Redstreak Posted November 8 Posted November 8 (edited) 4 hours ago, Lose My Breath said: It wasn't at all, it was about the Democrats not turning up... We didn't even need the 10-15 million that didn't vote, we only needed a small fraction of that. And guess what, those same Democrats will cry, and cry, and blame Kamala because Donald is president, all while they didn't show up to the polls. Sure, you didn't like Kamala, but now 100 years of legislation is easily going to be repealed, tons of work done will be gone, and we may NEVER be able to put it back, all because someone had a "point" to prove. It's not that people just didn't like Biden/Harris, some of you are focusing way too much on these specific trump elections. People hate capital L Liberalism, it's not just a name we give to democrats as if they're interchangeable. Liberalism is a fully fleshed out ideology that is grossly ineffective at battling the inequalities ushered in by worship of capital, but it's one that centrist left parties in power have been pushing for decades now, and we're reaching the end results of the contradictions of cozying up to big money and blasé institutional pandering that put band aids on bullet holes its like how people right now are arguing about the economy being better, yeah stocks are up, but are you feeling any of that benefit? Have your paychecks gotten better? The dems biggest voting bloc this cycle on income being people making above 100k is a failure at every level Edited November 8 by Redstreak 6
rzal Posted November 8 Posted November 8 4 hours ago, Relampago. said: Oouu clock it. Democrats laughing at Trump going to McDonalds and riding a garbage truck like that was a loser thing to do, meanwhile the GeePee was eating it up. Yikes! It's no wonder people HATE them. Very out of touch. Kamala worked in McDonalds fr and people are convinced that was a lie. If she did that stunt she'd lose by even bigger landslide. 1
Harrier Posted November 8 Posted November 8 2 hours ago, Marianah Adkins said: Its her interview in The View when she said she will not change a thing from Biden. That gave a lifeline to Trump who was tanking after the debate. Her momentum stopped and she started doing all of the bullshit errors like parading the Cheneys in an attempt to regain momentum, only for her numbers to tank completely. That View Interview imo is the real October Surprise of the election This was part of it for sure, but I think it was also just the natural honeymoon phase for Kamala just wore off. Voters who had shifted towards her remembered their anger at the administration for inflation and went back. So some mistakes for sure but again, the headwinds against democrats were very strong this year. -- I do want to remind people that pendulum swinging is an inevitable part of electoral politics. As an incumbent you have to do your best to minimise it, and Biden failed miserably in this. Even if you accept every leftist argument about the ineffectiveness of mainstream democrats, it is just flatly true that a left populist like Bernie would have faced major losses eventually. Had he won in 2016, we could be facing a massive red wave this year and a collapse of a lot of the things her fought for. I still agree that the party must move towards economic populism, but I feel like the left has this fanciful idea that the Republican party will be defeated forever once a socialist enters government or whatever. No democracy is like that. That's why you need two healthy, normal parties and not a situation where one party is an existential threat like you have now. Thus why the projects to reform the Republican party away from MAGA were worthwhile 1 2
Lil Mistee Posted November 8 Posted November 8 The way technology was used by republicans in a way dems will never understand always gags me. These old white Republican men really dragged the girls there… 1
FameFatale Posted November 8 Posted November 8 People were worried about Trixie Mattel indoctrinating our children when it was Andrew Tate this entire time. 2 3 2
Chiidish Posted November 8 Posted November 8 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Redstreak said: It's not that people just didn't like Biden/Harris, some of you are focusing way too much on these specific trump elections. People hate capital L Liberalism, it's not just a name we give to democrats as if they're interchangeable. Liberalism is a fully fleshed out ideology that is grossly ineffective at battling the inequalities ushered in by worship of capital, but it's one that centrist left parties in power have been pushing for decades now, and we're reaching the end results of the contradictions of cozying up to big money and blasé institutional pandering that put band aids on bullet holds Ohhhhh this whack. I'm trying to reprogram my partner from being a hardcore liberal (in terms of strategy). I'll be using this thank you. Edited November 8 by Chiidish 2
Vermillion Posted November 8 Posted November 8 The combination of thoughts and posts from the last five or so pages really sum up a lot really well. At this point I don't know where we go from here. 1
ClashAndBurn Posted November 8 Posted November 8 41 minutes ago, MAKSIM said: ooh they're going to lose so badly in 2028. Kamala "destroyed Trump" on the debate stage and then got destroyed at the ballot box. Truthfully debates should probably just come to an end anyway. Since Democrats don't think Democrats should personally attack each other and should only play nice unless their target is Bernie Sanders or Tulsi Gabbard. And then they don't move the needle at all, truthfully. In fact, Biden's age only became a liability when he flopped in one early in the cycle when there was time for him to be thrown out. So yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if debates actually came to an end once and for all. 1
Princess Aurora Posted November 8 Posted November 8 3 minutes ago, FameFatale said: People were worried about Trixie Mattel indoctrinating our children when it was Andrew Tate this entire time. Not Trixie Mattel 2
Communion Posted November 8 Posted November 8 1 minute ago, Princess Aurora said: Well done. You're an excellent political analyst (no irony here, I'm just being honest) I'm more so just an anxious homosexual with enough demographic and life experience intersections to be open to reading into anything I come across to get a sense of how people feel, even when 98% of them don't share my very niche desire for USSR style agricultural policy or architecture. When I find a way into the 2028 Cory Booker presidential campaign and find a way to sabotage it from within so the progressive outsider gets his 2% of the primary vote instead. 2 1
RihRihGirrrl Posted November 8 Posted November 8 (edited) It's not all doom and gloom girls....in 2028 we'll be running against Vance or De Santis and they don't carry nearly the same cult-like appeal or weight that Trump does. The Dems have a chance to right the ship if they set forth a bold platform and a candidate who's got some level of charisma and likability.....but I don't see that candidate in the field as of now.... Edited November 8 by RihRihGirrrl 2
Thuggin Posted November 8 Posted November 8 Also, I know the Democratic Party and media are now determining "We have to get less woke! No more biological men in women's sports! No more Latinx! No more scolding jokes!" but they're unprepared for just how much more bigoted the Republican Party is going to get now that they were rewarded the last time. And they'll be so caught off guard they won't be able to help themselves but covering it the same way they did last time. And let's be honest, Trump is the cash cow. The media will feign outrage but they LOVE getting people to tune in to the latest outrageous thing Trump said or did. And Democrats won't be able to resist not running on them. 1
bunnyeyes Posted November 8 Posted November 8 3 minutes ago, Vermillion said: The combination of thoughts and posts from the last five or so pages really sum up a lot really well. At this point I don't know where we go from here. Glad to have you back girlie. How are you holding up?
Cruel Summer Posted November 8 Posted November 8 Just now, Communion said: I'm more so just an anxious homosexual with enough demographic and life experience intersections to be open to reading into anything I come across to get a sense of how people feel, even when 98% of them don't share my very niche desire for USSR style agricultural policy or architecture. When I find a way into the 2028 Cory Booker presidential campaign and find a way to sabotage it from within so the progressive outsider gets his 2% of the primary vote instead. Ugh me but with P*te, we can text each other campaign secrets bestie! 2
ClashAndBurn Posted November 8 Posted November 8 6 minutes ago, Harrier said: Thus why the projects to reform the Republican party away from MAGA were worthwhile They quite literally weren't. Fewer Republicans voted for Kamala than for Biden. The Cheney Chasing was literally a catastrophic failure that ended in Democrats staying home. I'd genuinely say the idea of her getting shot at by a firing squad turned out more voters for Trump than embracing her did for Kamala. 1
Vermillion Posted November 8 Posted November 8 Just now, bunnyeyes said: Glad to have you back girlie. How are you holding up? Tired. Lost. Scared of losing my insurance but too tired to fret about it. Texting with old campaign coworkers and being honest that I've lost all hope for the country.
Thuggin Posted November 8 Posted November 8 6 minutes ago, Harrier said: This was part of it for sure, but I think it was also just the natural honeymoon phase for Kamala just wore off. Voters who had shifted towards her remembered their anger at the administration for inflation and went back. So some mistakes for sure but again, the headwinds against democrats were very strong this year. -- I do want to remind people that pendulum swinging is an inevitable part of electoral politics. As an incumbent you have to do your best to minimise it, and Biden failed miserably in this. Even if you accept every leftist argument about the ineffectiveness of mainstream democrats, it is just flatly true that a left populist like Bernie would have faced major losses eventually. Had he won in 2016, we could be facing a massive red wave this year and a collapse of a lot of the things her fought for. I still agree that the party must move towards economic populism, but I feel like the left has this fanciful idea that the Republican party will be defeated forever once a socialist enters government or whatever. No democracy is like that. That's why you need two healthy, normal parties and not a situation where one party is an existential threat like you have now. Thus why the projects to reform the Republican party away from MAGA were worthwhile I agree with all of this, but I think the one thing I'll add is that Democrats too need to understand the pendulum swings and why it's not safe to just rely on "Vote Blue No Matter Who". "Well if everyone had just voted for Hillary none of this would've happened! If Republicans simply never won, then they wouldn't get any Supreme Court justices!" okay but they do win, they will win, and that's inevitable no matter how good of a job you think you're doing. And that's why RBG should've retired, and the left shouldn't have been scolded as anti-women for suggesting that. 2 1
FameFatale Posted November 8 Posted November 8 I know i'm stuck on the younger generation being lost but if we don't get it together something major is going to happen. My sister teaches junior high and she said the boys came into her class yelling "TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP!!" and telling everyone they must bow to Trump now and women are sore losers and she cut that out real quick. It's wild. 2 1
Harrier Posted November 8 Posted November 8 Just now, ClashAndBurn said: They quite literally weren't. Fewer Republicans voted for Kamala than for Biden. The Cheney Chasing was literally a catastrophic failure that ended in Democrats staying home. I'd genuinely say the idea of her getting shot at by a firing squad turned out more voters for Trump than embracing her did for Kamala. I'm not talking about that, I'm referring to the (failed) work within the right wing to get away from Trump. Like Chris Christie going to bat in the Republican primary, general efforts against Trump on the right from never Trumpers etc. I even think Nikki Haley is a step in the right direction. I am in full agreement with yall that the Cheney stuff was a waste of time. She should have just taken the endorsement and moved on
Princess Aurora Posted November 8 Posted November 8 6 minutes ago, Communion said: I'm more so just an anxious homosexual with enough demographic and life experience intersections to be open to reading into anything I come across to get a sense of how people feel, even when 98% of them don't share my very niche desire for USSR style agricultural policy or architecture. When I find a way into the 2028 Cory Booker presidential campaign and find a way to sabotage it from within so the progressive outsider gets his 2% of the primary vote instead. I think you should definitely work in politics. I believe the US needs a new generation of politicians or political strategists.
bunnyeyes Posted November 8 Posted November 8 3 minutes ago, Vermillion said: Tired. Lost. Scared of losing my insurance but too tired to fret about it. Texting with old campaign coworkers and being honest that I've lost all hope for the country. Scary how queer people voted overwhelmingly for the Harris ticket guaranteeing a pretty easy 10% of the voting electorate for the dems only for us to get thrown under the bus 1 1
wastedpotential Posted November 8 Posted November 8 (edited) The Gluey profile in the NYT making multiple circles around "I told you so" and elk diseases being more important to her than the ballot box bombings and ******* fake christmas tree tinsel being the moment she knew Kamala was going to lose I hate it here sometimes Spoiler I fear there might be some lessons in here for Demmies to take away but good lord they need to filter out this woman's inherent... policy positioning Spoiler I'm not saying I wanted Joe Kent to win (because I genuinely think he would personally open camps on his land), but if he did then the Democrats wouldn't feel the urge to run towards her wonky niche politics that seemingly work in the lumber towns of Washington and nowhere else Edited November 8 by wastedpotential 1 1
Redstreak Posted November 8 Posted November 8 3 hours ago, Bloodflowers. said: Let's also not forget superdelegates in 2016 crushing Bernie's people votes. The media's propaganda against Bernie. I am lowkey starting to believe the theory of Democratic Party being CIAagents party. They sent Liz Cheney out on a multi state tour, right now they kinda are. 2
Harrier Posted November 8 Posted November 8 15 minutes ago, RihRihGirrrl said: It's not all doom and gloom girls....in 2028 we'll be running against Vance or De Santis and they don't carry nearly the same cult-like appeal or weight that Trump does. The Dems have a chance to right the ship if they set forth a bold platform and a candidate who's got some level of charisma and likability.....but I don't see that candidate in the field as of now.... I agree, all is not lost. Kamala still will win 48% of the vote, i know it feels bad for yall but looking from the perspective of other democracies it's just a standard loss, not a complete and utter repudiation of everything the democrats have ever said and done. You just need to hope somebody emerges who isn't in the conversation right now. There's plenty of time and there will be a lot of resistance against Trump that offers opportunities for new leaders to emerge. Someone who can actually deliver a working class oriented message 2
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