news 2024 US Election Megathread 🇺🇸🏛️

[Redstreak]

 Democracy turning out to be a top polling issue because of the Harris coronation and people thinking Biden stole the election

[ClashAndBurn]

1 minute ago, Harrier said:

But what do we do about this sports issue realistically? What does the left want from democrats? You're right they will use it as a wedge issue - so do you just let them and lose your election? Let them take more power?

 

This isn't a personal freedom issue, like trans people's healthcare. Thus it is immensely harder to argue for. It has horrendous polling not only in the US but literally everywhere. Frankly, no one has an effective argument other than 'shut up trans women are women and belong in women's sports'. That isn't going to cut It when this fundamentally goes against people's intuitions. Even a lot of LGBT people are hesitant on some of the nuances. Its divisive even in a space like ATRL. There are non-right wing trans commentators who acknowledge there is room nuance. Why then close ranks and refuse to budge on an issue that is only relevant for like probably under 1000 people in your whole country 

 

Unless someone can provide me with an argument that will actually be persuasive to cis normies, for me this falls squarely in the category of toxic dead end Californinian social politics.

Going out of your way to ban something that is of near-zero statistical significance just shows that Democrats will be more willing to throw you under the bus in other ways. The sports ban is David Shor popularism, sure fine whatever. Pass it and make it clear to everyone that you think trans people are an unjustifiable burden and must be sacrificed. What comes next?

 

In my opinion, in the unlikely event that ACA repeal fails, the ban on transition surgery until the age of 26 and the ban on puberty blockers will be the next steps. The goal is to prevent trans people from accessing the care they need until they commit suicide. Banning transition surgery from being covered by any insurance whatsoever will be on the table as well.

[ClashAndBurn]

3 minutes ago, Redstreak said:

 Democracy turning out to be a top polling issue because of the Harris coronation and people thinking Biden stole the election

The fact that Harris lost so many Biden voters is being cited as proof that Biden stole the election too. Dunno if you've seen the bar graphs but… yeah…

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[Communion]

7 minutes ago, Harrier said:

But what do we do about this sports issue realistically?

"This is not a serious issue and is being used to distract from Republicans taking money out of people's pockets."

 

The Republican governor from Utah did the same thing when he was asked to sign a bill that focused on trans kids in school sports. He pointed out the absurdity on a bill meant to target three - 3 - children in his state out of hundreds of thousands. And emphasized how children just want to make friends and feel included. 

 

It's insane that shills like Victor Shi are pushing Newsom for "owning conservatives" yet Dems don't realize they have to do to bigotry what the right did to "wokeism". Mock it and frame it as the right going after children. 

 

Literally the only time the Harris campaign had momentum was when Tim Walz went on TV and started screaming "WHY ARE REPUBLICAN FREAKS TRYING TO CONTROL HOW PARENTS RAISE THEIR CHILDREN WHILE PEOPLE CANT AFFORD A DAMN MEAL!!!".

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[Lil Mistee]

So I did some canvassing if you will today asking people why they voted for Trump whether that was a friend of a friend, their uncle, my coworker, etc. the over whelming 3 core main responses were this:

 

 

Inflations bad and they think Trump would fix it cuz he's a businessman, Trump is tough and admiring for continuing to run after being shot, and that Trump (somehow) isn't the status quo they're used to in politicians.

 

 

Dems have to really learn to get away from the political outlook on people and connect with voters on a personable level. This tweet backs up my anecdotal findings as well: https://x.com/andykimnj/status/1854585786773000223?s=46

[khalyan]

Democrats need to follow the standard NCAA/Olympic rules for trans competitors by maintaining certain hormone levels for a set amount of time to be eligible to compete. And this would tie more into making sure trans people have access to healthcare than it would “boys in girls sports”. 

[rivers]

19 minutes ago, Thuggin said:

New York being closer to red than Florida is to blue

 

My boyfriend and I are planning on leaving Tennessee but the list of comfortably blue states is so limited now  

Guess you need to move to NY now to keep it blue 

 

 

In all seriousness, come out West. Less people and tons of natural beauty. You also have very blue states still out here. 

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[Cruel Summer]

Every time I read about the ******* tariffs and the people voting for the candidate that proposed them not having a ******* clue what a tariff is and ******* themselves over and it's not even their fault, it's the fault of right wing corporate politicians gutting public education through things like diverting funds to charter schools and spreading intentional disinformation about how tariffs work and who pays for them - honestly it makes me nauseous because of how it's only going to get worse as the Department of Education crumbles, rots, and is ultimately completely abolished

 

[Bloo]

22 minutes ago, Harrier said:

But what do we do about this sports issue realistically? What does the left want from democrats? You're right they will use it as a wedge issue - so do you just let them and lose your election? Let them take more power?

Why do we want politicians making pledges on how sports should be conducted? They can focus on their jobs of fixing the economy, fixing our crumbling infrastructure, fixing our education system, and addressing climate change. 

 

I don't know why we have to keep repeating this, there are several Democrats in Red States that don't bend the knee for protecting trans people and they still win because people don't vote based on this "issue". Abandoning trans people out of a reactionary instinct just means you are learning the wrong lesson from 2024. Kamala threw immigrants under the bus and bragged about building more of the border wall than Trump will and look what happened: Latino voters fled the Democratic party for Trump.

 

For an example, here's Kentucky Democratic governor defending trans kids who would then go on to win re-election:

 

 

If you care about winning, then you will not suggest scape-goating more minorities as sacrificial lambs to appease Republicans that won't change their minds about you.

[Lil Mistee]

I also saw some people (two) I asked say that his salary donations to the national park service amongst other areas where also a huge factor showing that he isn't in it for the money. To which I responded saying… well he is rich so… and they said it didn't matter a lot of people wouldn't do what he did…. Which is fair I guess?

[Communion]

I'm also so eternally angry and resentful and mad that tokenist liberal pundits screamed that Bernie's movement was some secret conservative one that would sacrifice queer people for economic populism and that Joe Rogan endorsing Bernie "Trans Mecca" Sanders wouldn't come without a cost..

 

And now the first thing Democrats are running to after their billionaire girl boss CEO yimby crypto popularism campaign burst into flame is arguing we gotta be fine with letting trans people die fjdjfjf. I hate Democrats!!!! 

Edited November 8 by Communion

[ClashAndBurn]

3 minutes ago, khalyan said:

Democrats need to follow the standard NCAA/Olympic rules for trans competitors by maintaining certain hormone levels for a set amount of time to be eligible to compete. And this would tie more into making sure trans people have access to healthcare than it would "boys in girls sports". 

Nah, they're just going to ban it, along with being trans in public down the road. The sports ban is going to be one of the first things that passes the next Congress, and Democrats won't earn credit from any voter over it, just like how not one single voter credits them for sliding to the right by accepting the Republican immigration plan from 2016 as a bipartisan compromise.

 

It's a fallacy. Those voters will just reward Republicans for those thing like they always would have.

[Lil Mistee]

How do we make dems punk? Cuz it seems most people dislike politics and the status quo. Let's hire mid 90s RuPaul on the case… 

 

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[Redstreak]

8 minutes ago, Vermillion said:

 

But I don't see how that isn't a big indictment on messaging. There's a reason Bernie, who has said the same things over and over for decades was popular and even his haters can tell you what he believes. Think back to Biden 2020, or Hillary 2016. Can anyone without looking back recall any lasting campaign messages they offered? What do people remember about Kamala, all the things she said she wanted in 2019 that she spent the past 3 months suddenly running against. The only message coming out of that is she's a hypocrite so what would invest someone in wanting to take the time to learn the details of her 2024 policies she's now claiming to advocate for? Even if they learn they're better than Trump, what next thought do they have besides "and when will she turn on that one too?" On some level clear and consistent aesthetics *is* messaging.

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10 minutes ago, khalyan said:

Democrats need to follow the standard NCAA/Olympic rules for trans competitors by maintaining certain hormone levels for a set amount of time to be eligible to compete. And this would tie more into making sure trans people have access to healthcare than it would “boys in girls sports”. 

I disagree. Democrats shouldn't be talking about this issue at all because their job isn't to legislate on sports.

 

The discussions of trans people in sports is complicated. Plenty of trans people will openly say they don't like talking about this issue because they understand the nuances of it and why it's complex. For instance, you are not required to undergo HRT (hormone replacement therapy) to be transgender. That's not a requirement. So, yes, there are physiological considerations that have to be made. That's a fine and fair point. However, if we do it indelicately then we will also harm cisgender women. Thus far, cisgender women in sports have faced more backlash from the transphobia surrounding this obsession of transwomen in sports than actual transwomen. There are hormonal differences between cisgender women, so even standardizing that is murky and difficult.

 

This is a conversation for sports associations, for medical doctors, for physiologists, for women (both trans and cis), and that is something that will take time.

 

Why do we want politicians involved in this conversation? They do not have the vernacular for this conversation and their job has nothing to do with it. The best they can do is ignore it and say the issue is a distraction altogether and focus on real problems like the economy.

[rivers]

3 minutes ago, Lil Mistee said:

I also saw some people (two) I asked say that his salary donations to the national park service amongst other areas where also a huge factor showing that he isn't in it for the money. To which I responded saying… well he is rich so… and they said it didn't matter a lot of people wouldn't do what he did…. Which is fair I guess?

Trump's donation was literally a year salary's worth for one employee. I hate this timeline 

 

 

[Princess Aurora]

26 minutes ago, Lightbringer007 said:

WHAT THE FAWK-

 

 

 

Who's this idiot?