Lil Mistee Posted November 8 Posted November 8 1 minute ago, RihRihGirrrl said: Sorry...he lacks charisma He can take classes! 3
Bewitched Posted November 8 Posted November 8 2 minutes ago, BOOMBAYAH said: The saddest thing for me about this loss is that the party won't learn anything. Shapiro 2028: If he wins, he'll likely flop again after four years, leading to a MAGA resurgence. If he loses, we're probably looking at a Tory-style conservative reign that could take over a decade to break. Damn, maybe I'm being radicalised right now… We were all so afraid we'd get no more elections, but little did we know we'd keep having them—and Democrats would keep losing. Kamala's loss woke it up, for me. Shapiro? Like Ben Shapiro?
Cheers Posted November 8 Posted November 8 4 minutes ago, RihRihGirrrl said: The Dems need a charismatic outsider who can connect with working class men. I don't see anyone in the current field who fits the bill. They need to find a young charismatic man with a country twang. The only way we can get America behind liberal views at the moment. Imagine Bernie but attractive and southern 1
RihRihGirrrl Posted November 8 Posted November 8 1 minute ago, Cheers said: They need to find a young charismatic man with a country twang. The only way we can get America behind liberal views at the moment. Imagine Bernie but attractive and southern Or a younger, more attractive Tim Walz
Communion Posted November 8 Posted November 8 (edited) 23 minutes ago, MAKSIM said: This forum is out of touch with what the democratic base wants *Raven Baxter style vision* On 8/22/2024 at 12:55 PM, MAKSIM said: We will find out in 75 days, but the whole uncommitted movement strategy is weird because the premise is that Kamala Harris can't win Michigan without uncommitted voters supporting her….but what if she does win it? I genuinely wonder what walks of life bring someone to be such a partisan over a "save democracy" oriented party yet also be privileged enough to both downplay the now-proven-as-fact risk that her policies could lose her the election AND see the kind of historic loss that just happened and be so indifferent to it and whatever follows next. Wrong about how voters felt about the genocide. Wrong about how voters felt about the economy. Wrong about how voters felt about Biden-Harris. It's double-insulting knowing how important of an issue Ukraine is for you and yet you went out of your way to belittle those whose heart broke in the same way for Palestine and yet these were in much ways some of the very people who could have played a meaningful difference in stopping your candidate - the candidate of the "Dem base" - from getting whacked. Edited November 8 by Communion 2 1
BOOMBAYAH Posted November 8 Posted November 8 2 minutes ago, Bewitched said: Shapiro? Like Ben Shapiro? Josh Shapiro.
RihRihGirrrl Posted November 8 Posted November 8 2 minutes ago, Lil Mistee said: He can take classes! He is too far off sis 😩
MAKSIM Posted November 8 Posted November 8 Just now, RihRihGirrrl said: Or a younger, more attractive Tim Walz 2 minutes ago, Cheers said: They need to find a young charismatic man with a country twang. The only way we can get America behind liberal views at the moment. Imagine Bernie but attractive and southern I know someone who would fit the bill. Jimmy Carter is still eligible since he never served a second term. Time to get him out of hospice. 4
Baby Dancer Posted November 8 Posted November 8 I feel hopelessly black pilled and anti-establishment right now so I've been listening to Ethel Cain and trying to find more critical voices. Kinda threatened by this Hasan guys masc4masc energy but y'all seem to like him. Is he for the gays? 1
Lil Mistee Posted November 8 Posted November 8 1 minute ago, RihRihGirrrl said: He is too far off sis 😩 I love him tho and kentuckians (did I type that right?) do too!
Wonderland Posted November 8 Posted November 8 Just now, Baby Dancer said: I feel hopelessly black pilled and anti-establishment right now so I've been listening to Ethel Cain and trying to find more critical voices. Kinda threatened by this Hasan guys masc4masc energy but y'all seem to like him. Is he for the gays? He teases the gays all the time nnn he's very for them
Relampago. Posted November 8 Posted November 8 Tbh I absolutely see Shapiro stomping in 2028 because Dems are really dumb and he'd be the worst option, so naturally he will be chosen Can't wait to see the Republicans take 70% of the youth vote next time 1 2
MAKSIM Posted November 8 Posted November 8 2 minutes ago, Communion said: *Raven Baxter style vision* I genuinely wonder what walks of life bring someone to be such a partisan over a "save democracy" oriented party yet also be privileged enough to both downplay the now-proven-as-fact risk that her policies could lose her the election AND see the kind of historic loss that just happened and be so indifferent to it and whatever follows next. Wrong about how voters felt about the genocide. Wrong about how voters felt about the economy. Wrong about how voters felt about Biden-Harris. It's double-insulting knowing how important of an issue Ukraine is for you and yet you went out of your way to belittle those whose heart broke in the same way for Palestine and yet these were in much ways some of the very people who could have played a meaningful difference in stopping your candidate - the candidate of the "Dem base" - from getting whacked. You should go read the democratic bases people's actual opinion's on the uncommitted movement. They don't care. That's why I said the strategy was interesting.
Lil Mistee Posted November 8 Posted November 8 NGL idk much about Shapiro, isnt he popular in terms of support in his state
Cheers Posted November 8 Posted November 8 Josh Shapiro? Andy Beshear? Hasan??? Are these really our options rn 1
Relampago. Posted November 8 Posted November 8 1 hour ago, Lightbringer007 said: very interesting insight lmao This is… exactly it though Let's be honest, misogyny amongst Latinos had a non-zero affect on the outcome, but that's not the big story here. Honestly, the Dems campaign on being trustworthy and sane, but then can't back that up with actually sticking to promises or being straightforward. Like it or not, Kamala's word salad hurt her, one because she's a woman who's held to higher standards but two, she's a democrat who is being held to higher standards. Republicans campaign as the wolves who are going to eat you but will save you a quick buck. People know what they're signing up for. I don't think people know what the **** the Dems stand for anymore, so they're not going to bother voting for them. If the Dems want to be the party of morality, they're going to have to stop lying and speak candidly to the American public. They have to stop trying to play both sides, because that's what puts them into this spot. 7
Foreigner Posted November 8 Posted November 8 36 minutes ago, BOOMBAYAH said: I know we know Gen Z is becoming more right, but seeing it visually like this Can't wait to see their conscriptions to fight Iran 1
RihRihGirrrl Posted November 8 Posted November 8 15 minutes ago, Bewitched said: Welp...they're already getting started before Day 1
Cheers Posted November 8 Posted November 8 At least no one is mentioning JFK's wannabe twink grandson 1 1
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted November 8 ATRL Moderator Posted November 8 1 hour ago, anti-bitch said: It's not about what I want, but what Black women wanted. And yeah, it's pointless to blame. But if you see them being angry and upset, it's valid. And if anyone cares about Palestine, it's also Black women. And no, I don't wanna sound like I speak on their behalf, it's just the reaction I've seen online the past two days. Again, I hope everybody survives. I just can't escape the feeling that would have been more likely if Kamala was the President. How could she not as a mixed Black woman feel the suffering of the Gazan women and children in her bones? Maybe she did, but she just couldn't say it like that for whatever reason. I know it's too late now, but I wish she'd say it now. Why are you exclusively concerned about the feelings of Black women specifically? Everyone’s voices matter in this election. I think the feelings of Arab Americans who have lost family in Gaza also matter a great deal. I saw the mayor of Dearborn, MI speak about how he had a conversation with one Palestinian woman in Dearborn who had lost 70 loved ones in Gaza. A lot of people have feelings about this race and we need to absorb all of that. As for Kamala, Kamala said with her full chest she would do the same thing Biden was doing on Gaza. She would continue to arm them and she refused to say she supported a weapons embargo. If it cost her the election (which it does look like it cost her at least Michigan), then that is ultimately on her. Wondering about what was secretly in her head is a waste of time. If she was seriously committed to it, then she would have said it. Politicians usually say a lot of things they don’t follow up on to get elected (e.g., Biden saying he’d fight for $15 minimum wage or Obama saying codifying Roe v. Wade into law was his #1 priority if elected). The fact she didn’t say she supported a weapons embargo is telling that she never supported it, not even in a hypothetical pandering way. She was against it. Playing pretend that because she’s a Black lady she automatically is going to be better on the issue is in a way a form of racism. People are not bound to have a certain ideaology because of the color of their skin. I don’t mean to use the term “racism” in this conversation to say you are a bad person or anything of the sort. But it’s important to drop assumptions about a person’s beliefs based on their race—even if you mean these assumptions are coming from assuming the best in them. Kamala has showed us her hand on this issue and it is time to move on and look forward. 2 2
ClashAndBurn Posted November 8 Posted November 8 5 minutes ago, RihRihGirrrl said: I'm hoping there's a fresh face that emerges within the next 2 years. Shapiro comes off as an Obama rip-off with no authenticity and frankly too lofty in his rhetoric in this political climate. Democrats still love Obama. They loved him so much, they went for the man who was his Vice President in massive numbers. They love him so much still that they would trip over themselves rushing to elect Michelle Obama in the hopes that First Gentleman Barack would be a shadow president making all the decisions for her from the background. Like... he's an undeniable celebrity and a kingmaker, even though all he managed to do was implement the Republican health insurance plan of Romneycare on a national level and collectively lose 1,000 downballot seats across federal, state, and municipal elections throughout his terms. Once Obamacare gets repealed in the next budget and Sonia Sotomayor drops dead from her type 1 diabetes, Elena Kagan will be the final remaining artifact of his legacy. 1
Relampago. Posted November 8 Posted November 8 6 minutes ago, Lil Mistee said: NGL idk much about Shapiro, isnt he popular in terms of support in his state He covered up the murder of a woman in his home state, let's just leave it at that
MAKSIM Posted November 8 Posted November 8 We are one tweet away from Meghan McCain being named press secretary. 5
Communion Posted November 8 Posted November 8 (edited) 12 minutes ago, MAKSIM said: You should go read the democratic bases people's actual opinion's on the uncommitted movement. The democratic base in huge swaths stayed home cause the candidate given to them was a tough-on-crime cop genocider who promoted herself with public enemy #1 Dick Cheney's daughter, who they first rejected all the way back in 2019 when she was so unpopular she couldn't even make it to 8th place in a Democratic primary. Ironically, the person on the left has won millions more black voters across democratic primaries than the person on the right did in a primary and seemingly ever will: Like I get doubts and hesitations that economic messaging can prevail over corporate interests and giving into doomerism that politics is ******, but the snarky kind "lol not gonna happen" nonchalance is so... privileged. And feels confusing given the past 6 months of mocking and sneering down towards those torn up over genocide. Y'all claimed it was the election of our lives and now y'all can't even be bothered to fake concern on how to pick up the pieces after the elites you said to trust blew it? People had to ignore genocide to "save democracy" but addressing wages to win back voters gets a snicker and a shrug? Edited November 8 by Communion 1
MAKSIM Posted November 8 Posted November 8 2 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: Democrats still love Obama. They loved him so much, they went for the man who was his Vice President in massive numbers. They love him so much still that they would trip over themselves rushing to elect Michelle Obama in the hopes that First Gentleman Barack would be a shadow president making all the decisions for her from the background. Like... he's an undeniable celebrity and a kingmaker, even though all he managed to do was implement the Republican health insurance plan of Romneycare on a national level and collectively lose 1,000 downballot seats across federal, state, and municipal elections throughout his terms. Once Obamacare gets repealed in the next budget and Sonia Sotomayor drops dead from her type 1 diabetes, Elena Kagan will be the final remaining artifact of his legacy. And when you realize Obama is personally close to Shapiro. Oh it's Joever. 1
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