anti-bitch Posted November 7 Posted November 7 What's the projection for the House majority? Can Dems still win it?
Pikachoo Posted November 7 Posted November 7 12 minutes ago, GhostBox said: i love good news LOVE good news I just love good news 7
K.O Posted November 7 Posted November 7 2 minutes ago, Communion said: He is literally just a Republican Literally one of the worst, most conservative Democrats there is. Stop uplifting these people. I'm not trying to uplift him, he's the only Maine democrat that I'm aware of. I noticed that you're from NJ (so am I). Next year, New Jersey citizens will be heading to the polls to pick the next governor. do you know who's the current front runner to win the democratic nomination? I still have to do my due diligence and research the candidates that are running.
Virgos Groove Posted November 7 Posted November 7 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Beyonnaise said: Ezra makes a good point that liberals were devastated in 2004 after Bush won reelection and thought the answer was to run a tough macho white guy from Montana, and never would have thought a black anti-Iraq freshman senator with the middle name Hussein could win the Rust Belt. The answer of who the Dems should run next to win back the working class is not immediately identifiable. That's why the existing structure needs to be dismantled immediately. New faces. No more seniority bullsh*t of the same establishment fossils that have ran the party since the 90s. Absolutely. If they keep pushing these neoliberal geriatrics, the next election will be 1984 levels of disastrous for them. And as much as some people are in denial, this election was, to a lesser degree, also a rejection of Biden's foreign policy and the Clinton doctrine in general. I'm not saying Trump's is good or anything - he's expected to hire the very worst of the neocons -, but Biden consistently prioritizing Ukraine while millions of Americans suffered under inflation did him in too. It made him look puny and disinterested. "Sorry folks, but this is Putin's tax!!" The average American doesn't give two fucks about NATO regional influence or "securing Ukrainian democracy". Hell, I dare say the average non-Nordic and non-Eastern European doesn't give a **** either. Biden giving carte blanche to Israel only made him look more hypocritical. Edited November 7 by Virgos Groove 5
Pikachoo Posted November 7 Posted November 7 2 minutes ago, anti-***** said: What's the projection for the House majority? Can Dems still win it? decisiondesk has their odds at 14% but even if republicans do win majority, it'll be a super slim majority. republicans had a much much bigger majority in 2017 and were so incompetent. but now in 2026 we get to say "republicans had the house, the senate and the presidency and everything is still ****". 4
DevilsRollTheDice Posted November 7 Posted November 7 7 minutes ago, Communion said: The way this is somehow magically always the conclusion that centrists come to no matter the topic. Okay, interpret the data for me then as you always know everything. We have record turnout in the battle ground states despite the total anomaly of 2020 being the highest turnout in history due to mail-in voting. In several of these states, Harris would've won in 2020 with her vote counts. The premise that she lost because of an apathetic electorate who would only come out for a far left/communist candidate needs evidence that the electorate did not turn out for this. It will have the most votes of any non-pandemic election ever. The battle ground states will match or exceed that inflated turnout. What am I missing, enlightened one?
GhostBox Posted November 7 Posted November 7 (edited) 34 minutes ago, woohoo said: Oh girl as soon as gas prices go up and in the weeks after his tariffs go into effect I'm gonna be perched on my small town Facebook feed to watch the whining and crying. If anything positive came from this, it's gonna be watching all these people see the fruits of the seed they planted come to harvest. Eat up mother *******s The way I'm gonna order "I did that" trump stickers to put on the gas pumps if gas stays high 💃🏽💃🏽 Edited November 7 by GhostBox 8
Lil Mistee Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Jon Stewart should run… but he should run as a republicant and then win and then progressive lib out when actually in office Spoiler
Happylittlepunk Posted November 7 Posted November 7 I think it's safe too say democrats and anyone leaning progressive needs to do some serious soul searching the next 4 years. Democratic party clearly needs a major re-branding. Women and lgbtq needs straight men on there side. Ignoring there issues and treating it like it's not important clearly doesn't work. Democrates need to change the political language they use towards not just straight men but also women. Since clearly a big chunk of suburban women voted for trump too. The foreign policy has been a disaster, economics has been terrible for the average American. Democrates need to do more than just be anti-trump.
Kylizzle Posted November 7 Posted November 7 So who failed worse between Kamala and Hillary? i'm gonna go with Kamala because she lost the popular vote.
woohoo Posted November 7 Posted November 7 8 minutes ago, GhostBox said: The way I'm gonna order "I did that" trump stickers to put on the gas pumps of gas stays high 💃🏽💃🏽 Oh this is genius
Lil Mistee Posted November 7 Posted November 7 But seriously am I crazy to think Jon Stewart could have 2008 Obama esque results. 1 1 1
Pikachoo Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Just now, Kylizzle said: So who failed worse between Kamala and Hillary? i'm gonna go with Kamala because she lost the popular vote. I mean, Kamala got more votes than Hilary did. and she actually got more votes than Biden did in PA and WI. she also had 2 months to run a campaign. I think she did the best she could with the situation she was put in. 6
anti-bitch Posted November 7 Posted November 7 5 minutes ago, Virgos Groove said: Absolutely. If they keep pushing these neoliberal geriatrics, the next election will be 1984 levels of disastrous for them. And as much as some people are in denial, this election was, to a lesser degree, also a rejection of Biden's foreign policy and the Clinton doctrine in general. I'm not saying Trump's is good or anything - he's expected to hire the very worst of the neocons -, but Biden consistently prioritizing Ukraine while millions of Americans suffered under inflation did him in too. It made him look puny and disinterested. "Sorry folks, but this is Putin's tax!!" The average American doesn't give two fucks about NATO regional influence or "securing Ukrainian democracy". Hell, I dare say the average non-Nordic and non-Eastern European doesn't give a **** either. Biden giving carte blanche to Israel only made him look more hypocritical. It would be right to say that the US military industrial complex profits from the wars happening, but even if you added up all the money sent to Ukraine in recent years that would still be a drop in the bucket of the annual US government budget. So it's not really true to suggest the average American suffers because of that. And all the hysterics in 2022 about the aid to Ukraine causing a direct conflict between US and Russia have proven to be not true.
FameFatale Posted November 7 Posted November 7 8 minutes ago, GhostBox said: The way I'm gonna order "I did that" trump stickers to put on the gas pumps of gas stays high 💃🏽💃🏽 Need some FDT shirts while you're at it and be as obnoxious as they were these past 4 years. 1
Pikachoo Posted November 7 Posted November 7 10 minutes ago, GhostBox said: The way I'm gonna order "I did that" trump stickers to put on the gas pumps of gas stays high 💃🏽💃🏽 I might do that as well when conservative inevitably win here in Canada.
Chemist Posted November 7 Posted November 7 4 hours ago, Shou7 said: I'm gonna be more cynical and say there is no path forward from this result. Some people here say it's a messaging problem, and I mean sure, that probably was the biggest issue at some point. But now it's compounded and snowballed into a whole new monster. I think it's become a narrative problem. Trump voters have formed their own distorted narratives based on the little bits of misinformation they were spoonfed, and that has now become the basis of their entire worldview. Some here call for more effective messaging, but what message could you even give that would convince these people to rethink the way they perceive reality? They've seen the empty seats, they've seen him flounder at rallies, they've left early, and yet they still voted for him. There's so much cognitive dissonance and mental gymnastics, it's impossible to get through to them. Trumpism has become a religion. No amount of facts is going to persuade a devout Christian that walking on water is impossible, and no amount of logic or good policy is going to convince a Trump believer to vote democrat. At this point, I think the unfortunate reality is that things do have to get much worse before they can get better. There's not going to be any progress until Trump believers as a whole are made to reckon with the consequences of their actions(i.e., a complete collapse under a fully Republican administration), let go of the narrative of Trumpism, and flock to a new (preferably democratic and much less disastrous) figurehead. I completely agree with you!. The issue runs much deeper than simply deciding which policy would be best for the next dem candidate. Dems need to find a way to break Trump's support. The current Democratic coalition is unlikely to win elections again. Neoliberalism and centrism have been thoroughly rejected by voters, so they should not be considered moving forward (knowing how dems brains work, it will most likely be). The idea of a left-leaning outsider could either be a viable solution or a complete disaster, but it's worth exploring!
Kylizzle Posted November 7 Posted November 7 4 minutes ago, Pikachoo said: I mean, Kamala got more votes than Hilary did. and she actually got more votes than Biden did in PA and WI. she also had 2 months to run a campaign. I think she did the best she could with the situation she was put in. She also depressed Democratic vote by like 14M nationwide. The GP said no.
dman4life Posted November 7 Posted November 7 4 minutes ago, Kylizzle said: So who failed worse between Kamala and Hillary? i'm gonna go with Kamala because she lost the popular vote. I say Hillary since she had the standard 2 years for her campaign. Not tryna grade Kamala on a curve but the reality is she only had a fraction of the time and had to defend an unpopular administration. Like I said before she could've made some changes to get a few more votes here or there but in hindsight she unfortunately never had a shot. 4
Virgos Groove Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Just now, anti-***** said: It would be right to say that the US military industrial complex profits from the wars happening, but even if you added up all the money sent to Ukraine in recent years that would still be a drop in the bucket of the annual US government budget. So it's not really true to suggest the average American suffers because of that. And all the hysterics in 2022 about the aid to Ukraine causing a direct conflict between US and Russia have proven to be not true. That's not the point. It's about optics. You can't punish your populace with austerity and then give billions to a country most Americans couldn't point on a map. When your people are dealing with rising cost of living prices, your main priority shouldn't appear to be another country. It's why Trump, despite helping foster the Ukraine crisis to begin with by pulling out of important arms treaties (something that never gets acknowledged), was able to use Ukraine to his advantage. Trump saying "If it were me, it'd be over in 5 minutes. I'm the master negotiator. Zelensky is ripping us off." is complete bullshit, but at least acknowledges there is a problem people are facing. Meanwhile, Dems telling people "Sit down and shut up. It's not even that much money. Plus they deserve it more than you, you ******* dummy" isn't exactly an appealing slogan to the average American. 2
Communion Posted November 7 Posted November 7 16 minutes ago, DevilsRollTheDice said: Okay, interpret the data for me then as you always know everything. We have record turnout in the battle ground states The evidence thus far would point to the opposite, that urban turnout in key places like Philly, Detroit, and Milwaukee is exactly what led us to this moment. It shows the issue that centrists don't understand political culture. They don't get people have voting patterns and political subcultures and so they think all voters could be flipped to any other so let's keep pursuing anti-Trump Republicans. "Turnout is unchanged in the state so we don't need progressivism" is silly of a take if that turnout figure is only unchanged cause rural surges were swapped from urban dips. The electorate is literally whiter and richer based on exit polls and you're arguing key Dem groups didn't stay home?
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