superglowy Posted November 7 Posted November 7 15 minutes ago, RihRihGirrrl said: Damn I'm kinda shocked.....I just learned that both my sisters (registered democrats) who live in Nevada voted for Trump and all of the reasons they gave were crazy conspiracy theories and cultural wars: --They don't want the government forcing their kids to have to share bathrooms with trans kids --They don't agree with abortion in the 3rd trimester --They don't want the government mandating covid vaccines I honestly believe that 'the economy' is being used as a cover for some voters and we have a serious problem on our hands as democrats. How the hell are we going to effectively push back on the fear mongering around culture issues?? They'll flip the moment the pain of a Trump presidency affects them. Wether it's the inflation or potential Recession or his tariffs hitting their purse, once the shitty water starts seeping under their door.
ATRL Moderator madonnas Posted November 7 ATRL Moderator Posted November 7 3 minutes ago, gagalips said: Trump will give Israel the clear to wipe Gaza off the face of the planet, for real. We are talking Hiroshima vibes. But slaaaayyyyy to all these keyboard "activists" sitting out, voting for trump or stein. Literal morons. Dems didn’t lose because of them. Dont fall for it!! 3 3
BOOMBAYAH Posted November 7 Posted November 7 6 minutes ago, gagalips said: Trump will give Israel the clear to wipe Gaza off the face of the planet, for real. We are talking Hiroshima vibes. But slaaaayyyyy to all these keyboard "activists" sitting out, voting for trump or stein. Literal morons. If all of the Jill Stein/third-party votes had gone to Kamala, she still would have lost. Yes, many people also abstained from voting in protest, but America is a democracy (a key message for Democrats in this campaign), and in a democracy, you need to earn votes. Kamala's loss was far more due to the Democratic Party's failure in messaging and responsiveness to people's concerns than to any 'own the libs' sentiment.
Bamboo Posted November 7 Posted November 7 No one in 2004 thought Obama would win in 2008 after that Dem trouncing. No one in 2012 thought Trump would win in 2016. I think if Dems come into 2028 with one of the obvious suspects (Newsome, Buttigieg, Shapiro) they're going to get their **** rocked even harder than they did this year. Even if they win after a deeply unpopular Trump presidency, we will end up in the same position in 2030 and 2032 where that win will not be good enough to sustain any meaningful change. 2028 Dem Candidate needs to be someone we've never heard about or someone with no obvious trajectory to the presidency. This was the dying breath of the Obama Democrats. 11
ATRL Moderator madonnas Posted November 7 ATRL Moderator Posted November 7 The democrats do not need to abandon trans people and racial minorities to get a W again. They simply need to have an economic message that unites the working class and tweak their messaging on social issues (and not throw people under the bus). 9 2
Communion Posted November 7 Posted November 7 7 minutes ago, gagalips said: Trump will give Israel the clear to wipe Gaza off the face of the planet, for real. We are talking Hiroshima vibes. But slaaaayyyyy to all these keyboard "activists" sitting out, voting for trump or stein. Literal morons. The average defector this election was a Latino man in his mid 20s who thought Kamala was lame and bought into the right's claim she was bad on the economy because her dumb ass ran on crypto and couldn't say what dollar value she thought the minimum wage should be. Your posts shows a complete ignorance to any factual reality of politics and who votes for who. 1 2
ClashAndBurn Posted November 7 Posted November 7 "The anti-Semitism of the left really cost Kamala!" 1
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted November 7 ATRL Moderator Posted November 7 8 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: Didn't Matt Bevin lose merely because of a fluke? He pushed back on teacher's unions one year too early imo. He would have won big if COVID lockdowns and all-time high anti-teacher sentiments were happening while he was up for reelection imo. And also… Beshear still needed his family name to get over the finish line. Any other Democrat still probably would've flopped I mean, it's impossible to say. But, Bevin was never popular. Back when I lived in KY, I knew lifelong Republicans that hated him pretty quickly. He became a statewide pariah shortly after he got elected. I don't have a crystal ball to say one way or the other in a hypothetical scenario where he didn't bash teacher unions. But Kentucky is more blue at the local level than it is for presidential races, so it's hard to say with certainty Bevin was set to win outside of a unique context.
anti-bitch Posted November 7 Posted November 7 5 minutes ago, XDNA said: A lot of conservative women also feel threatened by trans/gays because they think we're after their men. Lowkey... we are. 7
ClashAndBurn Posted November 7 Posted November 7 1 minute ago, madonnas said: The democrats do not need to abandon trans people and racial minorities to get a W again. They simply need to have an economic message that unites the working class and tweak their messaging on social issues (and not throw people under the bus). They do not need to. But they will. Morning Joe already said "they/them pronouns" are why she lost, and they're the most influential show that Beltway democrats watch. Expect a triple down on Israel support as well. Democrats won't protest the mass death and destruction of Gaza. If anything they'll encourage it in their misguided quest for revenge against university campus protesters
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted November 7 ATRL Moderator Posted November 7 6 minutes ago, XDNA said: I think a lot of people here are in denial about how much people shifted on LGBTQ/trans issues. A lot of conservative women also feel threatened by trans/gays because they think we're after their men. When Democrats cede more ground on trans issues, then of course more people are going to believe it is an issue. This is why so many people were pissed about Kamala's response to the trans question. There are too many instances to ignore of Democrats in red states that win when they don't shy away from the trans question and dismiss it outright versus Democrats that cater to right-wing framing and lose. 1
superglowy Posted November 7 Posted November 7 1 minute ago, anti-***** said: Lowkey... we are. A Conservative Man does not deserve b.ussy, let's be clear on that.
ATRL Moderator madonnas Posted November 7 ATRL Moderator Posted November 7 2 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: They do not need to. But they will. Morning Joe already said "they/them pronouns" are why she lost, and they're the most influential show that Beltway democrats watch. Expect a triple down on Israel support as well. Democrats won't protest the mass death and destruction of Gaza. If anything they'll encourage it in their misguided quest for revenge against university campus protesters Yeah even the “I’ll follow the law” answer was needlessly callous to trans people. Basically, it concedes that Trump might be a liiiitle right about this trans topic and society has gone too far (not something I believe fyi but it’s what the framing / context suggests) 1
BOOMBAYAH Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Do we all agree—no more celebrities at rallies or playing a significant role in the 2028 campaign? Kamala inviting celebrities to rallies, when half of America (and likely 90% of uneducated white America) probably believed they were all in a sex-trafficking cult led by Diddy, must have hurt her at least a little. 3
Gaia Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Just now, BOOMBAYAH said: Do we all agree—no more celebrities at rallies or playing a significant role in the 2028 campaign? Kamala inviting celebrities to rallies, when half of America (and likely 90% of uneducated white America) probably believed they were all in a sex-trafficking cult led by Diddy, must have hurt her at least a little. Trump did the exact same thing… it has no relevance.
Jay07 Posted November 7 Posted November 7 I don't know... people keep saying it's the economy but Trump got about the same votes in 2024 as he did in 2020 which means those people are loyalists to an insane authoritarian felon. I don't know how you come back from that other than exciting your own base, somehow. 3
Virgos Groove Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Biden should end the Cuban embargo as revenge for those Florida results. 5
Thuggin Posted November 7 Posted November 7 9 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: They do not need to. But they will. Morning Joe already said "they/them pronouns" are why she lost, and they're the most influential show that Beltway democrats watch. Expect a triple down on Israel support as well. Democrats won't protest the mass death and destruction of Gaza. If anything they'll encourage it in their misguided quest for revenge against university campus protesters And again, "they/them" pronouns or LGBT issues were not a focus of Kamala's campaign. So what do partisan Dem pundits want? Do they want simply no mention of those things on social media or elsewhere period? Gay and trans people to just go away because our existence is annoying and inconvenient to people? I will never apologize for defending myself and the brothers and sisters in our community because it's inconvenient to people who want power. More division is not how we collectively win. I fully expect Democrats to "moderate" on our issues which won't even be ignoring us but rather attacking us, and maybe that will buy them some votes, who knows, but we're not going away. Our mere existence is resistance to the people who hate us, and we should never tone down or reward them with invisibility. Conceding only helps their cause, and that strategy is never how civil liberties have been won. 4 1
GraceRandolph Posted November 7 Posted November 7 3 minutes ago, BOOMBAYAH said: Do we all agree—no more celebrities at rallies or playing a significant role in the 2028 campaign? Kamala inviting celebrities to rallies, when half of America (and likely 90% of uneducated white America) probably believed they were all in a sex-trafficking cult led by Diddy, must have hurt her at least a little. Maybe Enya for Marianne
ClashAndBurn Posted November 7 Posted November 7 2 minutes ago, Thuggin said: And again, "they/them" pronouns or LGBT issues were not a focus of Kamala's campaign. So what do partisan Dem pundits want? Do they want simply no mention of those things on social media or elsewhere period? Gay and trans people to just go away because our existence is annoying and inconvenient to people? I will never apologize for defending myself and the brothers and sisters in our community because it's inconvenient to people who want power. More division is not how we collectively win. I fully expect Democrats to "moderate" on our issues which won't even be ignoring us but rather attacking us, and maybe that will buy them some votes, who knows, but we're not going away. Our mere existence is resistance to the people who hate us, and we should never tone down or reward them with invisibility. Conceding only helps their cause, and that strategy is never how civil liberties have been won. I agree that we are not the cause but that's exactly the thing. We are the scapegoat. We are being blamed explicitly for Democrats losing the working class whites and Latinos. Latinx is also being blamed when nobody has used that word in YEARS. The last time I even remember it even being used and not in the context of everyone complaining about the toxicity of the word was the Pulse Nightclub shooting because the massacre happened on Latinx Night.
Ghiles Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Brianna Wu is a massively annoying dumbass Can she please disappear now 4 3
FameFatale Posted November 7 Posted November 7 23 minutes ago, Lightbringer007 said: His oldest one making the faces drug him on tiktok a few years ago 3
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