Mr. Blue_Shirt Posted November 7 Posted November 7 When they compete at the 2028 Democratic primaries as the fresh new faces, then what? ddd 1 1
superglowy Posted November 7 Posted November 7 1 minute ago, Relampago. said: The fact that we're providing an alternative to a losing strategy that's ringing the alarms on the end of the Democratic Party. I was also saying that progressives in swing states should avoid voting 3rd party because it would be better to have Harris as a president and push for progress, than otherwise. And I didn't want a 2016 situation where third parties take away votes that could have won her the presidency. But this time.. there is none of that. The US wholeheartedly rejected Biden and Harris, and if every third party voter would have voted for her, it would not have made a difference. I also find it hard to believe that 15 million voters who stayed at home are all progressives protest voting. The US said NO MORE to the neoliberal policies and ran to the fascist. Like, does that not tell you how awful Democrats' strategy is? They ran to the fascist because they believe he will help them more than Dems will! And we can call them stupid all we want and blame meany progressives online all we want, but the truth is that liberalism FAILED us. So my answer to your question is this: progressivism is providing you and the party with a way OUT of this mess. If you think sticking with the liberal status quo is the way, be my guest, but don't act shocked when we end up right back at square one again. The first sentence isn't a Material change though? Look, I'm all in on trying the progressive movement after the election just gone, but some of the response here show why it's kind offputting to a lot of people, telling people their political beliefs and actions are BAD, WRONG, NAUGHTY when that is a core to who they are. Progressives NEED to win over moderates to have any real power. If the petri dish of ATRL interactions is an accurate sample, it shows why this is a task the progressive movement are failing.
bad guy Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Why why why are liberals giving a rage-baiting white supremacist troll like Nick Fuentes any coverage at all? There needs to be a serious conversation about these social media accounts sharing these fringe ass people to fear-monger and increase their social media engagement. The fact that anyone is even giving a glance at anything this professional provocateur is saying is wasting their time. He is completely irrelevant to this election. Stop falling for the bait. 5 2
Beyonnaise Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Go ask a few people in your life: "What has the Democratic Party message for the last ten years been?" All they will tell you are the bucket of phrases that fully center Trump. "Resistance" "Stronger together" "We are not going back" "Restore our democracy" "Fight for the soul of our nation" "Hate has no home here" NONE of their messaging in three presidential campaign cycles takes the focus away from Donald Trump and his moral behaviors. Literally none. There is no imagination of what the party could do as a winning government. Meanwhile Trump has consistently prioritized everything he plans to DO. The wall. Mass deportations. Tariffs. Draining the swamp. Saving your son from getting a sex change in his kindergarten classroom. What's not clicking 4 3
Ashley Banks Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Just now, Ghiles said: Nimrata Randhawa Haley will be the first female US president To get elected you have to be a fascist like Giorgia Meloni and Marine Le Pen She has no shot in the Republican primary. Maybe the next Democrat will campaign with her though. 5
Lil Mistee Posted November 7 Posted November 7 1 minute ago, Mr. Blue_Shirt said: When they compete at the 2028 Democratic primaries as the fresh new faces, then what? ddd I vote for my queen Bridgit, simple as Spoiler that is bridgit mendler right?
Rigalo Posted November 7 Posted November 7 I'm screaming at the idea of AOC having a "toxic brand" and "no credibility" but going up for Marianne Williamson 4
Lil Mistee Posted November 7 Posted November 7 OMG wait she looks SO presidential here...OMG OUR NEXT PRESIDENT 1
St. Charles Posted November 7 Posted November 7 1 minute ago, bad guy said: Why why why are liberals giving a rage-baiting white supremacist troll like Nick Fuentes any coverage at all? There needs to be a serious conversation about these social media accounts sharing these fringe ass people to fear-monger and increase their social media engagement. The fact that anyone is even giving a glance at anything this professional provocateur is saying is wasting their time. He is completely irrelevant to this election. Stop falling for the bait. Right? I thought we stopped falling for bait in 2018. I guarantee Fuentes just grew his platform.
Thuggin Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Pundits are gonna agree with this when they spent two elections deriding Bernie supporters as Bernie Bros I feel like I'm taking loonie pills! 1
ATRL Moderator madonnas Posted November 7 ATRL Moderator Posted November 7 4 minutes ago, Beyonnaise said: Go ask a few people in your life: "What has the Democratic Party message for the last ten years been?" All they will tell you are the bucket of phrases that fully center Trump. "Resistance" "Stronger together" "We are not going back" "Restore our democracy" "Fight for the soul of our nation" "Hate has no home here" NONE of their messaging in three presidential campaign cycles takes the focus away from Donald Trump and his moral behaviors. Literally none. There is no imagination of what the party could do as a winning government. Meanwhile Trump has consistently prioritized everything he plans to DO. The wall. Mass deportations. Tariffs. Draining the swamp. Saving your son from getting a sex change in his kindergarten classroom. What's not clicking I really don’t know why I thought this year would be different, but I did delusional hope, I guess. You’re right. 2
aquababy Posted November 7 Posted November 7 5 minutes ago, Ghiles said: Nimrata Randhawa Haley will be the first female US president To get elected you have to be a fascist like Giorgia Meloni and Marine Le Pen maga has been propping up tulsi gabbard as the first female president they'll vote for so
Redstreak Posted November 7 Posted November 7 3 minutes ago, Beyonnaise said: Go ask a few people in your life: "What has the Democratic Party message for the last ten years been?" All they will tell you are the bucket of phrases that fully center Trump. "Resistance" "Stronger together" "We are not going back" "Restore our democracy" "Fight for the soul of our nation" "Hate has no home here" NONE of their messaging in three presidential campaign cycles takes the focus away from Donald Trump and his moral behaviors. Literally none. There is no imagination of what the party could do as a winning government. Meanwhile Trump has consistently prioritized everything he plans to DO. The wall. Mass deportations. Tariffs. Draining the swamp. Saving your son from getting a sex change in his kindergarten classroom. What's not clicking People like superglowy are desperate to go back to a time where they can ignore politics and brunch it up, which is something you can only do with status quo Obama nothingness and that's now dead in the water. Actually pushing a progressive message requires strategy and resolve and work 2 1
superglowy Posted November 7 Posted November 7 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Cosmonaut said: What's your proposed alternative, sis? Keep doing what we've been doing and abandon the progressive movement altogether? I think there are ways the progressive movement needs to be more strategic, but we also desperately need the less progressive sectors of the Dems to start taking it seriously as a potentially winning strategy. To Relampago's point, that *might* actually happen after this absolute blowout. The messaging. Progressives label and messaging is of disrupters which is admirable, but is going to invite pushback from a party that needs to evolve, not be torn down. It seems a lot of people thirst for the destruction of the Democratic Party so they can take their place as the second in the two party system, which is not going to work. Instead they need to make in roads with the Dems voting base and increase their numbers and present themselves as a bridge forward to a new version of the old Democratic Party. This is y'all's moment to blossom, the ground is fertile. Rooting for y'all. Good luck. Edited November 7 by superglowy 1
ClashAndBurn Posted November 7 Posted November 7 This is the mentality we're up against. We are facing down the barrel of an active purge from the party, and we're being lectured on how we need to just accept that we're hated and unpopular and will never have a voice in the party again? Arguably we never had a voice to begin with, but sheepdogs like AOC were allowed in to mislead and placate the disaffected left that were slowly breaking away after Hillary's catastrophic failure. And now, Kamala's loss has been an even bigger disaster. 1
Cosmonaut Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Just now, superglowy said: The first sentence isn't a Material change though? Look, I'm all in on trying the progressive movement after the election just gone, but some of the response here show why it's kind offputting to a lot of people, telling people their political beliefs and actions are BAD, WRONG, NAUGHTY when that is a core to who they are. Progressives NEED to win over moderates to have any real power. If the petri dish of ATRL interactions is an accurate sample, it shows why this is a task the progressive movement are failing. LOL ok fair. I don't know what you want from the material change question—clearly there hasn't been one, but you might say that there is more and more consciousness of the need for alternatives to our political and social structures in general. That's the best I can do there. But I do agree you're right that the messaging that gets attached to progressivism has failed. Not tone policing anyone, but clearly we're not winning people over. We need to start having real conversations with people about how progressive policy works and how it'll materially benefit their lives. Identity politics has evidently failed as a basis for political solidarity (surprise, surprise) and an actual working-class movement is probably our only hope (and should've been the goal all along). Idk, I still feel like Bernie has done a great job of articulating the goals and values of the left, and if the Dems had rallied around that message, we'd be in a very different place.
ClashAndBurn Posted November 7 Posted November 7 4 minutes ago, Rigalo said: I'm screaming at the idea of AOC having a "toxic brand" and "no credibility" but going up for Marianne Williamson Miss Grace is the only one here rooting for Marianne. Everyone else here knows full well what a joke she is.
Cosmonaut Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Just now, superglowy said: The messaging. Progressives label and messaging is of disrupters which is admirable, but is going to invite pushback from a party that needs to evolve, not be torn down. It seems a lot of people thirst for the destruction of the Democratic Party so they can take their place as the second in the two party system, which is not going to work. Instead they need to make in roads with the Dems voting base and increase their numbers and present themselves as a bridge forward to a new version of the old Democratic Party. This is y'all's moment to blossom, the ground is fertile. Rotting for y'all. Good luck. "Y'all"... if you claim to believe in the values of progressivism, get on board, hun!
woohoo Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Guys we can fight about what went wrong all day but the truth is this was curtains. Mark my words, there will be no elections in 2026 and 2028. Republicans have been planning this moment since the early 80s. If anyone thinks they are gonna give up an ounce of power now we're kidding ourselves. And once Thomas and alito retire we can absolutely forget Medicare for all, abortion ever coming back, gay marriage is absolutely toast next. This was it. We fought with each other for four years and in the end just couldn't come together (party leaders incompetence admitted) and what starts in January is the beginning of the rest of our lives. I was a little hopeful yesterday but after reading project 2025….there's no coming back. 1
Ghiles Posted November 7 Posted November 7 11 minutes ago, Lil Mistee said: Also, have fun when that entire area is just a big crater now ! I'm not sure if you've seen recent satellite images, but it already is 1 1
heckinglovato Posted November 7 Posted November 7 15 minutes ago, Lil Mistee said: Ik you're an idiotic troll, but I am not a liberal. Aww did I trigger you by dismantling the false notion that Holocaust Harris was ever working towards a ceasefire? 1 1 1
Relampago. Posted November 7 Posted November 7 7 minutes ago, superglowy said: The first sentence isn't a Material change though? Look, I'm all in on trying the progressive movement after the election just gone, but some of the response here show why it's kind offputting to a lot of people, telling people their political beliefs and actions are BAD, WRONG, NAUGHTY when that is a core to who they are. Progressives NEED to win over moderates to have any real power. If the petri dish of ATRL interactions is an accurate sample, it shows why this is a task the progressive movement are failing. Ddd again sis, MAGA goes online and says awful, racist and sexist things and still get votes from these groups, so if you're hurt by a meanie leftist saying letting people die without healthcare is wrong and not a winning strategy then that's that. Also, I don't know why you keep touting this progressive line when it's only been moderates in power all this time. But I guess if you wanna take it that far, progressives got us gay marriage by advocating for it when it was unpopular until moderates got on board with it, and likewise with cancelling student debt in the Biden admin. Harris ran on all center left policies at best and people scoffed in her face and kicked her to the curb. Leftists and progressives always push for these things first, liberals pushback by saying "we need to WIN!", then they lose, then they adopt some of our ideas and take credit for them for 20 years until people grow tired of that, vote Republican, rinse repeat. 5
superglowy Posted November 7 Posted November 7 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Cosmonaut said: "Y'all"... if you claim to believe in the values of progressivism, get on board, hun! I'm in. I meant y'all as in the people that have been championing it all this time. **** it, clearly the old way isn't going to work and progressives won't coalesce around Dems, so let's try Dems coalescing around progressives. Edited November 7 by superglowy 4
Lil Mistee Posted November 7 Posted November 7 2 minutes ago, heckinglovato said: Aww did I trigger you by dismantling the false notion that Holocaust Harris was ever working towards a ceasefire? You're so annoying, you never have anything of substance to add. All you talk about is "holocaust harris", and I never even really liked Kamala, like don't reply to me lol. 1 3
Lil Mistee Posted November 7 Posted November 7 5 minutes ago, Ghiles said: I'm not sure if you've seen recent satellite images, but it already is Well it's a parking lot rn, the nuke has yet to come henny 1 1
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