RihRihGirrrl Posted November 8 Posted November 8 1 minute ago, ClashAndBurn said: Democrats still love Obama. They loved him so much, they went for the man who was his Vice President in massive numbers. They love him so much still that they would trip over themselves rushing to elect Michelle Obama in the hopes that First Gentleman Barack would be a shadow president making all the decisions for her from the background. Like... he's an undeniable celebrity and a kingmaker, even though all he managed to do was implement the Republican health insurance plan of Romneycare on a national level and collectively lose 1,000 downballot seats across federal, state, and municipal elections throughout his terms. Once Obamacare gets repealed in the next budget and Sonia Sotomayor drops dead from her type 1 diabetes, Elena Kagan will be the final remaining artifact of his legacy. They love Obama but he's such a clear rip-off of Obama that I truly can't see him connecting with people.....it's too forced
Cheers Posted November 8 Posted November 8 Ngl when you guys were talking about Shapiro I thought you were talking about Ben. How low we have fallen!
Relampago. Posted November 8 Posted November 8 Shapiro looks like a nerd and for that alone he will not win 4
RihRihGirrrl Posted November 8 Posted November 8 Just now, Relampago. said: Shapiro looks like a nerd and for that alone he will not win And that!....No charisma, no cool factor
Armani? Posted November 8 Posted November 8 Guys..... if I was a Republican I would definitely target Black Men. I mean they already are and the media is making it divisive in their community, but by a much much stronger degree They have Latino men voting for them which they will try to keep. They have White men. They just need one more major demographic and they have a pathway to govern for a lifetime like Steve Bannon said I hate this, **** We're like sitting ducks with everyone on the male side leaving
FameFatale Posted November 8 Posted November 8 48 minutes ago, CandyCoatedClouds said: A coworker at my job voted for the first time in his 30 years of living... for Trump. Before that he was a Bernie bro. I can imagine what lead him from the path of Bernie bro to Trump supporter. Donie O'Sullivan had a good piece on this type of thing. It's happens way more than you think. A lot of these Trump supporters now that were Bernie bros that got sucked into the propaganda of the right over time. 1 2
BOOMBAYAH Posted November 8 Posted November 8 The fact that Kamala ran without passing a primary is crazy. Even crazier is she and the Dems ran on honesty and democracy. Yeah, sorry I'm breaking out of the "We need to back Kamala no matter what mindset" rn and examining the reality shsjsjsh 1
ClashAndBurn Posted November 8 Posted November 8 9 minutes ago, Lil Mistee said: NGL idk much about Shapiro, isnt he popular in terms of support in his state He won an easy race against Doug Mastriano, who was an even bigger nutjob than Trump himself, and Dems have used his margin compared to Fetterman who was in a much tougher race against a snake oil salesman who was popular with suburban women who watch daytime television as proof positive that his brand of ultra-moderate ZioNazism is the direction the party must go in.
Relampago. Posted November 8 Posted November 8 1 minute ago, Armani? said: Guys..... if I was a Republican I would definitely target Black Men. I mean they already are and the media is making it divisive in their community, but by a much much stronger degree They have Latino men voting for them which they will try to keep. They have White men. They just need one more major demographic and they have a pathway to govern for a lifetime like Steve Bannon said I hate this, **** Like.. Republicans are so smart for going after Latinos, it was such an obvious weak spot for them back in the Obama days and look how they coalesced to get them under their fold. Whew. I don't really know how we undo the grasp they have on these people, but considering how quickly they left the Dems, I can see them coming back if the next Democratic nominee has a good image and a good message and the Republicans run JD Vance. 2
Wonderland Posted November 8 Posted November 8 5 minutes ago, MAKSIM said: We are one tweet away from Meghan McCain being named press secretary. It's honestly unbelievable how she's back in the corner of a man who said so much **** about her father. I would never forgive someone who said such things about my dad. There's "owning the libs" and then there's actually having an ounce of integrity while doing it
Ashley Banks Posted November 8 Posted November 8 3 minutes ago, MAKSIM said: And when you realize Obama is personally close to Shapiro. Oh it's Joever. I could see him working to clear the field for Shapiro in the primary like in 2016 The way I was a huge Bernie Bro back then who hated Hillary for being too centrist (although I still voted for her in the general) but now we'd be lucky for the Democrats to nominate someone with her policies in 2028 1
Baby Dancer Posted November 8 Posted November 8 The fact that we need a hot young white guy that's somehow on our side Or not, this election has blindsided the **** out of me. Maybe anyone likeable and wants it bad enough. Again, hope we'll be able to vote again because the dnc race is going to be wild....or just more handpicked establishment garbage. I think I might have to clock out....
DONTYELLATME Posted November 8 Posted November 8 Trump is popular, Republicans are not btw. Hispanic men can be won back, just need to focus on economic issues and actually be in their communities besides election time. That needs to be fixed NOW or they will get used to voting republican. 1 2
Thuggin Posted November 8 Posted November 8 3 minutes ago, Armani? said: Guys..... if I was a Republican I would definitely target Black Men. I mean they already are and the media is making it divisive in their community, but by a much much stronger degree They have Latino men voting for them which they will try to keep. They have White men. They just need one more major demographic and they have a pathway to govern for a lifetime like Steve Bannon said I hate this, **** We're like sitting ducks with everyone on the male side leaving And most white women will stay voting Republican so yeah we're definitely ******. Gen Alpha will only be worse on all fronts
Bloodflowers. Posted November 8 Posted November 8 8 minutes ago, Bloo said: Why are you exclusively concerned about the feelings of Black women specifically? Everyone's voices matter in this election. I think the feelings of Arab Americans who have lost family in Gaza also matter a great deal. I saw the mayor of Dearborn, MI speak about how he had a conversation with one Palestinian woman in Dearborn who had lost 70 loved ones in Gaza. A lot of people have feelings about this race and we need to absorb all of that. As for Kamala, Kamala said with her full chest she would do the same thing Biden was doing on Gaza. She would continue to arm them and she refused to say she supported a weapons embargo. If it cost her the election (which it does look like it cost her at least Michigan), then that is ultimately on her. Wondering about what was secretly in her head is a waste of time. If she was seriously committed to it, then she would have said it. Politicians usually say a lot of things they don't follow up on to get elected (e.g., Biden saying he'd fight for $15 minimum wage or Obama saying codifying Roe v. Wade into law was his #1 priority if elected). The fact she didn't say she supported a weapons embargo is telling that she never supported it, not even in a hypothetical pandering way. She was against it. Playing pretend that because she's a Black lady she automatically is going to be better on the issue is in a way a form of racism. People are not bound to have a certain ideaology because of the color of their skin. I don't mean to use the term "racism" in this conversation to say you are a bad person or anything of the sort. But it's important to drop assumptions about a person's beliefs based on their race—even if you mean these assumptions are coming from assuming the best in them. Kamala has showed us her hand on this issue and it is time to move on and look forward. Kamala trying to both-sides on Israel and Palestine only made both of those group voters feel betrayed and like they aren't being cut a great deal, meanwhile Trump offered he would stop wars so Palestinians would stop getting slaughtered while also being a full-blown Israel supporter and won both communities. Oh, the irony of doing "both sides" message unintentionally. Now how/will Trump even do that remains to be seen if it was all smoke and mirrors on his part, but his marketing was well executed. Voters heard we wants to stop wars and bring peace, and that was convicing enough for a lot of swing voters over Kamala's business as usual policy answers.
MAKSIM Posted November 8 Posted November 8 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Communion said: The democratic base in huge swaths stayed home cause the candidate given to them was a tough-on-crime cop genocider who promoted herself with public enemy #1 Dick Cheney's daughter, who they first rejected all the way back in 2019 when she was so unpopular she couldn't even make it to 8th place in a Democratic primary. Ironically, the person on the left has won millions more black voters across democratic primaries than the person on the right did in a primary and seemingly ever will: Like I get doubts and hesitations that economic messaging can prevail over corporate interests and giving into doomerism that politics is ******, but the snarky kind "lol not gonna happen" nonchalance is so... privileged. And feels confusing given the past 6 months of mocking and sneering down towards those torn up over genocide. Y'all claimed it was the election of our lives and now y'all can't even be bothered to fake concern on to pick up the pieces after the elites you said to trust blew it? You have me mistaken as someone that loves Kamala. The uncommitted movement made their voice heard. They said "we're withholding our votes and because of that, you will lose." And now Kamala lost and the leverage is gone. There's nothing more they can gain as there is nothing more the Democratic Party can lose. Sure, a primary candidate in 2028 might try to court uncommitted movement voters, but will the South Carolina Democratic Party base be prioritizing that in 2028? We will see. You can continue to write essays on here, but the democratic base will pick someone that you hate, as they did in 2016, as they did in 2020, as they would have done in 2024 even with an open primary. In the end, you can theorize and be as academic as you want. Deep down, you know you will not be getting what you want come 2028, and that's where your frustration should lie, not with me. Edited November 8 by MAKSIM
Bethenny Frankel Posted November 8 Posted November 8 Shapiro could never get enough support to win the presidency and Beshear is too boring. Ossoff would have a chance honestly since he's from the South and young enough to get the youth vote. An ideal candidate for me would be Whitmer but Americans hate women so she's not happening unless it's a VP pick. 1 1
ClashAndBurn Posted November 8 Posted November 8 5 minutes ago, RihRihGirrrl said: They love Obama but he's such a clear rip-off of Obama that I truly can't see him connecting with people.....it's too forced Pete Buttigieg's performance in Iowa and New Hampshire is proof that white liberals will flock to a bad Elvis Obama impersonator when given the chance. South Carolina voters were only not sold on him because of two reasons: 1. His homosexuality is a turnoff for Black Baptist ConservaDems, and will always be a roadblock for him ever having a pathway (which is why Jared Polis would also flop) 2. They were already hard committed to Obama's VP 1
Cruel Summer Posted November 8 Posted November 8 1 minute ago, Baby Dancer said: The fact that we need a hot young white guy that's somehow on our side Or not, this election has blindsided the **** out of me. Maybe anyone likeable and wants it bad enough. Again, hope we'll be able to vote again because the dnc race is going to be wild....or just more handpicked establishment garbage. I think I might have to clock out.... Honestly, work on a state level to un-**** the Democratic primary process needs to begin like yesterday, to lay the groundwork for an actually good candidate to rise in 2028. And I'm almost just talking out my ass here because I don't even know what that entails, I just know we can't afford another primary that feels like 2016 and 2020 and results in a candidate that wrecks the party's chances. 1
FameFatale Posted November 8 Posted November 8 Hearing my aunt praising to close the dept of education while she's actually a teacher. Oh - 9
Wonderland Posted November 8 Posted November 8 If AOC does a rebrand and goes back to her anti-establishment ways in opposition I could see a path for her. I'd back her 100% if she got extra pissed and primaried Kathy Hochul for governor
Cruel Summer Posted November 8 Posted November 8 Just now, Wonderland said: If AOC does a rebrand and goes back to her anti-establishment ways in opposition I could see a path for her. I'd back her 100% if she got extra pissed and primaried Kathy Hochul for governor I've honestly always been on team "if AOC gets back to her first campaign roots and just lets it all loose on the party establishment I'd move across the country to work for her campaign until my fingers bleed"
Relampago. Posted November 8 Posted November 8 I don't think people care about race as much as y'all think, we don't really NEED a white person. I think the race talk has to die out too.. I think people are starting to see it as more divisive than helpful even in POC circles. …We might need a man though. 1
Lil Mistee Posted November 8 Posted November 8 6 minutes ago, Bethenny Frankel said: Shapiro could never get enough support to win the presidency and Beshear is too boring. Ossoff would have a chance honestly since he's from the South and young enough to get the youth vote. An ideal candidate for me would be Whitmer but Americans hate women so she's not happening unless it's a VP pick. Big gretch>beshear>ossoff
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