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[Relampago.]

5 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said:

Crystal horoscope talk is MAINSTREAM. Yall are OUT OF TOUCH. 

Maybe I'm out of touch because RFK's pseudoscience is taking off, but I can't imagine people will allow a woman running for Democratic nominee to get away with the same narrative

[GhostBox]

4 minutes ago, BOOMBAYAH said:

We kind of need a super cool, attractive man in his mid-to-late 40s who can effectively sell left-wing ideas to young people and independents.

 

If Jon Ossoff pulls a rabbit out of his hat and wins in 2026 that's the man for the job I think 🤷

[harwee]

Kamala did really good in Kansas, the best dem pres candidate's showing there in possibly 45 years, who would've thought.

 

 

[Gesamtkunstwerk]

4 minutes ago, BOOMBAYAH said:

We kind of need a super cool, attractive man in his mid-to-late 40s who can effectively sell left-wing ideas to young people and independents.

 

Not a bad idea, but I would be scared if it served this

 

 

[Lil Mistee]

 

"Leelanau County, Michigan is the bluest it's ever been Harris +13, swung 8% more Dem since 2020"

 

the wine moms are libbing out 

[superglowy]

4 minutes ago, Relampago. said:

The "your side" thing makes me cringe so much  The way the Joe Rogan bros and Rachel Ray-enthusiast Pam, along with Jaime and Phillip can all come together to vote for unifying causes despite being so different, while liberals keep trying to blame leftists who are desperately trying to help them… is such a frustrating experience.

 

Let's look at the reality: Clinton, Biden and Harris all failed and have lost us votes with key demographics. Without young people and Latinos, the Republican Party was going to die out… and look at them now. When these groups rejected them, they didn't go "hmm.. let's keep doing what we've been doing even though it didn't work!" No, Trump got his ass to work and turned that party around, they coalesced and targeted these groups and WON. 

 

Republicans are so ****ing good at what they do, it's annoying. Liberals seriously need to stop trying to double down and scoff at leftists because y'all are losing everyone very quickly. Leftists and progressives gave y'all 3 chances to make some serious improvements to strategy and it failed all 3 times.

 

Wake UP! It's not about asking "what have you done?" because the party in power for the last 4 years has allowed the fascist to take control and completely ceded important demographics to them, meanwhile they try to fingerwag at people online who are fed up, just like the voters they lost are. 

Completely deflecting the Question. Name what is materially better for the Democratic base due to the progressive movement. What policies? What change? Not philosophical or moral or such, tell me what on a wide scale is now better?

 

Im not dunking on progressives, i like the progressive movement and it's the future, but over and over losing 16 and 24 and Supreme Court justices and project 25 is the price, what has the progressive movement gotten to make this cost worth it?

Edited November 7 by superglowy

[Ashley Banks]

I don't think voters view things as "right" or "left" in a coherent way. When people say that Democrats are too left wing, they're usually talking about culture war issues, not healthcare and taxes. Bernie was in some ways perceived as more moderate than Hillary in 2016 because he talked about kitchen table issues. 

[ClashAndBurn]

Dddd I've never broken away from a Ryan Grim talking point so hard in my life.

 

Ossoff is so over, and Warnock just needs to be challenged by someone slightly less unpalatable than Herschel Walker. Even MTG would've won in 2022.

[GhostBox]

 

[BOOMBAYAH]

2 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said:

Marianne would appeal to young men actually. She has a comforting maternal thing about her. 

Men will literally be raised by a single mother who sacrifices everything to give them a shot at life, and still come out misogynistic and resentful. If America ever gets a woman president, it would have to be at a peak of social equality between the sexes + women from every demographic turning out in droves to vote for her.

[GhostBox]

Just now, ClashAndBurn said:

Dddd I've never broken away from a Ryan Grim talking point so hard in my life.

 

Ossoff is so over, and Warnock just needs to be challenged by someone slightly less unpalatable than Herschel Walker. Even MTG would've won in 2022.

First time I agree with him. Shocker 👏🏼👏🏼

[Redstreak]

24 minutes ago, superglowy said:

I mean, you all have been protesting for nearly 10 years. What have you all actually gained? 

At the very least vindication that the modern Democratic Party was wholly unequiped to meet the current moment if they didn't change course. And even after this humiliating blowout they're still probably not gonna learn

Edited November 7 by Redstreak

[heckinglovato]

5 minutes ago, Lil Mistee said:

She didn't lie, she literally said there are many things we don't get to see (obviously true) and that there were numerous talks about a ceasefire. I'm choosing to believe her over ATRL users sorry! 

You choose to believe AOC's rhetoric over actual billions of dollars in checks to fund the genocide?

 

Liberals are COOKED and you'll keep losing forever 

[Cosmonaut]

2 minutes ago, superglowy said:

Completely deflecting the Question. Name what is materially better for the Democratic base due to the progressive movement. What policies? What change? Not philosophical or moral or such, tell me what on a wide scale is now better?

 

Im not dunking on progressives, i like the progressive movement and it's the future, but over and over losing 16 and 24 and Supreme Court justices and project 25 is the price, what has the progressive movement gotten to make this cost worth it?

But I think the point is that none of those losses were progressive campaigns...

 

Nothing is materially better due to the progressive movement precisely because it's been crushed by the Dem establishment at every point. Progressives didn't cost them those elections—Dems running aggressively to the right and all but ignoring the *actually very popular* policies espoused by the left did.

[Lil Mistee]

1 minute ago, heckinglovato said:

You choose to believe AOC's rhetoric over actual billions of dollars in checks to fund the genocide?

 

Liberals are COOKED and you'll keep losing forever 

Ik you're an idiotic troll, but I am not a liberal. 

Edited November 7 by Lil Mistee

[Relampago.]

Just now, superglowy said:

Completely deflecting the Question. Name what is materially better for the Democratic base due to the progressive movement. What policies? What change? Not philosophical or moral or such, tell me what on a wide scale is now better?

The fact that we're providing an alternative to a losing strategy that's ringing the alarms on the end of the Democratic Party.  

 

I was also saying that progressives in swing states should avoid voting 3rd party because it would be better to have Harris as a president and push for progress, than otherwise. And I didn't want a 2016 situation where third parties take away votes that could have won her the presidency.

 

But this time.. there is none of that. The US wholeheartedly rejected Biden and Harris, and if every third party voter would have voted for her, it would not have made a difference. I also find it hard to believe that 15 million voters who stayed at home are all progressives protest voting.

 

The US said NO MORE to the neoliberal policies and ran to the fascist. Like, does that not tell you how awful Democrats' strategy is? They ran to the fascist because they believe he will help them more than Dems will!

 

And we can call them stupid all we want and blame meany progressives online all we want, but the truth is that liberalism FAILED us. So my answer to your question is this: progressivism is providing you and the party with a way OUT of this mess. If you think sticking with the liberal status quo is the way, be my guest, but don't act shocked when we end up right back at square one again.

[BOOMBAYAH]

It's kind of funny to see white Democrats, who insist they vote Democrat to help all Americans (as opposed to the racist, sexist, homophobic white Republicans), basically say, "Yeah, we need to drop the trans issues, DEI, and identity politics".  Sure, there needs to be some streamlining and tweaking of narratives, but, as someone mentioned earlier, if you stop standing up for oppressed people, you might as well be a Republican-lite party.

[Bamboo]

4 minutes ago, Ashley Banks said:

I don't think voters view things as "right" or "left" in a coherent way. When people say that Democrats are too left wing, they're usually talking about culture war issues, not healthcare and taxes. Bernie was in some ways perceived as more moderate than Hillary in 2016 because he talked about kitchen table issues. 

I don't think right vs left matters as much as how the message is delivered. People want populists. 

[superglowy]

Just now, Cosmonaut said:

But I think the point is that none of those losses were progressive campaigns...

 

Nothing is materially better due to the progressive movement precisely because it's been crushed by the Dem establishment at every point. Progressives didn't cost them those elections—Dems running aggressively to the right and all but ignoring the *actually very popular* policies espoused by the left did.

So yeah, nothing material. And if this is the movement that is suppose to bring about revolutionary change and reshape the structures of American politics and benefits and fiscal aid etc, how is it going to be powerful enough to topple the GOP machine if it can't actually work within the Democratic machine?
 

Your last sentence. Yes. Correct,

[St. Charles]

Also do we maybe put too much stock in the president and their responsibilities? Comparing local, state, and country elections made me realize that the more local governments are the ones that are policy driven and that might answer many of the things people are asking for. The national political organization is a clunky and ineffective machine that struggles to pass basic legislation. It seems much more about image and appearances. So with that being said, why do we need the "perfect" candidate? I've always just voted who I thought would at least try to facilitate some of the change I'd want to see, and definitely NOT someone who would do everything to counteract that. 

[Thuggin]

My mom loved Marianne and her books and was open to supporting her during the Democratic primaries. Ten years ago she was an anti-Monsanto, anti-fluoride in the water, anti-GMO holistic medicine mommy. It's funny how back then that put you squarely on the left - if not a Democrat then even a Green, and it was seen as kooky and hippie dippie. But since the right captured all the anti-vax sentiment, all those people - many more in my own family - are now loyal Republicans down the ballot.

 

I have other family members too who were super pro-choice and interested in social justice just a few years ago who are now pro-Trump and complain about woke. Covid fried so many brains.

[Lil Mistee]

12 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

She openly lied about what Biden-Harris were doing. She obfuscated reality. There was no ceasefire being negotiated, they were just doing PR cover for Israel!

Also, unlike you probably, I actually listen to everything AOC has to say cuz I admire her ambition. The grass roots movement she started was what this country SHOULD BE about. She has been more than critical, but I also am smart enough to realize she played politics to try and get a foot in the door to get something done. Lets be real now. 

 

Also, have fun when that entire area is just a big crater now !

[Cosmonaut]

1 minute ago, superglowy said:

So yeah, nothing material. And if this is the movement that is suppose to bring about revolutionary change and reshape the structures of American politics and benefits and fiscal aid etc, how is it going to be powerful enough to topple the GOP machine if it can't actually work within the Democratic machine?
 

Your last sentence. Yes. Correct,

What's your proposed alternative, sis? Keep doing what we've been doing and abandon the progressive movement altogether?

 

I think there are ways the progressive movement needs to be more strategic, but we also desperately need the less progressive sectors of the Dems to start taking it seriously as a potentially winning strategy. To Relampago's point, that *might* actually happen after this absolute blowout.

[superglowy]

1 minute ago, Relampago. said:

The fact that we're providing an alternative to a losing strategy that's ringing the alarms on the end of the Democratic Party.  

 

I was also saying that progressives in swing states should avoid voting 3rd party because it would be better to have Harris as a president and push for progress, than otherwise. And I didn't want a 2016 situation where third parties take away votes that could have won her the presidency.

 

But this time.. there is none of that. The US wholeheartedly rejected Biden and Harris, and if every third party voter would have voted for her, it would not have made a difference. I also find it hard to believe that 15 million voters who stayed at home are all progressives protest voting.

 

The US said NO MORE to the neoliberal policies and ran to the fascist. Like, does that not tell you how awful Democrats' strategy is? They ran to the fascist because they believe he will help them more than Dems will!

 

And we can call them stupid all we want and blame meany progressives online all we want, but the truth is that liberalism FAILED us. So my answer to your question is this: progressivism is providing you and the party with a way OUT of this mess. If you think sticking with the liberal status quo is the way, be my guest, but don't act shocked when we end up right back at square one again.

The first sentence isn't a Material change though? Look, I'm all in on trying the progressive movement after the election just gone, but some of the response here show why it's kind offputting to a lot of people, telling people their political beliefs and actions are BAD, WRONG, NAUGHTY when that is a core to who they are. Progressives NEED to win over moderates to have any real power. If the petri dish of ATRL interactions is an accurate sample, it shows why this is a task the progressive movement are failing.

[Ghiles]

Nimrata Randhawa Haley will be the first female US president

 

To get elected you have to be a fascist like Giorgia Meloni and Marine Le Pen