernie in his first run. I'm still mad I donated the 2nd time when he just dropped out

[MP3]

Do you all remember when you all were freaking out because Taylor didn't andorsed Kamala yet haha funny times

[Armani?]

3 hours ago, Bloo said:

Oh, we're cooked on the issue of climate change. Kamala was bragging about wanting to expand fracking. Frankly, our society is too poorly organized to be sustainable. Doing that would require a massive reorganization of society that would inconvenience people. The masses were unwilling to wear a mask to stop the spread of a global pandemic. So I'm very skeptical of our ability to adequately address climate change, unfortunately.

I'm assuming Trump repeals Biden's modest climate change policy as one of his 1st things to do

 

30 minutes ago, Bethenny Frankel said:

college can't be made affordable if the DOE gets dissolved, say goodbye to any grants and financial aid

Sounds like a win for Republicans, more uneducated people

[Bears01]

1 minute ago, Virgos Groove said:

And I just remembered they spent 1 BILLION dollars in this campaign. It would've been more useful to wipe their asses with it.

Hillary, at least had a leg to stand on. The majority of the people voted for her. She barely lost any votes from Obama's winning margin in 2012. The public flat out said NO to Kamala "I love the Cheneys" Harris. 

 

11 minutes ago, Harrier said:

 

You all contribute collectively to this problem though, by lampooning Democrats with your special interest activist concerns that distract the overall narrative from the economy. You acknowledge that the Democrats have a problem of becoming the party that stitches together a coalition of special interest groups instead of having a strong unifying populist message - yet yall are one of those groups. You demand she aligns herself with you perfectly in order to earn your vote. Even if she ran a much more ambitious economic message and focused on it constantly, you still would have spent the election making various angry threads about various things Harris did that outraged you on Gaza, the trans answer etc etc.

 

In that polling, voters +17  said "Kamala Harris is too focused on cultural issues like transgender issues...". There is your hard evidence that the trans attack ads landed and helped contribute to the narrative that Kamala was detached from the needs of the average voter. Third strongest criticism of her and the first one with no link to Biden. Not once did she talk about it or raise it herself during the campaign. And yet here you guys were dragging her and having a huge meltdown for that evasive answer avoiding saying the word trans - here is your evidence of why, as I argued back then, she did that answer. She was trying to avoid a soundbite... so she could move on and talk about the issues that matter most to voters. 

 

The Democrats know the economy is the most important thing, the problem was that their economic message was ineffective. Do y'all really have any leg to stand on here when you are constantly asking her to take stances and focus on issues that... are not the economy? You were all lazer focused on Gaza for months on end and arguing all over the place that she would lose because of her stance. Don't make me go looking for peoples posts.

 

Yall are too frustrating with your inability to take anything on board, everything is just evidence to confirm your prior beliefs. Nothing changes, no learning is done. I can acknowledge where I was wrong. I was wrong when I argued it was too risky for Harris to take on a more ambitious economic agenda. I was wrong when I argued there were still some voters out there who liked unity talk. I was wrong when I initially defended the Cheney thing. Yall will not engage in any reflection and will just continue to yell about how right you are and how your politics is the solution to everything

I'm not one of the people who demands democrats align with me 100% for me to vote for them so I know this isn't directed at me, that being said, it would be nice if democrats started listening to the public, and the majority of the American public doesn't give a flying **** about supporting Israel. Or Ukraine either. Or any other country. It's almost bipartisan that we want our country to fix our own **** before we spent another dime to any other foreign country 

[Vermillion]

 

[anti-bitch]

2 minutes ago, MP3 said:

Do you all remember when you all were freaking out because Taylor didn't andorsed Kamala yet haha funny times

Well tbh Taylor only did two posts on Instagram. But yeah, it's safe to say now that people don't really care about celebrities opinions.

[Bloo]

13 minutes ago, Harrier said:

 

You all contribute collectively to this problem though, by lampooning Democrats with your special interest activist concerns that distract the overall narrative from the economy. You acknowledge that the Democrats have a problem of becoming the party that stitches together a coalition of special interest groups instead of having a strong unifying populist message - yet yall are one of those groups. You demand she aligns herself with you perfectly in order to earn your vote. Even if she ran a much more ambitious economic message and focused on it constantly, you still would have spent the election making various angry threads about various things Harris did that outraged you on Gaza, the trans answer etc etc.

 

In that polling, voters +17  said "Kamala Harris is too focused on cultural issues like transgender issues...". There is your hard evidence that the trans attack ads landed and helped contribute to the narrative that Kamala was detached from the needs of the average voter. Third strongest criticism of her and the first one with no link to Biden. Not once did she talk about it or raise it herself during the campaign. And yet here you guys were dragging her and having a huge meltdown for that evasive answer avoiding saying the word trans - here is your evidence of why, as I argued back then, she did that answer. She was trying to avoid a soundbite... so she could move on and talk about the issues that matter most to voters. 

 

The Democrats know the economy is the most important thing, the problem was that their economic message was ineffective. Do y'all really have any leg to stand on here when you are constantly asking her to take stances and focus on issues that... are not the economy? You were all lazer focused on Gaza for months on end and arguing all over the place that she would lose because of her stance. Don't make me go looking for peoples posts.

 

Yall are too frustrating with your inability to take anything on board, everything is just evidence to confirm your prior beliefs. Nothing changes, no learning is done. I can acknowledge where I was wrong. I was wrong when I argued it was too risky for Harris to take on a more ambitious economic agenda. I was wrong when I argued there were still some voters out there who liked unity talk. I was wrong when I initially defended the Cheney thing. Yall will not engage in any reflection and will just continue to yell about how right you are and how your politics is the solution to everything

The suggestion that the infighting in this thread is more impactful than the dumb campaign decisions Kamala Harris made is not a serious piece of commentary. Like, let’s be serious. 
 

We say she should embrace universal economic populism because it’s more appealing than identity-based messaging. You then agree and say, “But what about the trans issue!?” We try to explain that the data do not show that this is a point of concern with the electorate and those questions should be redirected back to economic issues and then you say we’re being divisive.

 

It truly feels like you’re intentionally not listening at this point.  

[GraceRandolph]

1 minute ago, MP3 said:

Do you all remember when you all were freaking out because Taylor didn't andorsed Kamala yet haha funny times

I mean Kamala would've probably lost by more votes if not for the celebrity endorsements. 
 

[Vermillion]

 

[Communion]

17 minutes ago, Harrier said:

You all contribute collectively to this problem though, by lampooning Democrats with your special interest activist concerns

You're an Australian who has routinely been called out for expressing transphobic "concerns" like arguing letting young people transition was harming them. 

 

I need you to understand that is the only context in which your participation in discussing American politics exists. 

 

That you're Australian means that your inability to accept economic messaging as the issue at hand or accept that many progressives already are progressive on economic and social policy is not going to warrant much engagement. You're entitled to whatever opinion you want, but yelling at me over what it means to live in America would hold as much weight as if it came from Ian Miles Cheong. 

 

You're not a citizen of America. You're not a resident of America. You're a citizen from a place thousands of miles away where you wake up and go to sleep every night knowing you will always have access to healthcare. You have no stake in this conversation so thus your frustrations are never going to prompt "reflection".

 

I as a queer American fighting for health insurance and queer rights am not going to listen to someone urging the abandoning of the latter while already having the former.

 

17 minutes ago, Harrier said:

The Democrats know the economy is the most important thing

Oh?

 

 

Edited November 9 by Communion

[Bethenny Frankel]

9 minutes ago, Bhabylon said:

Tulsi Gabbard or Ivanka Trump sadly

 

Tulsi is not going anywhere near an elected office position for the rest of her miserable lifetime, Ivanka does have a chance but I think she likes being a socialite too much

 

[Lightbringer007]

well