news 2024 US Election Megathread 🇺🇸🏛️

[anti-bitch]

3 minutes ago, Relampago. said:

When this just accelerates NY into battleground state status 

 

I refuse to believe that many New Yorkers are Republican suddenly. Maybe some just didn't vote because they felt like it didn't matter in a (previously) deep blue state.

[Armani?]

19 minutes ago, GhostBox said:

The media and everyone saying the economy is the reason why republicans won is laughable. As soon as Trump is inaugurated these same voters will say the economy is brilliant. Literally the same day. 

Republicans yeah, but median voters idk. The prices aren't going to come down lol. The opposite by the end of his term if he actually does the tarriff thing.

[GraceRandolph]

11 minutes ago, Beyonnaise said:

 

Blue MAGA is just so unserious. Trump won a TRIFECTA FOR THE SECOND TIME  What's not clicking? Biden has had legislative accomplishments but none of this matters if you can't sell your wins with effective surrogates that sound like real people and not condescending elitists.

Yep no one bought Biden as a good POTUS. EVER. Kamala's best bet would've been distancing herself from Biden IMMEDIATELY. 

[Cruel Summer]

3 minutes ago, Bloo said:

This is separate from the election analyses happening here. But, free college education is a culturally good thing. I'd happily let my taxes fund someone getting a college degree and go on to work at Starbucks for whatever reason. Why? It's a good thing for people to share space with others from different parts of the country and world. College is a unique opportunity for that. Having to organize a study group with people from another part of the world and complain about how difficult integrals are? That's a positive experience and research has shown it improves people's racist and bigoted tendencies. 
 

College is a great opportunity for young adults to grow, become more mindful, and also make lifelong friendships. Free college would be good for our society. 
 

But, you cannot shame non-college educated voters for "being too dumb to not know the correct way to vote" and then oppose making college free. Education is becoming more of an elitist institution where only people that score super well on exams or people from rich backgrounds can afford to go. I have my PhD; I'm in the process of applying to be a professor, but there are legitimate criticisms of academia and how it's become less oriented to working class people and we need to improve that.  

I completely agree and I think this needs to be a core part of Democratic Party policy immediately. I'm deeply, deeply concerned that the coming administration will quickly do decades' worth of damage to higher education and access to that education, and I worry that it will further deepen voting issues like this as we further strip away working class's opportunity to even understand what they're voting on.

[GraceRandolph]

3 minutes ago, FameFatale said:

Everyone blaming each other for everything that went wrong when we honestly have a major misinformation problem that's only getting worse. 

I heard two men talking about a PA call for Harris at the bottom of some screen a week ago that they thought was evidence of Dems rigging the election. This is very true. 

[Capris Groove]

5 minutes ago, Virgos Groove said:

This is how I feel about the morons saying "She ran a perfect campaign, but she lost".

 

The whole point of a campaign is to win or, at the very least, increase your percentage. If you lose 15M votes, you ran a terrible campaign. Objectively.

 

Electoral campaigns are not about who makes the best Brat memes or who can put on the best Gaga concert. It's about winning.

 

Saying otherwise is like a doctor going "Why yes, I've performed a fantastic surgery. Yeah, the patient's dead, but look at that stitching around the heart! Perfection! "

Well said. I will give it to her that she had less than 4 months and the odds were utterly stacked against her. 

[Relampago.]

The way I still see so many anecdotes from Latino/Asian/Young voters constantly saying that the Democrats trying to scare votes out of them isn't working anymore, only for their explanations to be met with: "Well, you voted against your best interest so now you get what you deserve!"

 

Like mama… Do y'all ever learn?
 

 

 

No wonder these groups of voters hate y'all now. You say you care about them, but once they turn on you, you basically say: "Oh wow! Hope you suffer and die!" How is that helping our case?

 

[Cruel Summer]

It's not even just a voting issue - like, the Republican platform for the next administration will honestly make it harder for everyday Americans to even understand core functions of their government and what their government is doing to them and their lives. The second Trump administration will be a nightmare for many people for many reasons, but I think the most insidious aspect is going to be the finalization of a full-blown education crisis. This goes hand-in-hand with the growing disinformation crisis and existential risks of GenAI.

[WildAmerican]

2 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said:

Yep no one bought Biden as a good POTUS. EVER. Kamala's best bet would've been distancing herself from Biden IMMEDIATELY. 

she obvs had a deal where she couldn't criticize him. The View comment of her saying that she wouldn't have done anything differently is probably is a seminal moment that killed her

[Tovitov]

Just now, Virgos Groove said:

This is how I feel about the morons saying "She ran a perfect campaign, but she lost".

 

The whole point of a campaign is to win or, at the very least, increase your percentage. If you lose 15M votes, you ran a terrible campaign. Objectively.

 

Electoral campaigns are not about who makes the best Brat memes or who can put on the best Gaga concert. It's about winning.

 

Saying otherwise is like a doctor going "Why yes, I've performed a fantastic surgery. Yeah, the patient's dead, but look at that stitching around the heart! Perfection! "

"Objectively terrible" is a harsh take away given the headwinds Harris faced. I don't think she ran a perfect campaign, but if the intention was to try and salvage the down ballot races like some had speculated back in August, she did just that.  

[Bloo]

Just now, Cruel Summer said:

I completely agree and I think this needs to be a core part of Democratic Party policy immediately. I'm deeply, deeply concerned that the coming administration will quickly do decades' worth of damage to higher education and access to that education, and I worry that it will further deepen voting issues like this as we further strip away working class's opportunity to even understand what they're voting on.

Yep. I agree. I also think if they go this direction, Democrats will need to be okay saying that college is not everyone’s path and we need to make viable options for people that don’t pursue college. I’m a Millenial. I remember very vividly being told as a CHILD that I needed to go to college or I’d live in poverty. Our entire generation was told this. It was so bad that I remember being in high school and judging classmates for not trying to go to college. While college is one of the fondest times of my life and I love being on a college campus, it’s not for everyone and we need to dignify that. Let’s make college free and also community colleges with vocational programs free as well so workers have options to get the skills needed to succeed economically.

 

This can curb the “coastal elite” stereotype that afflicts Democrats often (and usually because they obsess over dumb things like celebrity endorsements).

[GraceRandolph]

Just now, WildAmerican said:

she obvs had a deal where she couldn't criticize him. The View comment of her saying that she wouldn't have done anything differently is probably is a seminal moment that killed her

Then Dems needed to run someone unencumbered by the Biden admin 

[anti-bitch]

5 minutes ago, FameFatale said:

Everyone blaming each other for everything that went wrong when we honestly have a major misinformation problem that's only getting worse. 

That when CBS said they would not fact-check during the VP debate, that was horrible... Nobody cares about truth anymore, ugh. And now we have AI contents and spambots taking over. I can't, I just can't.

 

[Tovitov]

Just now, WildAmerican said:

she obvs had a deal where she couldn't criticize him. The View comment of her saying that she wouldn't have done anything differently is probably is a seminal moment that killed her

Honestly, yeah. 

 

It would have been hard sell for a sitting VP to throw her boss under the bus, but it was truly the only way to win this year. 

[Tovitov]

7 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said:

Then Dems needed to run someone unencumbered by the Biden admin 

In a perfect world, Biden would have announced after the 2022 midterms he wasn't running again and let a primary happen.

 

In some way, I think democrats doing shockingly well that year probably convinced Biden he had a chance for winning re-election. 

Edited November 7 by Tovitov

[GraceRandolph]

1 minute ago, Tovitov said:

Honestly, yeah. 

 

It would have been hard sell for a sitting VP to throw her boss under the bus, but it was truly the only way to win this year. 

Not when her boss is the most unpopular POTUS in modern history 

[Gesamtkunstwerk]

27 minutes ago, nadiamendell said:

 

They have to face that their politics and demeanor do not appeal to working class people, because if it did, they would've voted for the Democrats instead of sitting at home or voting for their opponents 

 

 

[Gesamtkunstwerk]

Dp 

 

 

Edited November 7 by Gesamtkunstwerk

[Thuggin]

35 minutes ago, GhostBox said:

I mean alot of Biden's achievements were things that benefited the white working class more than anyone. 
 

the Democrat party when in power gets things done for these voters but never get the credit for doing so. 
 

the whole teamsters situation is a perfect example of this. 
 

 

I don't disagree. But what's the solution: just don't do things that help people?

 

People may not want to hear it, but Bernie's theory of the case: simple, universal things like "Medicare For All" and "free public college" just resonate better, are more mobilizing, and are more unifying than wonky, complicated, academically crafted, means tested proposals like "$10k student debt relief for Pell Grant recipient graduates of HBCUs". The marginal improvements that only benefit certain groups just end up creating inter-group resentment, and if they're not absolutely life changing then the groups that do benefit might not even care that much either.

 

And yes I realize Biden won the primary and election running on incremental measures I just described, but I honestly think he won in spite of that, not because of it. People voted for Biden because they feared Trump, not because of Biden's promises on infrastructure or anything like that. People like that Biden recognizes climate change is real, but they get a lot more nervous when they're told what we can do to our economy to counter it, especially if they don't see immediate results. Broader, more ambitious, more universal measures do come with the risk of intense backlash, but incremental, more targeted approaches are just not electorally rewarding unfortunately.

 

I wish that weren't true and people saw their higher wages and saved pensions and fixed roads and bridges and well funded schools and traced it back to Democratic policy, but somewhere along the way that messaging is not reaching voters. Whereas with Trump and Republicans, they promise to cut everyone's taxes, they accomplish that, and people have more money in their pockets and directly trace it back to Trump. Trump gives everyone stimulus checks, he signs his name on them, and they directly thank Trump.

 

I also worry that marginalized groups are going to just become more and more the scapegoat as people become more dissatisfied with their lives, don't believe Democrats are helping them, and turn more and more on the groups whose civil liberties Democrats are championing when Republicans continue to blame us as if our rights are at the expense of their economic situation.

[ClashAndBurn]

33 minutes ago, Tovitov said:

"Objectively terrible" is a harsh take away given the headwinds Harris faced. I don't think she ran a perfect campaign, but if the intention was to try and salvage the down ballot races like some had speculated back in August, she did just that.  

No. Everything about her was objectively terrible. As a candidate. As a person. And even as a steward of the Democratic Party establishment.

 

She earned her loss. Democrats deserve this loss even more than they did in 2016. They deserve have the loss of Obamacare and national abortion rights be dropped squarely on their shoulders. 
 

This is Hillary's fault.

This is Biden's fault.

And more importantly, this is Harris's fault.

 

There is no coming back from this.

Edited November 7 by ClashAndBurn

[Tovitov]

2 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

No. Everything about her was objectively terrible. As a candidate. As a person. And even as a steward of the Democratic Party establishment.

 

She earned her loss. Democrats deserve this loss even more than they did in 2026. They deserve have the loss of Obamacare and national abortion rights be dropped squarely on their shoulders. 
 

This is Hillary's fault.

This is Biden's fault.

And more importantly, this is Harris's fault.

 

There is no coming back from this.

You are such a grump 

[superglowy]

1 minute ago, ClashAndBurn said:

No. Everything about her was objectively terrible. As a candidate. As a person. And even as a steward of the Democratic Party establishment.

 

She earned her loss. Democrats deserve this loss even more than they did in 2026. They deserve have the loss of Obamacare and national abortion rights be dropped squarely on their shoulders. 
 

This is Hillary's fault.

This is Biden's fault.

And more importantly, this is Harris's fault.

 

There is no coming back from this.

No. The people that are going to vote to get rid of Obamacare and National abortion rights are to blame.

 

You can't state both parties are the same but decide the person that could stop an attack but didn't is just the same as the person doing the attacking,

[ClashAndBurn]

2 minutes ago, Thuggin said:

I don't disagree. But what's the solution: just don't do things that help people?

 

People may not want to hear it, but Bernie's theory of the case: simple, universal things like "Medicare For All" and "free public college" just resonate better, are more mobilizing, and are more unifying than wonky, complicated, academically crafted, means tested proposals like "$10k student debt relief for graduates of HBCUs". The marginal improvements that only benefit certain groups just end up creating inter-group resentment, and if they're not absolutely life changing then the groups that do benefit might not even care that much either.

 

And yes I realize Biden won the primary and election running on incremental measures I just described, but I honestly think he won in spite of that, not because of it. People voted for Biden because they feared Trump, not because of Biden's promises on infrastructure or anything like that. People like that Biden recognizes climate change is real, but they get a lot more nervous when they're told what we can do to our economy to counter it, especially if they don't see immediate results. Broader, more ambitious, more universal measures do come with the risk of intense backlash, but incremental approaches are just not electorally rewarding unfortunately.

 

I wish that weren't true and people saw their higher wages and saved pensions and fixed roads and bridges and well funded schools and traced it back to Democratic policy, but somewhere along the way that messaging is not reaching voters. Whereas with Trump and Republicans, they promise to cut everyone's taxes, they accomplish that, and people have more money in their pockets and directly trace it back to Trump. Trump gives everyone stimulus checks, he signs his name on them, and they directly thank Trump.

 

I also worry that marginalized groups are going to just become more and more the scapegoat as people become more dissatisfied with their lives, don't believe Democrats are helping them, and turn more and more on the groups whose civil liberties Democrats are championing when Republicans continue to blame us as if our rights are at the expense of their economic situation.

Yeah, what's going to happen is Democrats are going to run away from the policies that lost them the Bernie coalition. We are going to have the most anti-union duopoly the country has ever seen this far.

[GraceRandolph]

Yall made fun of me for being a Marianne stan, but could she honestly have done any worse than this?

[Tovitov]

Just now, GraceRandolph said:

Yall made fun of me for being a Marianne stan, but could she honestly have done any worse than this?

Yes