skwonderfactory Posted November 8 Posted November 8 Welp, I just found out my future father-in-law voted for Trump
Relampago. Posted November 8 Posted November 8 Just found out my 23 year old brother also voted for Trump after being a hardcore Bernie Bro in 2020 Β Horseshoe theory confirmed! Β
Orsay Posted November 8 Posted November 8 3 minutes ago, Relampago. said: Just found out my 23 year old brother also voted for Trump after being a hardcore Bernie Bro in 2020 Β Horseshoe theory confirmed! Β SO many instances of this. The democrats really ****** up in the most obvious way, smh. 4
Thuggin Posted November 8 Posted November 8 Little rant as I'm cycling through more post election emptions Β The one thing I'm done hearing is "well I don't agree with everything Trump says or does". Like save it, please. This campaign proved there was nothing too extreme Trump could say or do to hurt marginalized communities that would make these people not choose their pocketbooks first. And like I said before, no, most of these people are not starving. They think he'll make stock market go up. Even though it's already higher today than it's ever been. Β Because this is an argument I hear from my family members all the time, and it's like they think they deserve points for simply saying they support people's rights, even though they will always vote Republican down the ballot no matter what. They vote for the very people who will always work tirelessly to eliminate those rights and are very open about it! Yet would be horrified if you voted for people who would threaten the exact same thing to them. Β No, save all the qualifiers. Qualifiers don't change the impact of your vote. It still does the same ******* thing. So at least stand behind it! Because a right winger is one thing, but I haaaaaate a right winger who's a p***y about it. 2
Thuggin Posted November 8 Posted November 8 6 minutes ago, Relampago. said: Just found out my 23 year old brother also voted for Trump after being a hardcore Bernie Bro in 2020 Β Horseshoe theory confirmed! Β Two of my brothers and a bunch of my cousins and aunts made this turn too I fear. Either after the DNC meddling in the 2016 primaries or after 2020 Covid **** Β 1
anti-bitch Posted November 8 Posted November 8 This man really was Democrats best hope at winning over the working class. Β Β
XDNA Posted November 8 Posted November 8 6 minutes ago, Relampago. said: Just found out my 23 year old brother also voted for Trump after being a hardcore Bernie Bro in 2020 Β Horseshoe theory confirmed! Β People made fun of me when I said the far right and the far left are closer together and theres common elements there like anti-vax views that converge. I've seen it in so many coworkers and friends in recent years. 1
anti-bitch Posted November 8 Posted November 8 10 minutes ago, Relampago. said: Just found out my 23 year old brother also voted for Trump after being a hardcore Bernie Bro in 2020 Β Horseshoe theory confirmed! Β Β 1 minute ago, Thuggin said: Two of my brothers and a bunch of my cousins and aunts made this turn too I fear. Either after the DNC meddling in the 2016 primaries or after 2020 Covid **** Β Because Dems establishment has abandoned the working class. Bernie said it himself.
Wonderland Posted November 8 Posted November 8 (edited) 1 hour ago, Elusive Chanteuse said: Do you guys think all Republicans actually agree with his plans for tariffs and ACA repeal? ACA is broadly popular at this point. Β Perhaps some of his own party will rebel.Β Β This is why I'm watching the house margin very closely. Β Specifically with regard to the ACA: I think Trump has enough votes in the senate to pass it. They now have 53 seats which is more than enough to negate the 2 likely "No" votes (Collins, Murkowski). For it to fail, 2 further Republicans would have to join. Tillis could be a longshot if he's spooked about his reelection but he has happily voted for repeals in the past. Also, Rand Paul did randomly pull support for one of the later attempts but I'm pretty sure he remains fond of a repeal if it doesn't drag on. Β However, if the republican house margin sits at like 3-4, then I think it's going to be a tough sell for a lot of these swing-district republicans. In 2017, Republicans had 236 house seats and getting a repeal passed took multiple attempts with the final vote being 217-213. It seems clear they will have a smaller margin to work with this time but I suppose there are also fewer moderates around compared to MAGA sycophants... Β I took a quick minute to look through the 20 Republicans who voted against the ACA repeal in 2017 to see how many are still around for the upcoming votes and these are who I found: Β - Andy Biggs (Arizona 5) - Brian Fitzpatrick (Pennsylvania 1) - David Joyce (Ohio 14) - Michael Turner (Ohio 10) - Christopher Smith (New Jersey 4) - Thomas Massie (Kentucky 4) Β With how the numbers are going at the moment, it's going to be tight but having 6 "No" swing votes in a slim majority likely bodes well that at least some of them would have the courage to do it again. There's also a chance these numbers are bolstered by newer house members in swing areas. I'm thinking there's a good chance at least one of the new Pennsylvania representatives is hesitant to repeal it. Β Edited November 8 by Wonderland 4
Walk_Away21 Posted November 8 Posted November 8 1 hour ago, ClashAndBurn said: The least idiotic thing I've seen tweeted by Elon Musk in years Β Β 2
Relampago. Posted November 8 Posted November 8 1 minute ago, XDNA said: People made fun of me when I said the far right and the far left are closer together and theres common elements there like anti-vax views that converge. I've seen it in so many coworkers and friends in recent years. Wait I was kidding about the whole horseshoe theory girl ddd Β The overlapping view is mostly anti-establishment and views focused on anything against the status quo. That's where the intense fervor both sides have come from. A desire to be heard when they feel they are not.Β Β Sure, maybe some ultra far left people do hop on that anti-vax train because they are anti-anything the government does, but it's very different when someone like Trump is actually fairly anti-vax versus someone like Bernie who.. clearly is not.Β
dman4life Posted November 8 Posted November 8 (edited) The true bipartisan moment when Trump throws Merrick Garland in prison and nobody gives a f**kΒ Edited November 8 by dman4life 4
ClashAndBurn Posted November 8 Posted November 8 2 minutes ago, dman4life said: The true bipartisan moment when Trump throws Merrick Garland in prison and nobody gives a f**kΒ Same thing when he puts Liz Cheney in front of an actual firing squad, along with her father Β 4
Relampago. Posted November 8 Posted November 8 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Thuggin said: Little rant as I'm cycling through more post election emptions  The one thing I'm done hearing is "well I don't agree with everything Trump says or does". Like save it, please. This campaign proved there was nothing too extreme Trump could say or do to hurt marginalized communities that would make these people not choose their pocketbooks first. And like I said before, no, most of these people are not starving. They think he'll make stock market go up. Even though it's already higher today than it's ever been.  Because this is an argument I hear from my family members all the time, and it's like they think they deserve points for simply saying they support people's rights, even though they will always vote Republican down the ballot no matter what. They vote for the very people who will always work tirelessly to eliminate those rights and are very open about it! Yet would be horrified if you voted for people who would threaten the exact same thing to them.  No, save all the qualifiers. Qualifiers don't change the impact of your vote. It still does the same ******* thing. So at least stand behind it! Because a right winger is one thing, but I haaaaaate a right winger who's a p***y about it. I know you're just ranting girl, and I feel ya given that everyone in my family voted Trump except me and 3 of my cousins, but then I'm reminded of how my family blamed me for inflation and the withdraw from Afghanistan (at least the messy part of it, because withdrawing was one of the things Biden's admin actually did correct!) but it's like hold up girl, I'm not on board with all that nonsense  I do think they should hold some accountability because Trump literally campaigned on these policies that are harmful to people, but Harris and Biden lowkey did the same thing in someways (Palestine being the #1 thing that comes to mind, but their immigration policies and lack of support for universal healthcare could be argued in the same way).  I do think we have to swallow the big pill that these Trump supporters don't really actively want to see LGBTQ people or other minority groups suffer, but could no longer stomach in inaction of an impotent government.  And I'm also not trying to excuse or absolve them of their decision, but I do want to say it is⦠kind of a good thing that these people truly don't actively hate minority groups. There's something we can work with there and it brings me a little peace of mind personally. Edited November 8 by Relampago.
Jay07 Posted November 8 Posted November 8 4 minutes ago, Relampago. said: I know you're just ranting girl, and I feel ya given that everyone in my family voted Trump except me and 3 of my cousins, but then I'm reminded of how my family blamed me for inflation and the withdraw from Afghanistan (at least the messy part of it, because withdrawing was one of the things Biden's admin actually did correct!) but it's like hold up girl, I'm not on board with all that nonsense  I do think they should hold some accountability because Trump literally campaigned on these policies that are harmful to people, but Harris and Biden lowkey did the same thing in someways (Palestine being the #1 thing that comes to mind, but their immigration policies and lack of support for universal healthcare could be argued in the same way).  I do think we have to swallow the big pill that these Trump supporters don't really actively want to see LGBTQ people or other minority groups suffer, but could no longer stomach in inaction of an impotent government.  And I'm also not trying to excuse or absolve them of their decision, but I do want to say it is⦠kind of a good thing that these people truly don't actively hate minority groups. There's something we can work with there and it brings me a little peace of mind personally. Specifically, what was their reasoning? I'm struggling with trying to figure out how you come to the point of voting for a literal monster because Biden is... weak? Impotent? What? Like, Trump is not even pretending to be normal anymore. So what was the specific reason for voting for a literal fascist who talked about an enemy from within? Inflation (which Biden actively worked to reduce, with visible results)?
Gesamtkunstwerk Posted November 8 Posted November 8 29 minutes ago, Relampago. said: Just found out my 23 year old brother also voted for Trump after being a hardcore Bernie Bro in 2020 Β Horseshoe theory confirmed! Β I literally don't get how this happens, is there a study of this some place
Sawk Posted November 8 Posted November 8 30 minutes ago, Relampago. said: Just found out my 23 year old brother also voted for Trump after being a hardcore Bernie Bro in 2020 Β Horseshoe theory confirmed! Β This happened to some family members of mine too. They were Bernie bros some years ago and then became Trump stansΒ
Arrows Posted November 8 Posted November 8 For 2028 (if there'll be one), I think Democrats probably need to be more left-leaning on all issues,Β exceptΒ immigration. Β My country has been through this. Far-right parties were on the rise, then the left wing parties started to adopt more strict immigration policies and the far-right has now died down again completely. 1
Orsay Posted November 8 Posted November 8 20 minutes ago, anti-***** said: This man really was Democrats best hope at winning over the working class. Β Β He could have been one of the best presidents ever, easily the best of the modern era... I'm sick that the STUPID democrats never let him have a real chance. This is what we all get now that you refused to take a chance on meaningful progressive policy that actually took the working class into consideration 1
ClashAndBurn Posted November 8 Posted November 8 21 minutes ago, Wonderland said: - Thomas Massie (Kentucky 4) The reason he voted no was because the "replace" was, in his words, a carbon copy of what the ACA was. If there's not a replacement, he would happily vote for the repeal to kick millions off of insurance. Β Plus, I've seen rumors floating that he's being tapped for Secretary of Agriculture or something.
Chemist Posted November 8 Posted November 8 16 hours ago, FameFatale said: Since we talked a bit yesterday about the rise of right-wing media and the impact on the younger generation. 9 out of the 10 on this list are not extremely right-wing streamers and podcasters with even 1 or 2 who were exposed to be funded by Russia to push propaganda. We live in such an online world now, nobody is turning on ABC News. So many people rely on them for news.Β Β Β Hasan is the only person capable to get back the toxic young men to the democratic party. I fear Β 1
ClashAndBurn Posted November 8 Posted November 8 4 minutes ago, Arrows said: For 2028 (if there'll be one), I think Democrats probably need to be more left-leaning on all issues,Β exceptΒ immigration. Β My country has been through this. Far-right parties were on the rise, then the left wing parties started to adopt more strict immigration policies and the far-right has now died down again completely. One of the things that Kassi liked dragging Bernie for, other than his stance on gun ownership (as a Senator from a big hunting state Β ), was his being somewhat anti-immigration. Which, fair. But seems like a hollow criticism. Β The problem is that the public doesn't trust Democrats on immigration, so they'll get hard punished and rejected regardless. Their rightward shift will just get ignored, and I'm being 100% serious. Β Trump getting the bipartisan immigration bill thrown out was legitimately genius, because it denied the Democrats a win and forced them to defend policy that their base abhors.
shyboi Posted November 8 Posted November 8 43 minutes ago, skwonderfactory said: Welp, I just found out my future father-in-law voted for Trump Β probably 99% of people around you voted for him, i wouldn't even trust your partner or SP, think about itΒ Β
TROPICUM Posted November 8 Posted November 8 she should've said "we WILL go back!" but make it entirely about 2016 summer and milennial nostalgiaΒ landslide win i fear Β 1
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