ClashAndBurn Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Just now, superglowy said: No. The people that are going to vote to get rid of Obamacare and National abortion rights are to blame. You can't state both parties are the same but decide the person that could stop an attack but didn't is just the same as the person doing the attacking, Harris objectively is a loser. And because of that, civil rights are going to be stripped away. That was the outcome of Hillary also being a massive loser.
Gaia Posted November 7 Posted November 7 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Relampago. said: The way I still see so many anecdotes from Latino/Asian/Young voters constantly saying that the Democrats trying to scare votes out of them isn't working anymore, only for their explanations to be met with: "Well, you voted against your best interest so now you get what you deserve!" Like mama… Do y'all ever learn? No wonder these groups of voters hate y'all now. You say you care about them, but once they turn on you, you basically say: "Oh wow! Hope you suffer and die!" How is that helping our case? There's a general exhaustion of people expecting the "democratic" party to be perfect and stand for everything to be unicorns and perfect and rainbows. It's an unrealistic expectation. It's inevitable turning sour because there are WAY too many single issue voters in the democratic party who throw a temperature tantrum anytime their single issue is not satisfied or prioritized. Republicans are essentially turning into a large cult where they will vote Red down the line no matter what while the Democratic Party is full of single issue voters who will threaten to withhold their vote the second a politician does something that they don't like. If we lived in a perfect society, yeah that IS the point of a democracy but we don't. We live in a world where the right will vote red no matter and the blue won't. So we will continue to see everything turn red and blue continue to lose seats in the house, senate, and presidencies. All of the single issue voters will not only NOT get what they want in the first place, but they'll actively get other rights taken away. So good for you guys for having unrealistic expectations and living in la la land. Edited November 7 by Gaia 3 1 1
GraceRandolph Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Just now, Tovitov said: Yes With literally what demographic though?
Tovitov Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Although Marianne Willaimson going on Rogan and winning over some bros could have been fun 1
anti-bitch Posted November 7 Posted November 7 30 minutes ago, GhostBox said: The media and everyone saying the economy is the reason why republicans won is laughable. As soon as Trump is inaugurated these same voters will say the economy is brilliant. Literally the same day. The media can still do a lot to stop Trump and Maga from doing further damage. You could say the constant attacking him for all the things he did from 2017-2020, it worked. He lost. And in 2022 they also managed to make the midterms about abortion rights. But this year, I feel like they let him off the hook.
Lil Mistee Posted November 7 Posted November 7 2 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: Yall made fun of me for being a Marianne stan, but could she honestly have done any worse than this? Yes
superglowy Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Just now, ClashAndBurn said: Harris objectively is a loser. And because of that, civil rights are going to be stripped away. That was the outcome of Hillary also being a massive loser. Incorrect. Republicans will strip civil rights away. Therefore it is the Republicans fault. Again, you operate from the think that Dems are the 'good guys' and GOP are the 'bad guys' therefore it is worse when a good guy does a bad act, which….fair, but you have been going on and on about how both parties are exactly the same, so where is your anger and posts about Republicans?
ClashAndBurn Posted November 7 Posted November 7 You libs don't get to complain about Vote Blue No Matter Who not working they way yall want it to after what you did to India Walton in Buffalo. **** off with that 1
popstyle Posted November 7 Posted November 7 (edited) Its over. Trump is a king!!! Theres no checks and balances in place now. He will have the house, senate , supreme court. America is not going to be the same. They handed this country over to billionaires!!! Just wait. All over lies, conspiracy theories trump told, twitter misinformation and all the crap the media threw at kamala. We are screwed!!! Enjoy your dictator. Edited November 7 by popstyle 2 1
GraceRandolph Posted November 7 Posted November 7 1 minute ago, Tovitov said: Although Marianne Willaimson going on Rogan and winning over some bros could have been fun She won over people when she went on Dave Rubin. Like… she can actually communicate. Kamala couldn't tell us whether she thought the border wall was a good idea or not or whether or not she believes transgender people should be able to receive medical care. 2
ClashAndBurn Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Just now, superglowy said: Incorrect. Republicans will strip civil rights away. Therefore it is the Republicans fault. Again, you operate from the think that Dems are the 'good guys' and GOP are the 'bad guys' therefore it is worse when a good guy does a bad act, which….fair, but you have been going on and on about how both parties are exactly the same, so where is your anger and posts about Republicans? I have zero influence over Republicans. I hate them and they want me dead. I resent Democrats for failing to be compelling enough that voters would choose them over the side that wants me killed. In response, the Democrats have essentially thrown up their hands and gone, "Fine. You can be killed." They are set to resume the failed strategy of chasing moderate republicans that led to this absolute flop of an election loss
ATRL Moderator madonnas Posted November 7 ATRL Moderator Posted November 7 3 minutes ago, Gaia said: There's a general exhaustion of people expecting the "democratic" party to be perfect and stand for everything to be unicorns and perfect and rainbows. It's an unrealistic expectation. It's inevitable turning sour because there are WAY too many single issue voters in the democratic party who throw a temperature tantrum anytime their single issue is not satisfied or prioritized. I think that this narrative is false and crafted by party operatives to basically refuse to adapt to the times. I’m really sick of it (no offense to you) and I think the “if you would have sucked it up and voted dem” mentality is really hurting the party in the long run because people feel like, okay, they’re not even going to address issues voters care about, they feel like they know better than everyone. 4 1
Album Leak Posted November 7 Posted November 7 10 minutes ago, Relampago. said: The way I still see so many anecdotes from Latino/Asian/Young voters constantly saying that the Democrats trying to scare votes out of them isn't working anymore, only for their explanations to be met with: "Well, you voted against your best interest so now you get what you deserve!" Like mama… Do y'all ever learn? No wonder these groups of voters hate y'all now. You say you care about them, but once they turn on you, you basically say: "Oh wow! Hope you suffer and die!" How is that helping our case? This is honestly one of the most frustrating things about the response to these horrid election results. The fact that people are more concerned with using their energy on blaming different demographics (which will only make those people more convinced they did the right thing by not voting Dems), instead of being extremely concerned why certain groups, especially racial minorities in this case, are seemingly voting against their own best interests and drifting away from the Democratic Party into the hands of a racist fascist felon like Trump. Democrats have utterly failed, point blank period. And before anyone cuts my head off, obviously there is a lot more in play here than just '' dems are being meanies '' or whatever. But there's definitely a lack of introspection going on I feel. 2 1
anti-bitch Posted November 7 Posted November 7 4 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: Yall made fun of me for being a Marianne stan, but could she honestly have done any worse than this? Well, she can go to the next primary. There has to be an open Democratic primary process for 2028. I don't stan her like you, but deffo curious to see how she could do then. Also, AOC is now old enough to run for President.
superglowy Posted November 7 Posted November 7 1 minute ago, ClashAndBurn said: I have zero influence over Republicans. I hate them and they want me dead. I resent Democrats for failing to be compelling enough that voters would choose them over the side that wants me killed. In response, the Democrats have essentially thrown up their hands and gone, "Fine. You can be killed." They are set to resume the failed strategy of chasing moderate republicans that led to this absolute flop of an election loss So why would you rally against a party that doesn't want you killed to, by default, empower a party that does want you killed? And you do have influence, go register as a Republican, go vote a progressive agenda because as you have been saying for years, both parties are THE SAME. So have at it.
GraceRandolph Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Just now, anti-***** said: Well, she can go to the next primary. There has to be an open Democratic primary process for 2028. I don't stan her like you, but deffo curious to see how she could do then. Also, AOC is now old enough to run for President. AOC is too entrenched in the establishment. Marianne has a real "I told you so" narrative to work with. 1 1
Tovitov Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Just now, GraceRandolph said: AOC is too entrenched in the establishment. Marianne has a real "I told you so" narrative to work with. Marianne needs to lose the reputation of being a new age weirdo to actually have a chance, but good luck to her. I hope she gets a fair shake if she runs in 2028. 1 1
anti-bitch Posted November 7 Posted November 7 And although Bernie is old, he could help to "raise" someone who'd become the next progressives front man or woman. 1
Lil Mistee Posted November 7 Posted November 7 I don't want anymore sjw's up in this gig, enough with identity politics y'all aint winning that war, lets move on...
ClashAndBurn Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Just now, superglowy said: So why would you rally against a party that doesn't want you killed to, by default, empower a party that does want you killed? And you do have influence, go register as a Republican, go vote a progressive agenda because as you have been saying for years, both parties are THE SAME. So have at it. "Never protest against Democrats" is your answer? Fine. I guess Democrats will never win another election. I can't wait to shout "Genocide Josh" at Shapiro rallies in four years, personally.
superglowy Posted November 7 Posted November 7 3 minutes ago, madonnas said: I think that this narrative is false and crafted by party operatives to basically refuse to adapt to the times. I'm really sick of it (no offense to you) and I think the "if you would have sucked it up and voted dem" mentality is really hurting the party in the long run because people feel like, okay, they're not even going to address issues voters care about, they feel like they know better than everyone. There's two different voting mentalities at play, which causes all this conflict. Some people vote from a defensive position. They vote to protect, and maintain power and rights we already have with a fear of things getting worse. Some people vote from an offensive position. They vote to accumulate, and gain power and rights we don't have with a hope things get better. Unfortunately, when these two factions are at extreme odds…….this happens.
GraceRandolph Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Just now, Tovitov said: Marianne needs to lose the reputation of being a new age weirdo to actually have a chance, but good luck to her. I hope she gets a fair shake if she runs in 2028. The electorate doesn't care if someone is a new age weirdo. We need to stop thinking the average voter is a white college educated yuppie who looks down on alternative medicine and spirituality. That's clearly not the electorate at all, they are looking for inspiring messages. Trump and the Republicans just focused on inflation and it worked.
superglowy Posted November 7 Posted November 7 3 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: AOC is too entrenched in the establishment. Marianne has a real "I told you so" narrative to work with. So even AOC doesn't pass y'all's 'purity test'. It's never gonna be about the candidate, is it? Unless the candidate ticks every box, y'all will sink them. Good luck with that strategy. 1 1
GraceRandolph Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Just now, superglowy said: So even AOC doesn't pass y'all's 'purity test'. It's never gonna be about the candidate, is it? Unless the candidate ticks every box, y'all will sink them. Good luck with that strategy. I'd vote for AOC but I think Marianne is much stronger
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