anti-bitch Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Love how there's now more people saying that, ok, maybe we should have chosen Bernie Sanders after all. I know Joe Biden did what had to be done in 2020, but you could argue that because of Covid people were afraid they were gonna die, so basically anyone decent could have defeated Trump then.
Chiidish Posted November 7 Posted November 7 1 minute ago, dabunique said: not dem shooting people here in Miami for voting for Trump lol HUH Spoiler Kind of real. Maybe liberals and the left won't roll over and just take it after all. S/N: I am also in Miami. I need to learn how to shoot a gun because ain't no one on our side right now 1
on the line Posted November 7 Posted November 7 27 minutes ago, Adrian14 said: Bernie Sanders was a better choice than Kamala I mean, yeah, duh, but why are we dwelling on this when we never had a chance to have our voices heard on this? It was always going to be Biden or whoever his VP pick was for this election. Maybe this is just part of the grieving and coping, but I'm a little confused by all the Bernie posts in the last 24 hours particularly when he's older than Biden is and half these people trashed Biden over his age (along with his mental decline).
Armani? Posted November 7 Posted November 7 9 hours ago, GhostBox said: Yea that wouldn't bring in older black voters which are crucial for a win too . 💀 thats one big reason Bernie lost both times 🤷 9 hours ago, Relampago. said: We need to start building new coalitions because listening to Obama democrats is not a lasting strategy clearly. Republicans moved on from the party of Reagan, to the party of Trump and it worked beautifully. Democrats cannot stick with trying to be the party of Obama anymore, they need to adapt or die, and that might mean shaving off some support of people who are not going to be dependable voters for the next two decades. Some other strategy has to be tested. Going after young people and Latinos is what Bernie excelled at, and ironically these are the two places where Harris is suffering the most. That's not a coincidence, and given that these are two of the most important voting blocs as Boomers begin to die off, it's not great that Democrats are just letting their support with these voters fly away. Bernie didn't get much because he didn't really try to appeal to older Black voters, also Biden was Obama's vp so it was a very pragmatic/calculated choice. Anyways, in a general election Older Black voters aren't going to vote Trump because Bernie is the nominee They hate Trump
GraceRandolph Posted November 7 Posted November 7 1 hour ago, WildAmerican said: i just hope that in 2028, a dem candidate comes out of nowhere and gags us like Obama or Trump. No more milquetoast moderates, we need real change!! Marianne is right there
Thesedays Posted November 7 Posted November 7 3 minutes ago, Zack said: Your use of the phrase "democratically elected" as an attempt to differentiate indicates a lack of understanding. Liz Truss became PM via established democratic conventions, which have been in place for a long (long) time. I understand perfectly Liz Truss was democratically elected, I am not putting this into question. I am saying the fact she wasn't directly chosen by voters, as opposed to Keir, obviously affects her popularity from the get go. The British public did not have a direct choice in her election thus her immediate unpopularity isn't surprising. Unclear if that was really that difficult to figure out or if you are a bit slow. 1
on the line Posted November 7 Posted November 7 27 minutes ago, Chiidish said: Are we possibly gonna lose the house too? I've been trying to find some analysis on this and haven't found anything worthwhile, but face value it appears so.
FameFatale Posted November 7 Posted November 7 I got some good sleep last night. I think I was just exhausted from staying up the night before and my brain would not shut off. I feel a bit better this morning. I have to keep the motto that I did my part regardless of the outcome. 1
dman4life Posted November 7 Posted November 7 Unpopular opinion here but if there isn't some huge Democratic breakout star within the next 4 years I'm actually here for Kamala running again in the primaries, not saying she'll win ofc but she has name recognition now and a national profile. She can pull a Trump and do a "I told you so" over the course of the next 4 years every time he rolls out a disastrous policy. She gained a following and shouldn't let it go to waste now. Ok y'all can drag me now 1 1
FameFatale Posted November 7 Posted November 7 And don't get me started on all the boutiques and women buying up the Trump "Daddy's Home" shirts. GAG! 1
Bamboo Posted November 7 Posted November 7 I am so eager to hear more analysis about this. People must just really hate Biden. Good news for Dems as a whole that their party can be salvaged at least. 1
Mordecai Posted November 7 Posted November 7 1 minute ago, dman4life said: Unpopular opinion here but if there isn't some huge Democratic breakout star within the next 4 years I'm actually here for Kamala running again in the primaries, not saying she'll win ofc but she has name recognition now and a national profile. She can pull a Trump and do a "I told you so" over the course of the next 4 years every time he rolls out a disastrous policy. She gained a following and shouldn't let it go to waste now. Ok y'all can drag me now I don't see why not. She'll be able to run on her own terms instead of being shackled to and dragged down by Biden like this election. Maybe it's just because I'm reading her book at the moment but she does have good ideas, I suppose she abandoned them while she was in office because I've seen her record be regarded as quite progressive even though she's been labelled a centrist? Correct me if I'm wrong
Cheers Posted November 7 Posted November 7 14 minutes ago, dabunique said: also my mom is like help me write a letter to Trump to get these cubans deported they only come here and take our benefits without even working and then wanna scream socialism when someone else asks for help they r gettin How can I help? 1
anti-bitch Posted November 7 Posted November 7 4 minutes ago, dman4life said: Unpopular opinion here but if there isn't some huge Democratic breakout star within the next 4 years I'm actually here for Kamala running again in the primaries, not saying she'll win ofc but she has name recognition now and a national profile. She can pull a Trump and do a "I told you so" over the course of the next 4 years every time he rolls out a disastrous policy. She gained a following and shouldn't let it go to waste now. Ok y'all can drag me now If we need a Black woman, if she's up for it? What about Michelle Obama?
WildAmerican Posted November 7 Posted November 7 6 minutes ago, dman4life said: Unpopular opinion here but if there isn't some huge Democratic breakout star within the next 4 years I'm actually here for Kamala running again in the primaries, not saying she'll win ofc but she has name recognition now and a national profile. She can pull a Trump and do a "I told you so" over the course of the next 4 years every time he rolls out a disastrous policy. She gained a following and shouldn't let it go to waste now. Ok y'all can drag me now when she goes on a "community listening tour" in Iowa and New Hampshire after writing a book about the election
Armani? Posted November 7 Posted November 7 40 minutes ago, Chiidish said: Are we possibly gonna lose the house too? Yes, it's lean Trump Will take a while before we know the actual result though
storminthedark Posted November 7 Posted November 7 1 hour ago, Zack said: Meh, I don't think U.K. Labour is in that much immediate danger of ending up like the Democrats (for now). It's clear they are just dumping out all the "tough" policies early on, then they'll roll out the more popular policies mid-to-late term. They still have almost 5 years to sway back public opinion in that time. With their comfortable majority, the only way they are getting out early is if Sir Keir is foolish enough to call a snap election (and with a huge majority there is zero reason) or if the opposition tried to go down the no confidence route. As for Badenoch, she should be more worried about her terrible shadow cabinet in the medium-term. There's little she can do right now to disrupt what Labour wants in the U.K. Parliament, since the huge losses of her party's seats. Reform is still just a noisy fringe party (for now), but Farage's influence/friendship with Trump will help that party gain more steam. Post-inauguration, the U.K. will clearly struggle with U.S. relations under Trump though, because Sir Keir openly aligned his party with the Democrats and the Trump administration is well aware of this. So closer E.U. cooperation/trade *is* a good idea on paper, but difficult to seriously achieve without re-joining the EEA/E.U. single market rules coming into the equation, which is another can of worms in of itself. The main issue with Reform is the possibility for growth, they're a fringe party for now only as a consequence of the FPTP system. Farage has already said he'll take on the mantle of bridging the gap between Starmer and Trump, when that isn't his role in Parliament. David Lammy has outwardly expressed he views Trump as a dangerous white supremacist (whether he backtracks to save face is a different story) so that position is ripe for the taking. I genuinely think they're a major threat to British democracy that need to be addressed rather than waiting around for the next few years until the election.
LegaMyth Posted November 7 Posted November 7 (edited) Numbers by Race & Gender *White Men: -59% Trump / 39% Harris *White Women: -52% Trump / 47% Harris *Black Men: -70% Harris / 20% Trump *Black Women: -92% Harris / 7% Trump *Latino Men: -54% Trump / 44% Harris *Latina Women: -61% Harris / 37% Trump White women and Latino men have officially told us how they feel. Edited November 7 by LegaMyth
Mike91 Posted November 7 Posted November 7 At this point, I'm hoping Trump just destroys the country. 4
Armani? Posted November 7 Posted November 7 4 minutes ago, LegaMyth said: Numbers by Race & Gender *White Men: -59% Trump / 39% Harris *White Women: -52% Trump / 47% Harris *Black Men: -70% Harris / 20% Trump *Black Women: -92% Harris / 7% Trump *Latino Men: -54% Trump / 44% Harris *Latina Women: -61% Harris / 37% Trump White women and Latino men have officially told us how they feel. The exit poll is updated, Trump gained +1 with everyone since this which is probably a bad sign of where the popular vote will end
Tovitov Posted November 7 Posted November 7 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Bamboo said: I am so eager to hear more analysis about this. People must just really hate Biden. Good news for Dems as a whole that their party can be salvaged at least. The way I went to bed on the 5th thinking all was lost, went to work the next morning, went on break and checked my phone to see that Slotkin and Baldwin had survived. I almost cried, probably would have had I been home Edited November 7 by Tovitov
Bears01 Posted November 7 Posted November 7 21 minutes ago, anti-***** said: Love how there's now more people saying that, ok, maybe we should have chosen Bernie Sanders after all. I know Joe Biden did what had to be done in 2020, but you could argue that because of Covid people were afraid they were gonna die, so basically anyone decent could have defeated Trump then. Biden to his credit, actually courted progressives and gave them a seat at the table. His domestic policies for a while actually gave them wins too, before he decided after the midterms to break the rail strike. Kamala offered them nothing. She flip flopped, stood for nothing, and the results among young voters and Latinos show it
Redstreak Posted November 7 Posted November 7 15 minutes ago, dman4life said: Unpopular opinion here but if there isn't some huge Democratic breakout star within the next 4 years I'm actually here for Kamala running again in the primaries, not saying she'll win ofc but she has name recognition now and a national profile. She can pull a Trump and do a "I told you so" over the course of the next 4 years every time he rolls out a disastrous policy. She gained a following and shouldn't let it go to waste now. Ok y'all can drag me now This was literally the 2020 playbook and now we're here 2
Mike91 Posted November 7 Posted November 7 1 hour ago, Bears01 said: At the end of the day, no matter how people try and spin it; Donald Trump will receive slightly less votes than he did in 2020, and he will win the popular vote by millions. Democrats offered nothing, they offered bipartisanship, republicans having a huge seat at the table, while Trump called people voting against him his enemies….and he will win. Democratically at that, unlike in 2016. That's the story. "It was so easy to vote in 2020 though!" Those people stayed home. Offer nothing, get nothing. If this doesn't kill the status quo, nothing ever will. Then there's no point in even caring, because people have made it loud and clear going back to 2008, they're done with the status quo This is why I hope whoever the anti-establishment candidate is in 2028 is not an incompetent, fringe candidate. The primary could look like the 2016 GOP primary. Establishment will try its hardest to hold on to power but hopefully enough democratic voters will have had enough of them by then. I get why they didn't want to blow things up in 16 or 20 but next time around? Pour the gasoline and light the match. 1 3
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