Thuggin Posted November 7 Posted November 7 11 minutes ago, dabunique said: ย I think it's clear by now that people are simply fascinated with the celebrity of Trump, are angry and relate to him being persecuted, and choose to see in him whatever they want to see in him 1
MAKSIM Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Trump has been given a huge mandate and foreign policy is the one area where he has most control. The Palestine debate is over and the theoretical "what would Kamala" have done can be put to rest. There's no leverage to be had and there's no protest that will be effective.ย ย ย 1 1
anti-bitch Posted November 7 Posted November 7 10 minutes ago, Cosmonaut said: ย For state power to last, it has to build consent across society. Their most damaging ideas are quite simply unpopular, and whether through whatever shreds we have left of democratic politics or mass revolt, something will break. Cultural struggle will always be in progress, and yeahโI think it'll get a lot worse before it gets betterโbut I simply don't think the modern American right is actually in touch with what people want or need, and the faultiness will start to show pretty quickly once they take power.ย That last sentence gives me hope, thank you! ย Someone posted a graph earlier showing that this is the first time since WWII that basically every incumbent president or prime minister around the world has lost in election. That suggests life has not been this difficult since the war and also that in bad times people become reactionary, looking for a way out of it.
heckinglovato Posted November 7 Posted November 7 1 minute ago, Lil Mistee said: I'm leaving, but I will say, using any sort of current mass casualty as a way to flame people or feel some sort of superiority on the internet is weird. Put your money where your mouth is and donate to organizations that help in what you believe in. I haven't said much on the conflict because 1.) I don't believe I am the best to talk on it, I am not about to study decades of fighting 2.) I do things IRL to help the Palestinian resistance and 3.) I don't need internet points like SOMEONE here. ย Goodbye now! ย Imagine thinking I'm attempting to be morally superior or directing me to donate to Palestine when I'm literally Palestinian who's been watching the Democrats tear my people apart for over a year nowย ย the same Democrats youย said you believe could be working towards a ceasefire. ย Goodbye indeed 2 1
ClashAndBurn Posted November 7 Posted November 7 3 minutes ago, KylieistBoi said: McConnell is up for reelection in 2026. He will be near to 90. Could Beshear win that seat first before aiming for presidency? Daniel Cameron probably ends up taking McConnell's seat in two years tbh. Beshear needs to hold onto the governorship until his term is up in 2027 because it's absolutely flipping back to red the moment his family name isn't on the ballot to save the party.
heckinglovato Posted November 7 Posted November 7 3 minutes ago, anastaciabby said: I love how you guys downvote anyone to get them out of this thread yet you've been posting the same take for months Sorry for posting about the same topic for monthsย ย Perhaps I'll make sure to hop off onto something more trendy soon! 1
Communion Posted November 7 Posted November 7 (edited) Thread of reporting on how Trump's team actually built outreach teams in working class Latino areas courting their vote because they saw Democrats became mainly focused on trying to court white suburbanites.ย ย @Vermillionย He wrote the article you often link to about the RGV. ย ย ย ย Edited November 7 by Communion 1 2
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted November 7 ATRL Moderator Posted November 7 4 minutes ago, KylieistBoi said: McConnell is up for reelection in 2026. He will be near to 90. Could Beshear win that seat first before aiming for presidency? It's possible. Andy Beshear is beloved in Kentucky. ย Worth noting, he had a more progressive opponent in his 2019 primary (who I voted for in the primary) but he was progressive enough to not alienate the base and he stuck to that posture once elected. His focus on bread and butter issues is closer to the direction the Democrats should follow. He's not a perfect politician by any measure, but he's closer to what will work than a Hillary 4.0. ย Also, inb4 delulu people start talking about Michelle 2028. This is a losing strategy and we all need to leave her alone; she doesn't want to run.ย ย 3 2
anastaciabby Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Just now, heckinglovato said: Sorry for posting about the same topic for monthsย ย Perhaps I'll make sure to hop off onto something more trendy soon! shocker you're pretending not to get what I'm saying
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted November 7 ATRL Moderator Posted November 7 3 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: Daniel Cameron probably ends up taking McConnell's seat in two years tbh. Beshear needs to hold onto the governorship until his term is up in 2027 because it's absolutely flipping back to red the moment his family name isn't on the ballot to save the party. Maybe. Kentucky has never re-elected a Republican governor (source), so I don't think the governor's mansion in KY is destined to be red even without the Beshear name.
Gottasadae Posted November 7 Posted November 7 16 minutes ago, dabunique said: ย I'm screaming ย Very soon, fools like him will have a hardcore reality check but you know what, this is what those rotten brains deservesย 1 1 1
ClashAndBurn Posted November 7 Posted November 7 4 minutes ago, Lil Mistee said: Okay one last thing since I saw this...all I said was AOC said there were numerous talks behind the scenes about ceasefire deals, and I believe her. I never said Harris was. You're actually smart so idk why you're doing this. I say from the get-go that I don't believe AOC was being truthful. She said what she felt she needed to so that the left and anybody who was disgusted with our bombs going to Israel would be placated enough to at least protest a little less. ย She lied, and built off assumptions of what we don't know happens behind closed doors. What we do know is that Biden had nothing but contempt for everyone calling him Genocide Joe and there were no meaningful efforts for a ceasefire. As long as the bombs are promised and unconditioned, Israel has no incentive to ever come to the table. That is all. 2
rivers Posted November 7 Posted November 7 4 minutes ago, RihRihGirrrl said: Damn I'm kinda shocked.....I just learned that both my sisters (registered democrats) who live in Nevada voted for Trump and all of the reasons they gave were crazy conspiracy theories and cultural wars:ย ย --They don't want the government forcing their kids to have to share bathrooms with trans kids --They don't agree with abortion in the 3rd trimesterย --They don't want the government mandating covid vaccines ย I honestly believe that 'the economy' is being used as a cover for some voters and we have a serious problem on our hands as democrats. How the hell are we going to effectively push back on the fear mongering around culture issues?? Being in this thread and talking/coping with folks have made me optimistic for the future but then reading anecdotes like this make me lose any shred of hope I gained. Sighhh ย ย
gagalips Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Trump will give Israel the clear to wipe Gaza off the face of the planet, for real. We are talking Hiroshima vibes.ย ย But slaaaayyyyy to all these keyboard "activists" sitting out, voting for trump or stein.ย ย Literal morons. 2 3
ClashAndBurn Posted November 7 Posted November 7 1 minute ago, Bloo said: Maybe. Kentucky has never re-elected a Republican governor, so I don't think the governor's mansion in KY is destined to be red even without the Beshear name. Didn't Matt Bevin lose merely because of a fluke? He pushed back on teacher's unions one year too early imo. He would have won big if COVID lockdowns and all-time high anti-teacher sentiments were happening while he was up for reelection imo. And alsoโฆ Beshear still needed his family name to get over the finish line. Any other Democrat still probably would've flopped
ctlp27 Posted November 7 Posted November 7 2 hours ago, BOOMBAYAH said: There's a common belief that left-leaning parties, like the American Democrats, have to shift to the right to appeal to voters because they're perceived as "extreme." But I think this perception isn't truly about their policies being far-left or radical; rather, it's the narrative that "leftist = extreme" that has been created and reinforced, regardless of whether it's accurate. We can see this playing out today with the Democratic Party, but it's worth remembering that not long ago, the roles were reversed: the Republican Party was often viewed as extreme, while Democrats were seen as the "sensible" party representing empathy, morality, and care for people. ย If we compare the two parties' platforms and rhetoric from 2008 to 2024, their core values haven't changed significantlyโif anything, Republicans may have moved further to the right, while Democrats have edged closer to the center. Yet, the narrative around each has shifted dramatically. So, this shift in perception isn't so much about whether the policies are truly "left" or "right"; it's about who holds the power to define what's considered extreme or sensible. Political parties don't have to change significantly to be seen differentlyโit's about controlling the narrative. I don't disagree with you, but my perspective focuses on what truly drove the election and the Democrats' rebuttal this cycle, particularly issues like the economy and immigration. It's somewhat disheartening, to be honest, because Biden's legislative achievements have been the most progressive since FDR. However, I don't believe that those who abstained from voting for Kamala did so because she wasn't progressive enough. I genuinely think it was more about the economic environment or general sentiment rather than a partisan choice (again for those who didn't come, not those who voted for Trump, I still do not get how you can hesitate between both).
Cesar Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Just now, gagalips said: Trump will give Israel the clear to wipe Gaza off the face of the planet, for real. We are talking Hiroshima vibes.ย ย But slaaaayyyyy to all these keyboard "activists" sitting out, voting for trump or stein.ย ย Literal morons. you guys keep blamming pro-palestine supporters. when you fail to realize that even if those pro-palestine supporters voted for kamala, she still would've lost. The Democrats lost the working people. 2 6
heckinglovato Posted November 7 Posted November 7 2 minutes ago, gagalips said: Trump will give Israel the clear to wipe Gaza off the face of the planet, for real. We are talking Hiroshima vibes.ย ย But slaaaayyyyy to all these keyboard "activists" sitting out, voting for trump or stein.ย ย Literal morons. Like clockwork ย ย 1 1
Gesamtkunstwerk Posted November 7 Posted November 7 The Democrats do not need to abandon identity politics to make a comebackย ย That would just be another embarrassment and loss to them. People suggesting this are people that it wouldn't affect if Dems just went full Republican lite ย Dems need different economic politics, instead of just being limp on the current economic situation in their country, because believe it or not, minorities also want food on their table, a stable job and living situation, access to healthcare and education, not work 2 to 3 jobs to make it through the month ย But they just leaned back and thought that minority voters were secure because at least they weren't as racist and homophobic as Republicansย ย ย You can have both.
ClashAndBurn Posted November 7 Posted November 7 1 minute ago, gagalips said: Trump will give Israel the clear to wipe Gaza off the face of the planet, for real. We are talking Hiroshima vibes.ย ย But slaaaayyyyy to all these keyboard "activists" sitting out, voting for trump or stein.ย ย Literal morons. That was already happening under Biden, henny. The payload of bombs dropped on Gaza has exceeded that of Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined. The only difference being there's no radioactive cloud that would waft over Israel. ย ย 2 1
Thuggin Posted November 7 Posted November 7 I don't know about y'all, but I keep cycling through a wave of emotions following Tuesday night, and right now I'm just at exhaustion, resignation, and indifference ย And I know that's not helpful, but that's just where I'm at right now
XDNA Posted November 7 Posted November 7 9 minutes ago, RihRihGirrrl said: Damn I'm kinda shocked.....I just learned that both my sisters (registered democrats) who live in Nevada voted for Trump and all of the reasons they gave were crazy conspiracy theories and cultural wars:ย ย --They don't want the government forcing their kids to have to share bathrooms with trans kids --They don't agree with abortion in the 3rd trimesterย --They don't want the government mandating covid vaccines ย I honestly believe that 'the economy' is being used as a cover for some voters and we have a serious problem on our hands as democrats. How the hell are we going to effectively push back on the fear mongering around culture issues?? I agree, I've spoken to so many people that feel this way. They mention inflation but then go on a rant about trans/drag queens being a danger to kids. They believe so many conspiracies like that schools are making kids learn about trans people at schools and other things. ย I think a lot of people here are in denial about how much people shifted on LGBTQ/trans issues. A lot of conservative women also feel threatened by trans/gays because they think we're after their men. 2
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