rzal Posted November 8 Posted November 8 55 minutes ago, Cruel Summer said: The ATRL leftist diaspora being planned in here, the strategic Democratic Party targets - I mean if nobody else is gonna fix the ******* thing, it might as well be a bunch of internet LGTBQs with incredibly strong opinions about things like whether the latest Lady Gaga single is red or green today. Let's also start a change.org petition to convince Rachel Platten and Columbia Records to un-publish Fight Song, because that thing has such deep associations with the liberal Democratic establishment in my psyche that I feel ill when I hear it in public Internet LGBTQs you say 2 minutes ago, Bethenny Frankel said: Honestly Kamala would pretty easily win that Governor race if she chooses to. I don't think this is the last we see of her. What do ex vice presidents and failed candidates usually do?
Sannie Posted November 8 Posted November 8 3 minutes ago, Vermillion said: OK, but where are these people getting all these phone numbers? Did the Trump campaign sell their text messaging lists? How else would these people get all these numbers AND know they're from black people? Somebody with access to lots of subscribers lists is doing this. 2 minutes ago, Cruel Summer said: Is there any actual reason that the President magically becomes above the law or is that just yet another case of "well we have to respect the Constitution" and "it would cause so much instability!" nonsense to which we on the left side of the American political spectrum capitulate because of some sort of mythological and ultimately false idea of how we have to behave in a democracy/republic even though the Republicans wouldn't give a single **** if the roles were reversed? The most powerful AG in the nation serves at the pleasure of the President. The DOJ is staffed by the President. They can't/won't investigate their boss.
FameFatale Posted November 8 Posted November 8 I should've saw this coming when that Oliver Anthony song went viral last year 2
Redstreak Posted November 8 Posted November 8 I've really enjoyed some of MR's political coverage this cycle, even if Emma was a lot more bullish on Harris like I was 1
Harrier Posted November 8 Posted November 8 34 minutes ago, Bloo said: Why do we want politicians making pledges on how sports should be conducted? They can focus on their jobs of fixing the economy, fixing our crumbling infrastructure, fixing our education system, and addressing climate change. I don't know why we have to keep repeating this, there are several Democrats in Red States that don't bend the knee for protecting trans people and they still win because people don't vote based on this "issue". Abandoning trans people out of a reactionary instinct just means you are learning the wrong lesson from 2024. Kamala threw immigrants under the bus and bragged about building more of the border wall than Trump will and look what happened: Latino voters fled the Democratic party for Trump. For an example, here's Kentucky Democratic governor defending trans kids who would then go on to win re-election: If you care about winning, then you will not suggest scape-goating more minorities as sacrificial lambs to appease Republicans that won't change their minds about you. We don't want them to, but sometimes Republicans force an issue. You guys say im not learning from Kamalas loss, but what I'm seeing from yall is you just taking her loss in a way that confirms all of your prior beliefs. There is denialism that the social battleground issues have any impact, even though they are the main driver for the collapse among gen z men and the main discussion topics in those online right wing spheres that are capturing so many of them. We discussed all that stuff, the podcasts and such. I work in a school with young people. Guess what they're talking about? Proniuns and trans sports. Guess what they're not talking about? Inflation. Sure, material issues matter more with older folks who don't know what the **** this fight even is, but you can't just dismiss it as entirely irrelevant. There is room for a white red state governor with bipartisan cred to take a stance like that. Is their room for a female swing state house incumbent? It's just never as simple and easy as you paint it. 2 1
Thuggin Posted November 8 Posted November 8 21 minutes ago, Sannie said: The only bright light I can see at the end of this very long, dark tunnel is this. The Republicans will have nothing to fall back on. Every misstep that is felt by the American people will fall onto them. Trump is not going into the White House with Obama's economy; he's going into the White House with millions expecting him to push the magic "reduce prices" button. If the prices don't drop quickly, he'll be the one to suffer the backlash. And this backlash, I feel, will consume him as he's an obvious egomaniac. I can see him crumbling from it, firing everyone, and being erratic to the point of not being able to get anything done. That's our best hope. Maybe Democrats just obstruct everything too They need to learn to be as ruthless as Republicans. Especially since Trump will just blame them for everything going wrong anyway, or if they do come together to pass anything there will be no "bipartisanship this and that" Republicans will take full credit. 1
ClashAndBurn Posted November 8 Posted November 8 5 minutes ago, Vermillion said: Nick Fuentes has officially become normalized now. Eating dinner with Trump and Kanye was only the beginning. 1
Redstreak Posted November 8 Posted November 8 (edited) 5 minutes ago, FameFatale said: I should've saw this coming when that Oliver Anthony song went viral last year You know what that's actually a fantastic point, coming down to the same dynamics as Harris v Trump. Libs self righteously finger wagged about the line about buying junk food with food stamps while the generic right took it face value as a song about things not going well Edited November 8 by Redstreak 1
choerry Posted November 8 Posted November 8 How is control of the House of Representatives looking? Is there still a narrow path for Dems to gain control?
Sannie Posted November 8 Posted November 8 2 minutes ago, Harrier said: We don't want them to, but sometimes Republicans force an issue. You guys say im not learning from Kamalas loss, but what I'm seeing from yall is you just taking her loss in a way that confirms all of your prior beliefs. There is denialism that the social battleground issues have any impact, even though they are the main driver for the collapse among gen z men and the main discussion topics in those online right wing spheres that are capturing so many of them. We discussed all that stuff, the podcasts and such. I work in a school with young people. Guess what they're talking about? Proniuns and trans sports. Guess what they're not talking about? Inflation. Sure, material issues matter more with older folks who don't know what the **** this fight even is, but you can't just dismiss it as entirely irrelevant. There is room for a white red state governor with bipartisan cred to take a stance like that. Is their room for a female swing state house incumbent? It's just never as simple and easy as you paint it. Instead of admitting they were also wrong, this is what they're doing all over the Internet. 2 minutes ago, Thuggin said: Maybe Democrats just obstruct everything too They need to learn to be as ruthless as Republicans. Especially since Trump will just blame them for everything going wrong anyway, or if they do come together to pass anything there will be no "bipartisanship this and that" Republicans will take full credit. If they win the House, absolutely. They better not agree to pass a single ******* thing. If they don't, they have no power anyways.
ATRL Moderator khalyan Posted November 8 Author ATRL Moderator Posted November 8 33 minutes ago, Sannie said: KEN PAXTON WOULD BE AN ABSOLUTE NIGHTMARE FOR EVERYONE, ESPECIALLY WOMEN. Lets do Ken Paxton because he has the highest change of being removed from office and then Texas won’t have to deal with him 1 4
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted November 8 ATRL Moderator Posted November 8 10 minutes ago, Harrier said: We don't want them to, but sometimes Republicans force an issue. There are literally no data that suggest this is an important issue to the electorate. You are choosing to believe right-wing framing based on nothing. Unless you can provide something substantive to demonstrate that this is a quantitatively important point of concern for voters, then there is no reason to say we should focus on this moving forward. 3 2
rivers Posted November 8 Posted November 8 10 minutes ago, Vermillion said: Essentially for profit concentration camps? 1
Thuggin Posted November 8 Posted November 8 2 minutes ago, FameFatale said: I should've saw this coming when that Oliver Anthony song went viral last year I was just thinking the same thing, but tbh I'm so annoyed with Republicans cosplaying as the working class. Republican policies don't help anyone but the rich. That needs to be repeated more often. Like stop calling out DC elites, coastal elites, and champagne liberals and blah blah blah if you just want to give the wealthiest more tax cuts. "Working class" has become a conservative coded identity more than an actual income group at this point. And I guess "middle class" has become the foil to that from the Democratic side. 1
Relampago. Posted November 8 Posted November 8 7 minutes ago, Sannie said: "Most don't have skills." "Most don't have partners." And then... "All for reasons outside of our control." These boys are such ******* losers. What do you mean it's someone else's fault you don't have a skill? Skills are learned. You can learn any skill. Like… I really do sympathize with young men, but the truth is a lot of them were babied by their moms, sit home and play video games all day, don't educate, don't get apprenticeships, don't care to work hard. There is a ROT going on in the youth and technology has a lot to do with it. These young men aren't blameless victims. The world really does still operate around them, women are just working much harder to get to where they are. I don't really know how to address that other than babying young men, which would be bad for society at large. Seriously, we need to get them back in school. Intellectualism and philosophizing (not in the Andrew Tate way…) need to stop being seen as a feminine thing. Men need to be raised as leaders for the weak and least fortunate again, not some kind of alpha that dominates everything and everyone. 3 3
Sannie Posted November 8 Posted November 8 Just now, choerry said: How is control of the House of Representatives looking? Is there still a narrow path for Dems to gain control? It's possible but very narrow. If Dems don't take it, the GOP majority will be so small that they may still struggle to pass anything. 3
Harrier Posted November 8 Posted November 8 6 minutes ago, Bloo said: There are literally no data that suggest this is an important issue to the electorate. You are choosing to believe right-wing framing based on nothing. If you can provide something substantive to demonstrate that this is a quantitatively important point of concern for voters, then there is no reason to say we should focus on this moving forward. Youre missing the point. This issue is a losing one precisely because voters think it is a weird fringe concern no one they know supports, which thus contributes to this idea that democrats - not Republicans - are out of touch with the needs of voters. That's why the Republican attacks work. Thus why that trans ad against Harris was effective. A poll that asks voters who think trans people are weird and fringe what the most important issues are is not going to reveal high numbers of people who think it's an important issue.
ClashAndBurn Posted November 8 Posted November 8 6 minutes ago, khalyan said: Lets do Ken Paxton because he has the highest change of being removed from office and then Texas won't have to deal with him Removed from office by whom? The same senators that failed to convict Trump twice? …henny. 1
Relampago. Posted November 8 Posted November 8 4 minutes ago, Vermillion said: Was COVID not enough The way WW3 will be how we get the Green New Deal passed 2 4
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