Cruel Summer Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Why are we talking about Walz at all tbh? Genuinely, unironically, Bernie would be a better 2028 candidate than Walz and he'd still lose by 15 points because of his, um, profound age 1 1
MP3 Posted November 7 Posted November 7 29 minutes ago, mercurialworld said: @MP3 i have to say you ate your prediction, although i wish it weren't reality Thanks, I really had a feeling it would turn out exactly like that, but I could have been wrong too 1
NewStanner Posted November 7 Posted November 7 2 minutes ago, RedOne said: I really hope this is real. Those who voted for him all need to suffer and maybe they will finally learn a thing or two. This, MAGA tears always make me happy 4
ClashAndBurn Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Just now, YellowRibbon said: And you know what, a smaller coalition is actually more easy to manage. Big tent political parties can give you one or two victory max before the interests of the members of that coalition stop overlapping... Society is evolving (or devolving, depending on how you look at things) and things like this are meant to happen. Coalition shrinking is exactly why Kamala lost to Trump. If the tent gets smaller, there's no way they manage to break the 70million ceiling ever again, whereas Republicans have organically expanded their coalition to easily do so even with a weak campaign where all the donations were paying Trump's legal expenses instead of campaign ads. If you want the Dem voter base to be a niche coalition of 40 million voters while republicans are romping with 75 million then Good Luck, Babe! 2
Arrows Posted November 7 Posted November 7 10 minutes ago, MAKSIM said: I'm on mobile, but responding to provide later. Basically tons of black content creators are saying Arab Americans are on their own now. We're enjoying our Starbucks, good luck under trump, don't complain, your leverage is over, etc. these posts have 500k+ likes and lots of comment engagement . Gosh people are DUMB
modeblock Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Just now, RedOne said: I really hope this is real. Those who voted for him all need to suffer and maybe they will finally learn a thing or two. Before the electorate learns any lesson from this abject failure, the dems MUST accept that catering to never trumpers and abandoning important social issues, like immigration and trans rights, is a LOOOOOSINGGGGG strategy. POOR economic policies POOOR results. 4 1
Cruel Summer Posted November 7 Posted November 7 5 minutes ago, Chiidish said: Except they didn't let Walz be himself. They completely removed his voice after he carried really effective messaging with the "weird" arguments that even the right grifting media picked up. Then after than they shut him down and made him be a Kamala parrot for the debate, then effectively ran Liz Cheney as the new VP. im not asking him to be in office. But they need to get his messaging down. They need to take the Midwest back. Okay this is a good point, though, maybe I take it back a lil
wastedpotential Posted November 7 Posted November 7 4 minutes ago, YellowRibbon said: And you know what, a smaller coalition is actually more easy to manage. Big tent political parties can give you one or two victory max before the interests of the members of that coalition stop overlapping... Society is evolving (or devolving, depending on how you look at things) and things like this are meant to happen. If we accidentally evolve our way out of the two party system I'll be THRILLED, but I can't say I'm hopeful 1
Virgos Groove Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Heartbreaking: The Director of the Worst Movie You've Ever Seen Just Made a Great Point 5
wastedpotential Posted November 7 Posted November 7 2 minutes ago, Cruel Summer said: Why are we talking about Walz at all tbh? Genuinely, unironically, Bernie would be a better 2028 candidate than Walz and he'd still lose by 15 points because of his, um, profound age Well actually the most recent trends seem to indicate that Americans love electing white men born during the mid 1940s (and no one else), so I'd say Bernie squarely fits the pattern
ClashAndBurn Posted November 7 Posted November 7 @Lil Mistee looks like the knives are out for Miss AOC I knew it tbh! 1 3
Redstreak Posted November 7 Posted November 7 21 minutes ago, superglowy said: And that would be different to how you are now in what way? I don't really understand why you aren't happy right now. Kamala wanted republicans in the cabinet and now you're getting them, didn't you vote for that? 4
MP3 Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Can I be in the banner for predicting the results 100% correctly? It's my moment of glory 3
jakeisphat Posted November 7 Posted November 7 I just know Pete and Chasten were euphoric on election night knowing he'd now have an opening to run in 2028. I swear the DNC needs to make it apparent they're rejecting him, Newsom, and Shapiro long before the primaries cuz girl... 2 2
Thuggin Posted November 7 Posted November 7 6 minutes ago, wastedpotential said: The way there've been videos and tweets (a few of which have been shared in here) of people specifically asking that they no longer be referred to by the POC label because they don't want to be associated with x other minority group The Dem coalition is collapsing as we speak It's going to be Black voters, and whatever percentage of 40 y/o+ college educated suburban white women have gay friends stuck holding the line Tbh this is what's so different about 2016. 2016 was a matter of certain demos within the Democratic base simply not turning out only to not make that mistake again in 2018 and 2020. 2024 is a massive shift right in some of those demos. And >$100k and <$100k completely flipping for whom they voted. And that's why I don't foresee some massive Resistance era a la 2017. Republicans successfully completely fractured the Democratic Party. They'll probably tone down the anti-Latino rhetoric (except about illegal immigrants) and anti-women rhetoric (now that Roe is already defeated) and focus their ire on Black and LGBT people who maintained their loyalty to the Democratic Party. And it'll be easier to unify everyone else under the Republican coalition, provided Trump simply doesn't do that much to **** up the economy he's inheriting. Meanwhile the Democratic will have to do some soul searching. What party will they become? What values will they have? Which constituencies will they serve? What lost them this election and what could have changed that? But those are not things that can be ironed out and established in just a couple years. Again, as long as Republicans temper Trump's worst impulses and he doesn't **** up the economy for the people who voted for him, I could see Republicans having even greater blowouts in the next few elections and the pendulum not swinging back until the 2030s. 4 1
wastedpotential Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Just now, ClashAndBurn said: @Lil Mistee looks like the knives are out for Miss AOC I knew it tbh! I always love it when congressional aides locked in a petty squabble have a rap beef deuxmoi moment, like please do let us know you think AOC is a toxic hag and your girl is the real deal 3
americanlife Posted November 7 Posted November 7 (edited) 3 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: @Lil Mistee looks like the knives are out for Miss AOC I knew it tbh! They are threatened by her. Shes been a little irrelevant over the past few years but she's gonna have a huge comeback in this Trump admin. She is the future. Edited November 7 by americanlife 1 1
superglowy Posted November 7 Posted November 7 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Redstreak said: I don't really understand why you aren't happy right now. Kamala wanted republicans in the cabinet and now you're getting them, didn't you vote for that? I guess an administration with a target on the head of LGBTQ+ people, especially Trans kids being swept into power is kinda killing my buzz. I know it's hard for you to understand as maintaining the small protections LGBTQ+ people had in America doesn't seem to cross your mind. Edited November 7 by superglowy
wastedpotential Posted November 7 Posted November 7 1 minute ago, Thuggin said: Tbh this is what's so different about 2016. 2016 was a matter of certain demos within the Democratic base simply not turning out only to not make that mistake again in 2018 and 2020. 2024 is a massive shift right in some of those demos. And >$100k and <$100k completely flipping for whom they voted. And that's why I don't foresee some massive Resistance era a la 2017. Republicans successfully completely fractured the Democratic Party. They'll probably tone down the anti-Latino rhetoric (except about illegal immigrants) and anti-women rhetoric (now that Roe is already defeated) and focus their ire on Black and LGBT people who maintained their loyalty to the Democratic Party. And it'll be easier to unify everyone else under the Republican coalition, provided Trump simply doesn't do that much to **** up the economy he's inheriting. Meanwhile the Democratic will have to do some soul searching. What party will they become? What values will they have? Which constituencies will they serve? What lost them this election and what could have changed that? But those are not things that can be ironed out and established in just a couple years. Again, as long as Republicans temper Trump's worst impulses and he doesn't **** up the economy for the people who voted for him, I could see Republicans having even greater blowouts in the next few elections and the pendulum not swinging back until the 2030s. However the dust ends up settling on the Seventh Party System or whatever you want to call it, the most astonishing thing to me is how thoroughly Trump has dictated the factional movements. He jettisoned the war hawks (read: "National Security" Republicans) and Reaganite Business Coalition Republicans because they wouldn't fall in line, and managed to pick up the majority of the wwc vote (on account of the Democrats pretending they didn't exist post-NAFTA, but I digress) and also somehow managed to cater to Latino voters and racist anti-immigrant voters at the same time, with the same policies Though I'm loathe to admit it, Trump has been and will continue to be as foundational to mid 21st century US politics as Reagan, FDR, Lincoln, Jackson, and Jefferson were before during their eras 5 2
Thuggin Posted November 7 Posted November 7 More than anything, I think I'm mourning what country we could have been. It was nice to feel part of a new generation that had hope things could be better. But now knowing we're doomed to four more years of the same Republican President, a Senate that won't be blue until who the **** knows when, a conservative Supreme Court majority for the rest of our lives, and massive shifts in right wing allegiance…knowing that none of this will change while I'm still young and I simply have to hope we can force the brakes on their destruction until future generations way down the line turn things around, it's depressing. I thought the youth was coming to save us, but instead, people of all ages and demographics saw what was being offered by both candidates and decided they actually couldn't imagine a better world than 2017. 3 2
BOOMBAYAH Posted November 7 Posted November 7 (edited) 9 minutes ago, americanlife said: They are threatened by her. Shes been a little irrelevant over the past few years but she's gonna have a huge comeback in this Trump admin. She is the future. AOC is on the minds of Republicans 24/7 and is loved by champagne Democrats (late-night hosts, magazine editors, etc.) and the online left (most of the time). She is way too powerful and way too public to be disregarded. How Dems don't see how isolating one of their biggest political stars is stupid is crazy to me—but then again, it's the same reason why they can't have mainstream Dems talk to Hasan (who is also far from perfect, I know, but the biggest leftist voice in America, alas). They do not want to be challenged and instead want to mimic the propaganda machines and puppets that the right have, which is literally the worst idea ever when people already view the party as establishment, untrustworthy, incompetent, and unwilling to evolve. Edited November 7 by BOOMBAYAH 2
NewStanner Posted November 7 Posted November 7 12 minutes ago, Virgos Groove said: Heartbreaking: The Director of the Worst Movie You've Ever Seen Just Made a Great Point I saw "worst" and "director" in the same sentence and immediately thought of Todd at first 2
Thickorita Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Maybe it's just the TikTok brainrot getting to me but I kinda buy the Joe/Jill hating Kamala conspiracy
rzal Posted November 7 Posted November 7 29 minutes ago, Rotunda said: If I find some good faith takes I'll drop the links, but everything online so far is about what you'd expect (Black creators saying "Yeah I'm checking out" of the Israel-Palestine issue and calling out Arab-American creators who encouraged protest votes or sitting out). A lot of it is just a continuation of what's been going on for months. The right voted for a dictator while the left was fighting for months, telling people not to vote and calling each other genocide supporters. 5
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