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[FameFatale]

Jesus Christ

 

 

[FameFatale]

This is something I can get behind 

 

 

[WildAmerican]

this fallout period has begun to feel similar to 2004 or 2012 and both parties won the next cycle. It feels catastrophic now and we will be in the far right swing of the pendulum of American politics for a bit, but we'll come back.

[Thuggin]

1 minute ago, FameFatale said:

This is something I can get behind 

 

 

Dems should obstruct this too idgaf

 

[Lil Mistee]

Oh btw a few people I talked to who voted for Trump said they believe Biden and Harris were puppets for Obama and he secretly runs the show in the Democratic Party 

 

errrrm

[FameFatale]

1 minute ago, Lil Mistee said:

Oh btw a few people I talked to who voted for Trump said they believe Biden and Harris were puppets for Obama and he secretly runs the show in the Democratic Party 

 

errrrm

Ask them about JFK Jr

[WildAmerican]

1 minute ago, Lil Mistee said:

Oh btw a few people I talked to who voted for Trump said they believe Biden and Harris were puppets for Obama and he secretly runs the show in the Democratic Party 

 

errrrm

one positive is the Obama era of American politics is over, Biden and Harris happened bc of him. New blood!

[CandyCoatedClouds]

10 minutes ago, FameFatale said:

I mean we have until Jan 6, 2025. He could still end up in jail 

 

5 minutes ago, WildAmerican said:

this fallout period has begun to feel similar to 2004 or 2012 and both parties won the next cycle. It feels catastrophic now and we will be in the far right swing of the pendulum of American politics for a bit, but we'll come back.

 

 

 

Both of these posts feel so hopeful and positive.  But my spirit is crushed and my happiness is ruined so I don't believe any this for a second right now 🤧

[Relampago.]

https://www.reddit.com/r/fivethirtyeight/s/KDshZnllb9

 

The lesson everyone is taking away is to back off of trans people. Whew, we are definitely ****ed

 

It's like we all praised 2022 in hopes it would happen for 2024, but we seem to forget that the culture war going on against trans people then completely failed.

Edited November 8 by Relampago.

[Sannie]

6 minutes ago, Thuggin said:

Dems should obstruct this too idgaf

 

In fact, demand we add two hours each year. Make it harder.

[Relampago.]

3 minutes ago, Relampago. said:

https://www.reddit.com/r/fivethirtyeight/s/KDshZnllb9

 

The lesson everyone is taking away is to back off of trans people. Whew, we are definitely ****ed

 

It's like we all praised 2022 in hopes it would happen for 2024, but we seem to forget that the culture war going on against trans people then completely failed.

The main takeaway in this thread being: We need to listen to Bill Clinton more!

 

Kill me now. Just end it!

[WildAmerican]

9 minutes ago, CandyCoatedClouds said:

 

 

 

 

Both of these posts feel so hopeful and positive.  But my spirit is crushed and my happiness is ruined so I don't believe any this for a second right now 🤧

I mean dooming ain't gonna do anything positive. know things will eventually get better and just remember to live your life the next four years.

[RihRihGirrrl]

4 minutes ago, WildAmerican said:

I mean dooming ain't gonna do anything positive. know things will eventually get better and just remember to live your life the next four years.

This part....don't let politics consume your life. You should definitely pay attention to what's happening but prioritize living your life and your mental health 

[XDNA]

The MAGAs have been spewing anti-trans and drag queen rhetoric for years. See the conspiracies about drag queens reading to children, Brittney Griner, grooming, and replacing women. The only difference is that now they're out in the open about it and mainstream, but it didn't just happen just now.

[Lil Mistee]

https://x.com/mattyglesias/status/1854947382263157004?s=46&t=mq_Fjb3ms9sT3RkpkcNPGw

 

 

AND THERE YOU HAVE IT, Palestine did not affect this election at all. Sorry girl @Communion

[WildAmerican]

Just now, RihRihGirrrl said:

This part....don't let politics consume your life. You should definitely pay attention to what's happening but prioritize living your life and your mental health 

i'll be 30 by the next election, trust I am gonna live my life as I want while we still have rights nn

[Lil Mistee]

19 minutes ago, Relampago. said:

https://www.reddit.com/r/fivethirtyeight/s/KDshZnllb9

 

The lesson everyone is taking away is to back off of trans people. Whew, we are definitely ****ed

 

It's like we all praised 2022 in hopes it would happen for 2024, but we seem to forget that the culture war going on against trans people then completely failed.

Don't hate me, I think right now, with the awful economy, social issues due need to take somewhat of a back burner approach where it's not completely lost but def not the topic at hand. People are willing to listen more if the economy isn't such utter ****. 
 

edit to be clear: Social issues should still be talked about and honestly in a more forthcoming and progressive way, but I think the economy is numero uno right now, as is the topic of healthcare and immigration. 

Edited November 8 by Lil Mistee

[GhostBox]

 

[khalyan]

22 minutes ago, Sannie said:

In fact, demand we add two hours each year. Make it harder.

Lets switch back and forth every month!

[Mariah4life]

On 11/7/2024 at 11:11 AM, BOOMBAYAH said:

We kind of need a super cool, attractive man in his mid-to-late 40s who can effectively sell left-wing ideas to young people and independents.

 

god he was so hot. he could turn florida and texas blue

[Relampago.]

2 minutes ago, Lil Mistee said:

Don't hate me, I think right now, with the awful economy, social issues due need to take somewhat of a back burner approach where it's not completely lost but def not the topic at hand. People are willing to listen more if the economy isn't such utter ****. 

This is what I'm not getting though, at no point did Harris OR Biden make either of these issues their main point or anywhere CLOSE

 

It makes no sense to say they need to go on the back burner when they're already there. 
 

The issue is Dems are sh*t at messaging and get bullied off issues because they lack any true values and beliefs. How hard is it to say "the government has no business trying to determine what someone's gender expression should be, and should be defending any all civil liberties of any person. Any decisions made around this I will leave up to the patient and doctor's expertise and the government will remain out of people's private lives and personal decisions. Now let's move onto more pressing issues for the American public." 

 

Instead we got Kamala's milquetoast weird answer probably cause she was scared of the trans label being thrust onto her. A total failure, and the fact people think the answer is to run away from this issue is a ****ing joke. Dems, liberals and everyone else really don't give a **** about anyone if it doesn't net them votes. Meanwhile Republicans are supporting mass deportations and winning the Latino vote because they stick to their messaging, while Dems can't find their ****ing footing ever because they're a bunch of losers with 0 spine. Nothing but opportunists who probably only continue to support LGBTQ because we're a reliable voting bloc, not because most of them actually care about what the **** happens to us.

[RihRihGirrrl]

4 minutes ago, Lil Mistee said:

https://x.com/mattyglesias/status/1854947382263157004?s=46&t=mq_Fjb3ms9sT3RkpkcNPGw

 

 

AND THERE YOU HAVE IT, Palestine did not affect this election at all. Sorry girl @Communion

By 'Swing Voters' do they mean swing state voters? If so, it makes sense given they got bombarded with anti-trans ads. 

 

The only way to combat the cultural fear mongering is to give people more important things to be optimistic about like more money in their pockets and an economic outlook that really makes them feel like they have a fair shot. 

 

But we also need to be realistic about the fact that some of the more liberal stances we've taken around trans issues (sports, tax payer funded gender transition surgery) are very unpopular among the general public so we need to be honest about that and give Democrats a little grace when they try to not address those issues in a campaign i.e Kamala giving the wishy washy answer on the trans question). 

[Bloo]

14 minutes ago, Lil Mistee said:

Don't hate me, I think right now, with the awful economy, social issues due need to take somewhat of a back burner approach where it's not completely lost but def not the topic at hand. People are willing to listen more if the economy isn't such utter ****. 
 

edit to be clear: Social issues should still be talked about and honestly in a more forthcoming and progressive way, but I think the economy is numero uno right now, as is the topic of healthcare and immigration. 

No one is disagreeing that the economy should be the focus. I and many others have been saying Kamala’s lack of economic policy was going to hurt her in the election months ago. However, blaming trans people at this point is only going to incentivize the movement to shift into anti-trans territory because the democrats are not unilaterally pro-trans. Kamala’s response to her views on trans issues was to “follow the law”. So, the suggestion to make trans issues “take a back seat” next time does not cohere with the fact that it was never really harped upon in this election by the Democrats. Using them as a scapegoat is only going to result in a further shift to the right which is a mistake. 

I know you’re not meaning to do this, but it feels like some of y’all are gaslighting us into trying to believe the Democrats ran a bold and loud pro-trans campaign when they… didn’t. Colin Allred in TX ran ads talking about “boys shouldn’t be in girls sports” and Kamala refused to say the word “trans” during her entire campaign. So, this suggestion to shift away from trans issues makes no sense when there was no affirmative case being made by national democrats. At best, they were apathetic. The complaint of leftists is that they dodged the questions apathetically or caved to transphobic framing. You should instead respond by redirecting the conversation to actual problems. 

 

You can have a strong response to baited trans questions without slamming them. Plenty of successful democrats have done it. 

[khalyan]

2 hours ago, Bloo said:

I disagree. Democrats shouldn't be talking about this issue at all because their job isn't to legislate on sports.

 

The discussions of trans people in sports is complicated. Plenty of trans people will openly say they don't like talking about this issue because they understand the nuances of it and why it's complex. For instance, you are not required to undergo HRT (hormone replacement therapy) to be transgender. That's not a requirement. So, yes, there are physiological considerations that have to be made. That's a fine and fair point. However, if we do it indelicately then we will also harm cisgender women. Thus far, cisgender women in sports have faced more backlash from the transphobia surrounding this obsession of transwomen in sports than actual transwomen. There are hormonal differences between cisgender women, so even standardizing that is murky and difficult.

 

This is a conversation for sports associations, for medical doctors, for physiologists, for women (both trans and cis), and that is something that will take time.

 

Why do we want politicians involved in this conversation? They do not have the vernacular for this conversation and their job has nothing to do with it. The best they can do is ignore it and say the issue is a distraction altogether and focus on real problems like the economy.

Definitely, the professional sport organizations aren’t perfect. We saw what the IOC allowed World Athletics to do to Caster Semeya. However, I also don’t think it hurts to be prepared with a policy and especially a policy that can pivot into a more popular topic such as M4A/healthcare. 

[rzal]

"Kamala is for they/them, president Trump is for you"

 

Edited November 8 by rzal